Its long so I understand if you dont read it but it had to be said. Ill break it into 2 parts with the 2nd part in the 2nd post.
As you know, Im a Floyd fan but I try to be fair. I dont believe this drug testing stuff is about making boxing better or anything. That may be what it turned into but I dont think Floyd really gives a damn about that or atleast not at 1st. I think its just about his fight with Pac but I do think it was genuine & legit. I just dont get 2 things. I dont get how everyone can keep saying why Floyd didnt ask this of other fighters and its clear that he ducked Pac. Here are my reasons why I disagree.
1st I dont really think Pac being on roids was on anyone's mind from fans, to fighters, to media. I think they just took him as a beast. However, you have 2 guys in Senior & Roger who may be iffy characters but theyve been around this boxing game a long time and they truly believe that they saw something about him that wasnt right. They told little Floyd that and he got to thinking. They told us that and we also got to thinking because of the amazing things he is doing and how he is moving up in weight but getting better & stopping bigger guys.
Then we all know the era we live in and how a guy like Canseco exposed roids in MLB and how Track was rampant and so on so it got people to thinking but mostly it got the Mayweathers to thinking. You cant tell me that it wasnt genuine though. You can tell even now that Senior truly either believes it or suspects it. Still, it wasnt any major deal. They just wanted Pac to take a test before the fight. He didnt ask his other 39 opponents because he didnt suspect them of using or none of them were doing amazing things like Pac. None of them were moving up in weight & crushing big good guys. Its that simple. Its that black & white. Whats wrong with that if you think its possible?
Thats why they said that we will take the fight but we just want both guys to do the testing. The whole Pac team said fine and even his fans had no problem at all with it. It was something that no one even thought twice about. They let it be known about the testing before negotiations even started and the Pac camp was totally cool. Thats why Floyd ducking Pac makes no sense. Pac's team was cool from the jump so if Floyd wanted to duck then they couldve been like "oh shit, he didnt fall for it so lets think of some other way to get out of it".
Everyone said the money would be hell so thats the easiest way to duck the fight. Instead Floyd right off the bat said that he will do 50/50. No one saw that coming but yet he didnt want the fight? Pac's team then said that there will be a 10mil penalty if he's overweight and this is a guy who just missed weight but he immediatly said yes. Those were Floyd's 2 outs if he wanted to duck because Pac's team had already accepted the steroid testing. That wasnt even an issue anymore or talked about. So now the deal is very near done. Even Arum flew to the PI to talk to Pac and get him to sign the contract. Remember that?
Do you also remember Floyd wanting the fight in May or June but Pac's team saying that they have to do it in March because of the Elections. Floyd wasnt comfortable with it but he accepted it. Thats a 3rd way he couldve ducked it. However, everything was pretty much done & set in stone. We all saw the reports that everything is basically agreed but they just need to sign. Then out of the blue Arum comes out of nowhere like a raving maniac dissing Floyd, going hard at there whole team, and talking about how the fight is off over the testing. Floyd was probably shocked and like "what do you mean, testing? That wasnt even an issue anymore. The fight is basically done and weve agreed on every major issue. Now out the blue you come back with this like you just got some info from someone telling you not to do it"?
You guys know that is true. Then all of assudden the whole Pac team switched and went on the attack. They knew that all the media & fans would take there side even though they clearly agreed, said they would do any test, and it would be no problem. They know about the Morales stuff back then and it was still ok, they knew about Pac & needles, and everything was still fine then. Its like someone told them something and they snapped but all the public fell for it. You cant accept no shit like that. Then even after that Floyd's team was trying to make it non random, only the minimum amount of test, and not near the fight but Pac's team kept twisting it like Floyd wanted it the morning of the fight which we all knew wasnt true.
Then at the end everyone knew that Floyd said 14 days out but Roach tried to make it sound like they accepted 14 but Floyd didnt take it because he tried to get out of the fight. Come on people. How can you overlook that? Again, its true that Floyd doesnt make the rules and everything but to me its like, what if he truly believes Pac maybe juicing? I think they truly believe that and if thats the case then why would you fight him without the test? If Floyd gets KTFO and they find out 3 years from now that Pac was juicing then he would never forgive himself.
