Carlos Baldomir + Zab Judah were the #1+#2 WW's when floyd beat them

margarito had been on hbo at least 3 times at that point(lewis, hercules, santos) baldomir once(gatti lol). revising history is fun.

the TS would have had a better point if he put PBF's wins against chico & castillo... i think history will judge chico & JLC the better fighters than baldomir & judah...

Was he? I don't think so... Well you think wrong, but you an idiot so what do you know.

Name those 5 top 10 because I can only remember two Kermit and Joshua unless you consider six head lewis,Diaz and the that guy whos name is hercules xcdaseqw3wqdas top 10 then you can count 5 Ring mag top 10 right? And, I am not even counting Clottey because that came after. Is that what I not said? Was Lujan, Cintron, Lewis, Gomez, and Diaz not top 10 in, listen very closely, RING MAGAZINE TOP 10? Judah was 2-2 against, listen very closely, RING MAGAZINE TOP 10. Split victories with Spinks and split with Baldo and Cosme Rivera. Lets not make it seem like Baldo and Rivera were better than Lujan and Diaz and even Lewis.

Margarito at the time was ranked higher than Zab Judah. Was he? I don't think so...

Ok that is fine but marg was ranked higher than Judah at the time, was the longest reigning WW titlist at the time, was 5-0 against Ring Magazine top 10 at the time, Judah was 2-2. And, Judah was coming off a lost. Anyway you spin it Marg deserved it Judah didn't. Marg also had a better WW resume than Baldomir did. And, it was for the same amount of money. You guys acting like if Brain Kenny is the voice of the universe. Name those 5 top 10 because I can only remember two Kermit and Joshua unless you consider six head lewis,Diaz and the that guy whos name is hercules xcdaseqw3wqdas top 10 then you can count 5

YEAH THATS TRUE BUT............................ ESPN 2006 THIS IS HOW IT PLAYED OUT "In his 2006 interview, Kenny harshly criticized Mayweather for fighting a “paper champion” in Zab Judah, instead of more worthy opponents like “Carlos Baldomir” or ”Ricky Hatton”. Well Floyd DID fight both of them in 2006 and 2007. And unless Floyd loses, expect a Pacquiao fight in the next year. You can book it" You guys are simply wrong the thread starter is correct in saying that no one really wanted to see floyd fight the flat footed MARGARITO. And this is coming from ESPN, A VERY WELL KNOWN SPORTS SYNDICATE. In the video Floyd was grilled by BRIAN KENNY for not fighting carlos baldomir, or even ricky hatton, this is what the people wanted.MARGARITO WAS NEVER ONCEMENTIONED BECAUSE AT THE TIME WHILE GOOD, HE WAS BASICALLY.........WELL A NOBODY WITH A MULLET. THE WORLD WANTED THOSE FIGHTS AND JUST AS IT IS NOW, THE WORLD WANTS FLOYD TO LOSE, JUST AS YOU GUYS DO. DURING that time the world wanted judah and baldomir, and picked baldomir to beat him!!!! Hell some of the hbo announcers prior to floyd beating him, stated floyd couldnt deal with baldomir's power. YOU GUYS SHOULDNT ACT LIKE YOU DONT KNOW! heres the link, dont look at it now with hindsight. http://nationalsportsreview.com/sports/us/MODI/2009/05/25/floyd-mayweather-jr-vs-espn%E2%80%99s-brian-kenny-the-loser-is-juan-manuel-marquez/ hell margarito has always been a bum, and now hes a cheating bum. That ruined a very good prospect in MIGUEL COTTO. MAYWEATHER WILL BEAT THE HELL OUTTA HIM NOW AND WOULD HAVE THEN. WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IS SAYING " WELL HE FOUGHT BALDOMIR" HELL pacquiao hasnt fought the top three welters at welterweight, and if you count him as number one, he didnt fight shane, he didnt fight mayweather and he fought thE damaged cotto that even FREDDY ROACH stated was done. THESE ARE FACTS, YOU GUYS WANT FLOYD TO LOSE, AFTER HE WHOOPED MOSLEYS ASS, THE VERY DAMN NEXT DAY PEOPLE WAS SAYING IF HE DOESNT FIGHT PACMAN HE SHOUDL MOVE UP. Or that he was scared of PAUL WILLIAMS ETC. SIMPLY PUT WHEN HE WINS YOU GUYS FIND SOMEONE ELSE TO SAY HES AFRAID OF. OF COURSE MEXICAN FANS WANTED HIM TO FIGHT "MARGARITAVILLE" BUT THE BOXING WORLD AT THAT TIME WASNT CLAMORING FOR THAT FIGHT JUST LIKE THEY AINT TODAY. MAYBE YOU GUYS WANTED HIM TO FIGHT MARGARITO, BUT AS YOU SO ELOQUENTLY STATED IN ONE OF YOUR EARLIER POST TO THIS EFFECT, ITS ABOUT WHATS RELEVANT, AND AT THE TIME MARGARITO WASNT RELEVANT, FLOYD TOLD HIM, "I AM NOT AFRAID OF YOU, JUST KEEP WINNING, WELL HE (MARGARITO) DIDNT KEEP WINNING DID HE? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIXwH8UVEcs WATCH THE VIDEO, MARGARITO WASNT A GOOD DRAW, FLOYD SAID KEEP WINNING YOU WILL GET YOUR SHOT, THE IDIOT COULDNT KEEP WINNING AS MOSLEY PROVED. Ok that is fine but marg was ranked higher than Judah at the time, was the longest reigning WW titlist at the time, was 5-0 against Ring Magazine top 10 at the time, Judah was 2-2. And, Judah was coming off a lost. Anyway you spin it Marg deserved it Judah didn't. Marg also had a better WW resume than Baldomir did. And, it was for the same amount of money. You guys acting like if Brain Kenny is the voice of the universe.

Margarito at the time was ranked higher than Zab Judah. YEAH THATS TRUE BUT............................ ESPN 2006 THIS IS HOW IT PLAYED OUT "In his 2006 interview, Kenny harshly criticized Mayweather for fighting a “paper champion” in Zab Judah, instead of more worthy opponents like “Carlos Baldomir” or ”Ricky Hatton”. Well Floyd DID fight both of them in 2006 and 2007. And unless Floyd loses, expect a Pacquiao fight in the next year. You can book it" You guys are simply wrong the thread starter is correct in saying that no one really wanted to see floyd fight the flat footed MARGARITO. And this is coming from ESPN, A VERY WELL KNOWN SPORTS SYNDICATE. In the video Floyd was grilled by BRIAN KENNY for not fighting carlos baldomir, or even ricky hatton, this is what the people wanted.MARGARITO WAS NEVER ONCEMENTIONED BECAUSE AT THE TIME WHILE GOOD, HE WAS BASICALLY.........WELL A NOBODY WITH A MULLET. THE WORLD WANTED THOSE FIGHTS AND JUST AS IT IS NOW, THE WORLD WANTS FLOYD TO LOSE, JUST AS YOU GUYS DO. DURING that time the world wanted judah and baldomir, and picked baldomir to beat him!!!! Hell some of the hbo announcers prior to floyd beating him, stated floyd couldnt deal with baldomir's power. YOU GUYS SHOULDNT ACT LIKE YOU DONT KNOW! heres the link, dont look at it now with hindsight. http://nationalsportsreview.com/sports/us/MODI/2009/05/25/floyd-mayweather-jr-vs-espn%E2%80%99s-brian-kenny-the-loser-is-juan-manuel-marquez/ hell margarito has always been a bum, and now hes a cheating bum. That ruined a very good prospect in MIGUEL COTTO. MAYWEATHER WILL BEAT THE HELL OUTTA HIM NOW AND WOULD HAVE THEN. WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IS SAYING " WELL HE FOUGHT BALDOMIR" HELL pacquiao hasnt fought the top three welters at welterweight, and if you count him as number one, he didnt fight shane, he didnt fight mayweather and he fought thE damaged cotto that even FREDDY ROACH stated was done. THESE ARE FACTS, YOU GUYS WANT FLOYD TO LOSE, AFTER HE WHOOPED MOSLEYS ASS, THE VERY DAMN NEXT DAY PEOPLE WAS SAYING IF HE DOESNT FIGHT PACMAN HE SHOUDL MOVE UP. Or that he was scared of PAUL WILLIAMS ETC. SIMPLY PUT WHEN HE WINS YOU GUYS FIND SOMEONE ELSE TO SAY HES AFRAID OF. OF COURSE MEXICAN FANS WANTED HIM TO FIGHT "MARGARITAVILLE" BUT THE BOXING WORLD AT THAT TIME WASNT CLAMORING FOR THAT FIGHT JUST LIKE THEY AINT TODAY. MAYBE YOU GUYS WANTED HIM TO FIGHT MARGARITO, BUT AS YOU SO ELOQUENTLY STATED IN ONE OF YOUR EARLIER POST TO THIS EFFECT, ITS ABOUT WHATS RELEVANT, AND AT THE TIME MARGARITO WASNT RELEVANT, FLOYD TOLD HIM, "I AM NOT AFRAID OF YOU, JUST KEEP WINNING, WELL HE (MARGARITO) DIDNT KEEP WINNING DID HE? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIXwH8UVEcs WATCH THE VIDEO, MARGARITO WASNT A GOOD DRAW, FLOYD SAID KEEP WINNING YOU WILL GET YOUR SHOT, THE IDIOT COULDNT KEEP WINNING AS MOSLEY PROVED.

These cyclical debates get old and tiresome. At the end of the day if Floyd gets in the ring with Manny...............DOMINATION. That will stop all the debate.

Lol at the title of this thread, and you're trying to justify those were great victories? I could see zab, but baldomir, fugggetttiboutit

Lol, J-Ro completely destroyed this thread. This was a funny thread. I am not never got what rankings the TS was going by.