Floyd basically is giving Pac major props. I mean he said something the other day that no one is really talking about. He said that maybe Pac isnt juicing and is just really Superman. Thats the biggest compliment ever. He's saying that Pac is a monster right now and is so much of a monster that its hard to believe. With that being said, Floyd & his team still believe Floyd is better so if he is Superman then they are willing to fight him because thats how good they think they still are but all they want to make sure is that he's not going in there with extra shit on top of it. Thats how I see it. Its like Floyd is saying that Pac is a beast but he's willing to face the beast as long as he know's that he's not a beast like Barry Bonds is a beast and I think that is fair to ask if you are Floyd.
Why isnt that fair? Its ok to fight a guy if you truly believe he may be juicing? I also think Floyd by backing off the testing he really wants is saying that he still may be juicing but atleast doing it this way I can cut down on the amount of time he gets to juice which is better than nothing even though its not what I fully want. I mean seriously though, spear me this stuff that Floyd's team knew what was going to happened. How the hell did they know that this is what would make Pac say NO? They didnt think of that shit. Again, if thats the case then after there whole team said Yes, Floyd's side wouldve tried another way to get out of the fight by demanding more money or not accepting the 10mil penalty and we all wouldve been ok with that because it sounds like something Floyd would do but he didnt. He wanted the fight.
Oh goody, so everything was ALL JUST TALK?
So why malign and discredit everything a person's done IF ALL WAS JUST TALK????
Damn, after all those dirt thrown at pac....
Yeah, talk is cheap.
again, its not all just talk. I believe Floyd thinks he is better. I think the whole family respects boxers more. I think they have a ton of respect for a guy like JMM who mastered the sweet science but think Pac is just a brawler who throws alot of punches but that dont mean he should be dumb enough to just go at him if he thinks he may be juicing. You cant really say they are ripping on him because the fact is that if Pac said Yes then it wouldnt even really be a story. I mean Shane admitted he was doping but its not a story because Shane said yes so the Mayweathers arent even talking about it.
They arent talking because if a man is taking the test then what more can he do? Its the same way about Pac. If he said Yes then you wouldnt have heard much anymore but now they are like why doesnt he want to take it? Is he hiding something? Again, Im not even saying that Pac should. Thats not my place to say it but they did act like it was ok at 1st and my main point is that either way you cant say that he's scared of the man just for this
Floyd could've chose his next opponent BEFORE the Pac-Cotto fight.....but he waited to see if Manny won......if he wanted NOTHING to do with Manny he could've signed to fight somebody else.....the man agreed to 8 oz gloves and 10 mill weight penalty...WTF more does a man have to do?!?.....oh I get it.....I would take this some where else but the board seems to be very sensitive these days so I'm gonna fall back.....but the facts won't change whether you agree or not.....Manny wanted Floyd to pay 10 mill for every pound he came in over.....I never heard of that shit before.....why 10 mill?!?......maybe he was lookin for a way out, who knows?!? :dunno:.....why didn't he agree to take the test and help the sport advance its testing procedures?!?....the SAME sport that he's the face of?!?.....if you buy those excuses then hit me up on ebay.....I got some excuses for sale since people seem to be buying them these days!!.....Floyd wanted Manny but Manny wanted no parts of OST drug testing!!! :cool2:
Dude thats just talk. He would say that about anyone he's fighting just like Ali said and just like Toney says, Hopkins, and so on. Now I also think Floyd truly does believe Pac is inferior but like Canseco said an average guy can be a superstar on the juice. Im a Baltimore fan and I saw a scrub like Brady Anderson out the blue hit 50 homeruns. However, even with the juice I think Floyd believes he can beat him but he's not just dumb enough to run out there head 1st.
He didnt get to where he is by being dumb and then end up regretting stuff. He probably still may think something is up if Pac passes the test. Again, I think he may believe that Pac can juice even with the test but the testing will cut down on the amount he gets to juice. Im not saying I believe this, Im just telling Pac's side. Still, you cant say that he should do this and that just because he thinks he's better. Be fair man. Like I said, its just talk. You know if he beats Pac then after the fight he will be super nice to him and call Pac a legend and saying that he was just selling the fight
Oh goody, so everything was ALL JUST TALK?
So why malign and discredit everything a person's done IF ALL WAS JUST TALK????
Damn, after all those dirt thrown at pac....
Yeah, talk is cheap.
That's called assuming my friend. If you can provide proof that actually happened I'll be glad to check it out.
Bottom line is Mosley vs Berto was literally days from happening, that fight WAS going to happen. Floyd paying Berto off doesn't cover the production HBO was putting on for the fight, promotion, etc. Mosley vs Mayweather happened due to unforeseen circumstances and Mosley was the next best option for Floyd after Pacquaio fell through and Berto dropped out. If Floyd wanted Mosley THAT bad, he would've fought him after his 18 month training session (excuse me...retirement).
Clearly he wanted Pacquiao before Mosley, which is why JMM was his chosen opponent. There is no other reason for him to take on JMM than to beat him worse than Pacquiao did to try and make that fight happen. People always say Pac beat Hatton and Oscar worse than Mayweather did so he wanted to get back some of that by beating Marquez worse than Pac did.
He could have fought pretty much anyone but he wanted to create that storyline to set up and help promote a match up with Pacquiao. People must have learnt by now that a lot of the moves Floyd makes are calculated and for a reason, whether it be simply to get in his opponents head or to escalate public interest.
I am not taking sides either, don't care what pac's eating or inducing.
All i care about is for Floyd the fraud to prove what he's saying.
He said pac is one dimensional, an easy fight, a cheater, etc and saying he floyd is also the best of all time that no one can beat him.
If all that is true, then he should fight pac w/o any additional conditions from him as he said it's gonna be easy.
Otherwise, Floyd is the biggest fraud in boxing there is.
Dude thats just talk. He would say that about anyone he's fighting just like Ali said and just like Toney says, Hopkins, and so on. Now I also think Floyd truly does believe Pac is inferior but like Canseco said an average guy can be a superstar on the juice. Im a Baltimore fan and I saw a scrub like Brady Anderson out the blue hit 50 homeruns. However, even with the juice I think Floyd believes he can beat him but he's not just dumb enough to run out there head 1st.
He didnt get to where he is by being dumb and then end up regretting stuff. He probably still may think something is up if Pac passes the test. Again, I think he may believe that Pac can juice even with the test but the testing will cut down on the amount he gets to juice. Im not saying I believe this, Im just telling Pac's side. Still, you cant say that he should do this and that just because he thinks he's better. Be fair man. Like I said, its just talk. You know if he beats Pac then after the fight he will be super nice to him and call Pac a legend and saying that he was just selling the fight
I wasnt talking to you. I was just talking to people in general. Thats why I didnt quote you. Im just talking to all the posters in the thread that still say he is scared or ducked someone out of fear
Good, then i'm one of them.
Read again what i posted.
Who you talking to? If you were talking to me then read again what i said above your post.
I wasnt talking to you. I was just talking to people in general. Thats why I didnt quote you. Im just talking to all the posters in the thread that still say he is scared or ducked someone out of fear
Look, if you want to debate that he ducked other guys then thats fine and up to you but right now Im just talking about Pac. You cannot say in this case that he ducked Pac. There is no way you can say that when looking at the facts. Bottom line is if Pac says yes then Floyd has to fight, right? Its basically that simple just like with Mosley. Maybe he wanted to duck Mosley also but Shane said Yes and now guess what? Floyd has to fight. There is no way out of it just like there wouldve been no way out the Pac fight. You can say he knew this & that about Pac but thats not true and you know it. They said Yes way before negotations started and Floyd still made all the rest of the negotiations easy. He didnt know they would come back out the blue and flip out like that.