STFU you stupid ****s and get it through your head that Zab and Carlos were the top Welterweights when Floyd fought them Margarito was rated behind them and had never even been on HBO. Miguel Cotto wasn't even a ****ing welterweight and was just about to pick up a vacant WW title on SHO that was vacated by guess who? Mosley was up at JR Middle at the time, the same year he turned down a Floyd fight because of a tooth ache after Floyd called him out After all this he moves up to 154 to make the richest fight in boxing history, he wins a title against the best 154lber weighing the same as Pacquiao did for his fight at 140. Do you want to hate on him for that as well you dumb ****s? Now Ricky Hatton, for you who started watching boxing in 2009 or did'nt follow Mayweather. Back in the day, Tzyu vs Mayweather was like Mayweather vs Pacquiao, the fans were asking for it. When Hatton beat Tzyu you would always hear Mayweather vs Hatton all over the press. I lost count on how many people were saying that Hatton was the one to beat Mayweather, I even thought Hatton was going to beat him. It was a rich fight and one that a shit load of people were asking for. Hatton was the WBA Welterweight champ the year before and he was bigger than Mayweather, Mayweather always used to come in below 150 for his WW fights while Hatton would re-hydrate 10+ pounds for his 140 fights. He then retires for a year and a half because his hands are so ****ed that some of us are lucky he even still fights. Keep on hating you retards but I was following Mayweather and boxing in general while all this was going on. Some of you who watched boxing back then either know this but are too stupid of a hater, or didnt even care for Mayweather. I know some of you pactards out there started watching boxing in general because of Pacquiao beginning in 2008 or 2009 so STFU about the past that you dont know shit about and look towards the future because on May 2nd Mayweather is going to have the #1 WW and P4P #3 fighter in the world on his winning resume. I agree!!! But, Manny's still banging him out!!!!

Lol, J-Ro completely destroyed this thread.

Remember when you pretended to be 24 about 2 years ago? Interesting to see that you are 22 now. Are you on some Benjamin Button shit? Thank you for sticking to the topic at hand. And no, I don't remember ever lying about my age. I think I've had my age showing the entire time I've been on this site, but... maybe not. I don't think I would have lied about my age. What advantage would I have for being 24 instead of 20? I did think the Benjamin Button reference was fairly funny though. :lol1:

Yeah like when Pac pulled out of the Morales rematch after Raheem embarassed Morales. Right. Wow... you've found another exception. Okay, quick, in history other than Mayweather-Judah, Hopkins-Jones II and Morales-Pacquiao II, what other examples can we come up with? I didn't see De La Hoya fight Terry Norris when he blew it against Keith Mullings. Mike Tyson didn't fight Jorge Luis Gonzalez when he lost to Cliff Couser. There was considerable talk of a third fight between De La Hoya and Mosley until Mosley dropped a pair to Wright. Is your argument that it is not possible to pull out of fights when the fighter loses a tune-up, or is it your argument that it is good career management when a fighter fights a fighter who just lost a tune-up? I see your little hiatus from this site didn't make you any more intelligent Marijuana.

Its funny how quickly people for get. lol

Nobody knew that Zab was going to lose to Baldo.The Zab-Floyd fight already had an HBO date April 8,Venue etc everybody was promoting that fight.and AFAIK he already signed to fight Judah even before the Zab-Baldo bout and to answer your question Cotto,Baldo,Zab,DLH and Hatton would be better And it's unheard of to pull out of a fight because your opponent lost his easy tune-up fight? I'm pretty sure fighting a guy coming off a loss is the exception, not the rule.

Margarito at the time was ranked higher than Zab Judah. Yes he was. And he fought a #1&2 that were there for a very short time, and it had nothing to do with their lost to Floyd, they were just not that good. Zab is good but he will lose to top WW's because he is just too damn small, hell the guy can make 140 now. And Baldomir was never good, he got a huge upset over Zab before that he was ranked 10th in the division. Floyd fought the weakest 1 & 2 and he jumped at the opportunity of course, who wouldn't. But why did he never fight the #2 through #5 ranked fighters of WW when he was champ, all great fighters at the time. Gutless. Cotto did what a real champ does look at his WW resume it makes Floyd look like a joke.

Floyd was in a lose-lose situation during that time.If he chose Margarito over Baldo people would say that he "ducked" the lineal champ and the guy that beat Zab.And AFAIK when the Pwill-Marg happened Floyd already signed to fight hatton.The only time that floyd ducked somebody is when he retired for the 123132324th time after the hatton fight instead of one more fight against Cotto.The other guys Margarito,Shane,Pwill at that time are irrelevant. Or he could just fight both of them? Theres a novel idea.

ESPN: Floyd, fight Baldomir. Dirt Diggler UK: Floyd, is Baldomir better than Margarito? Yes or no? Which will Floyd tend to?!?! Tune in on the next episode ooof......"GTFO" You didnt answer the question.