Then the Mosley thing is the same way basically. Floyd calls him out twice and no one cares but Shane calls him out and if Floyd doesnt say yes immediatly then he's a ducker. Then when he takes the fight its because of something else. Then if Shane wouldve not accepted the testing then Floyd wouldve been a ducker again. You cant do that. Not only that but lets just talk about fear. Again, I think Floyd is proving when they are face to face that he doesnt fear Shane and I bet he would look the same way against Pac.
Who you talking to? If you were talking to me then read again what i said above your post.
Look, if you want to debate that he ducked other guys then thats fine and up to you but right now Im just talking about Pac. You cannot say in this case that he ducked Pac. There is no way you can say that when looking at the facts. Bottom line is if Pac says yes then Floyd has to fight, right? Its basically that simple just like with Mosley. Maybe he wanted to duck Mosley also but Shane said Yes and now guess what? Floyd has to fight. There is no way out of it just like there wouldve been no way out the Pac fight. You can say he knew this & that about Pac but thats not true and you know it. They said Yes way before negotations started and Floyd still made all the rest of the negotiations easy. He didnt know they would come back out the blue and flip out like that.
Then the Mosley thing is the same way basically. Floyd calls him out twice and no one cares but Shane calls him out and if Floyd doesnt say yes immediatly then he's a ducker. Then when he takes the fight its because of something else. Then if Shane wouldve not accepted the testing then Floyd wouldve been a ducker again. You cant do that. Not only that but lets just talk about fear. Again, I think Floyd is proving when they are face to face that he doesnt fear Shane and I bet he would look the same way against Pac.
Now there definitely might be some things that he's not going to do if it doesnt make business sense because he is not a fan. This is his job and he wants to make the most money possible and everything else is second. You can rip him for that but when you see him face to face with these guys in a normal setting you cannot believe he is scared. Even if you thought that he did truly fear Shane, you have to flip on that once you saw the pressers and so on. Now he may not fight certain guys for certain reasons but just being scared of another fighter is not the reason
No doubt, not fighting some of the big names has made people question his credibility. However the die hard fans still stick by him. Same goes for pac with the drug testing issue. As a fan I just wanna see the fight made and people start making both fighters stand up and take accountability for this fight not happening. Rather than everyone picking sides.
I am not taking sides either, don't care what pac's eating or inducing.
All i care about is for Floyd the fraud to prove what he's saying.
He said pac is one dimensional, an easy fight, a cheater, etc and saying he floyd is also the best of all time that no one can beat him.
If all that is true, then he should fight pac w/o any additional conditions from him as he said it's gonna be easy.
Otherwise, Floyd is the biggest fraud in boxing there is.
No doubt, not fighting some of the big names has made people question his credibility. However the die hard fans still stick by him. Same goes for pac with the drug testing issue. As a fan I just wanna see the fight made and people start making both fighters stand up and take accountability for this fight not happening. Rather than everyone picking sides.
Floyd made a rule and PAC can agree or not. PAC said FU. Was the rule necessary....no. Floyd duck PAC.
No doubt, not fighting some of the big names has made people question his credibility. However the die hard fans still stick by him. Same goes for pac with the drug testing issue. As a fan I just wanna see the fight made and people start making both fighters stand up and take accountability for this fight not happening. Rather than everyone picking sides.
:haha::haha: Typical pactard response. BTW, i want my 10K.
:haha::haha: Typical flomo response. BTW, had they fought yet? who won?.
That's called assuming my friend. If you can provide proof that actually happened I'll be glad to check it out.
Bottom line is Mosley vs Berto was literally days from happening, that fight WAS going to happen. Floyd paying Berto off doesn't cover the production HBO was putting on for the fight, promotion, etc. Mosley vs Mayweather happened due to unforeseen circumstances and Mosley was the next best option for Floyd after Pacquaio fell through and Berto dropped out. If Floyd wanted Mosley THAT bad, he would've fought him after his 18 month training session (excuse me...retirement).
Floydie dickriders choose to ignore this part always.
Floyd in his prime faked 3 retirements just to avoid a top WW for half a decade. History would dictate........
Hhhmmm...interesting. It's not only one he tried to avoid though but the whole top in the division.
Floyd is a duck, no matter how nuthuggers sugarcoat what they're sayin here, nothing can change the fact that FLOYD IS A DUCK...sometimes he's also a chicken.
It is both fighters who are to blame for this fight not happening. Pac man with his refusal to take the test and Mayweather for believing his father and uncle that pac man is on drugs.
Is Mayweather scared of pac man? Probably not. Is he influenced by the people around him. Of course he is, just the same as anyone else. If your trainer and father told you a fighter was on drugs you would probably listen to them as well. If Roach told pac man a fighter was on drugs and do not fight him unless he is tested, pac man would ask for the same thing. These accusations and request for tests are slightly out of the norm so you can't blame pac for being upset
You have to put part of the blame on pac as he is refusing to take the test. This refusal has led to some pictures like the one in this thread and other peers in the boxing world questioning his integrity.
Anyways ,anyone who can't see the fault in both fighters is seriously biased, as it is plain to see they are both to blame for potentially one of the biggest fights in history not being made.
we should not be taking sides with one of the boxers, we should put the blame on both of them at robbing our chances of seeing this fight. Don't side with Mayweather or Pac, just abuse both for not compromising.
PBF ducked noone. All those haters should list those p4p fighters that Floyd ducked. They can't, because there aren't any. PBF's the one and only real deal out there. :moon:
I understand that maybe Snr and Roger believe or have a suspicion that Pac is on roids but that doesn't mean they should OUTRIGHT start ACCUSING a professional sportsman, a humble athlete like Pac who, it seems to me, would be the last person to use a performance enhacing drug, considering how talented he is and always has been (a world champion aged 20), they should start bandying about all this nonsense about Philipines has the best PEDs etc., that's just out of order and the accusations against Pac are baseless and defamatory. Every one knows Floyd jr's welterweight career's been a joke since he stepped up from 140, I think the Mayweathers are jealous that, in 2 fights at WW, Pac has beaten two big, strong fully-fledged welterweights and put Floyd in the shade
Even before Floyd negotiated with Pac Floyd said he`s only want`s big fights.And while negotiating for the Pac fight Leonard ellerbe said "if the fight with Pacquiao can`t be made then they`ll fight Mosley.
Ellerbe's said a lot of things, but in Boxing nothing is for sure until both names are on the contracts. Floyd stated he wanted to fight a lot of guys, but a good amount also didn't happen.
IMO, if they wanted Mosley that bad Floyd could've fought him in his comeback fight being Mosley had no dance partner either.
And this is no diss to Floyd whatsoever, I just don't buy the fact that people believe he planned all this. It's all circumstantial (which doesn't bother me one bit either).
I dont agree with that. Matter of fact its totally wrong. 1st off the Berto fight was in January so its not like it was a long ways off. 2nd, HBO was never ever going to let both Pac & Floyd fight on the same day. People were dumb for thinking that was true. Why would they lose out on that much money? 3rd and what everyone has to remember is that Berto had the Haiti thing but was also basically bought out. Meaning that Floyd went after Mosley. He wasnt ducking him or the Berto fight just fell through. Floyd basically pulled the strings on the fight along with the Haiti tragedy just to get to Mosley
That's called assuming my friend. If you can provide proof that actually happened I'll be glad to check it out.
Bottom line is Mosley vs Berto was literally days from happening, that fight WAS going to happen. Floyd paying Berto off doesn't cover the production HBO was putting on for the fight, promotion, etc. Mosley vs Mayweather happened due to unforeseen circumstances and Mosley was the next best option for Floyd after Pacquaio fell through and Berto dropped out. If Floyd wanted Mosley THAT bad, he would've fought him after his 18 month training session (excuse me...retirement).
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