Worse? Floyd retiring to not fight WWs in their prime/ Manny and his superstitions?

Which is worse to you? Floyd and his "retirement" after Hatton...which by the way, he was scheduled to re-match DLH (who walks away from another potentially PPV breaking event? we'll get to him later), or face any of the Fab 5 WWs, (Mosley,Cotto,Margarito,Berto,Clottey) then coincidentally comes back after news comes out of IRS and debt problems and the 5 (save for Berto) have all gone thru wars with each other (throw Manny in the mix now). Manny with his superstitious beliefes about giving blood too close to a match, walking away from a potential $40 mili payday (see above), the guy says himself that "Floyd's style is not that hard".......and faces a human "heavy bag" for his guaranteed purse of $12mili. I personally SAY BOTH ARE JUST AS BAD AS THE OTHERS' EXCUSE. Floyd went about the whole OST all wrong....and Manny's Team (Roach, Arum and Ariza) diddn't make things any better with all their comments. Both need to man up, either take the tests or eliminate the tests....and just get it on. You could use the same argument for both..... Floyd: "I am the greatest fighter of my generation, I am greater than Sugar Ray, Ali etc.....but I want to make sure that I am fighting guys on a level playing field" - Should walking away from the biggest payday of your career because a "1 dimensional fighter" decided not to agree to OST (remember Manny agreed to unlimited urine/hair analysis and blood testing up to 30days and immediately after the fight in the locker room). Manny: "He is trying to give me a bad name, ruin /defame my character by accusing me of using PEDs". - OK...take the tests to prove you are clean. But not so simple, maybe having the bad experiences in the past (soreness in arm, bruising, etc...) may have not let him be at 100%. But with conflicting reports as recent as the Clottey fight that Manny was destroying sparring partners the day after giving blood, that should end that. Again, career payday walked away from due to accusations of PED use? I'm sure I missed a couple of things here and there, but I'll leave that to everyone to fill in the blanks......

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That's the problem. Top Rank is keeping everything in-house, which is why we are not going to see him fight Mosley or even Timothy Bradley. Instead, we just got Joshua Clottey and Margarito may be next. Those two did not earn a shot at Pacquiao. Mosley/Bradley will be much easier to make the Mayweather. Personal issues make the Floyd fight (mixed with the OST) too hard to make. Mosely has already gone on record as saying "He won't request OST" and so has Bradley. Promoters listen to the fighters and their demands...not the other way around.

16y ago

fightfan_79

The Lazcano fight? That was at 140. That's the problem. Top Rank is keeping everything in-house, which is why we are not going to see him fight Mosley or even Timothy Bradley. Instead, we just got Joshua Clottey and Margarito may be next. Those two did not earn a shot at Pacquiao. I was talkin bout the Collazo fight....

16y ago

INVINCEABLE

Yeah..but that was also at 147lbs......and to tell you the truth...Floyd knew that. The Lazcano fight? That was at 140. Top ranks line of thinking was since Cotto beat shane, and that we can keep the money inhouse, Cotto fight makes sense. I can see and arguement for both sides but IMO Pac made the best descision. Don't worry if Shane takes care of business he will defiantly get a Pac fight...so the ball in now in his court. That's the problem. Top Rank is keeping everything in-house, which is why we are not going to see him fight Mosley or even Timothy Bradley. Instead, we just got Joshua Clottey and Margarito may be next. Those two did not earn a shot at Pacquiao.

16y ago

fightfan_79

And, if you talking about rankings. As of right now Pac deserves the #1 ranking. He beat two top 4 WWs in the past for months. While Shane will go 16 month without a fight. You can't have that inactivity and be able to keep the #1 ranking. And that is according to RING Magazine...which is owned by GBP. :firedevil

16y ago

PensionKiller

WW rankings on almost every site had Mosley ahead of Cotto. YOU FAIL Yeah and they based it on what? A win over Margarito because Cotto lost to Marg. I can;t prove Marg had wraps with Cotto, but if the guy who did his wraps always did it the same, then I can only assume other wise. Collazo? Good win, but not great He got lucky at 154 VS Mayorga IMO and looked like shit Lost to Cotto in a good, close fight Cotto was lower because of a contreversal lost. Mosely is higher because he hasn't fought since Marg whom made him look great edit:That's what I'm trying to tell you. Firstly Marg will not happen. Pac aint going to Mexico lol. I want Mayweather because I believe Pac is the only guy to be able to beat Floyd So is mosely the number 1 welter? Based on what? Margarito and Collazo? Heck if you are moaning of Margatiro and plaster, then Mosely is not the man who beat the man. He is the man who beat a cheat without his cheats. Thus Cotto didn't lose because he got beat by a cheat. Mosely is not the Welter Number 1 then right? Tell me I'm being sensible here. I don't want Pac to beat up a man made for him in Marg. That's one thing I need to get clear

16y ago

fightfan_79

Both have robbed the fans. And that's all that really matters. EXACTLY......this thread was created to see who was upset at the "big picture". Green K Imp!

16y ago

SugarRayRob

16y ago

fightfan_79

manny's superstitions never effected the fans until floyd. floyd could have given the fans so many great fights or at least a couple, he could have cleaned out a loaded WW division. and when floyd retired, there was no fab 5, i think, did you just make that up? the rankings were, after floyd of course, cotto, williams, mosley and margarito, clottey was ranked behind judah, cintron and collazo, and i am pretty sure berto wasn't a top 10 at the time and he was as unproven as a fighter could be. sorry not to be an ass but just though i would mention that. correct me if i am wrong. anyways i think floyd's is worst, maybe manny wouldn't have but i think if he was in that position he would have fought those guys, atleast a couple of them. he did fight barrera, marquez and morales all in a 4 fight span, which leads me to believe he would have done something like that if he was WW a couple years ago, too bad he was still fighting at 130. Yes I did.....:439:

16y ago

Khalid_X

Cotto's win over Mosley was not clear. Cotto was knocked out by Margarito. Mosley knocked out Margarito. Mosley is #1 at welterweight. I don't see how Cotto can be rated #1 after getting knocked out. never said that. I said there was no clear cut "guy" at WW. Also a win is a win no matter how you get it (unless it's a robbery or such) Cotto beat Shane, Marg beat Cotto, Shane destroy Marg. Marg then is suspended taking him outta the equation, so it now comes down to Shane or Cotto. Top ranks line of thinking was since Cotto beat shane, and that we can keep the money inhouse, Cotto fight makes sense. I can see and arguement for both sides but IMO Pac made the best descision. Don't worry if Shane takes care of business he will defiantly get a Pac fight...so the ball in now in his court.

16y ago

fightfan_79

You could argue that Hatton wasn't at his best. Remember when he needed a break to tie his shoes after getting punished by Lazcano? Yeah..but that was also at 147lbs......and to tell you the truth...Floyd knew that.

16y ago

partacus

16y ago

INVINCEABLE

Yes I am. Shane is apart of this company and even they are co-signing what Im saying. They mentioned in a nutshell that since Cotto beat Mosley, That mosley wasn't the clear cut guy at WW even though he beat Tony. Why is it that Shane's on company agrees with me? Cotto's win over Mosley was not clear. Cotto was knocked out by Margarito. Mosley knocked out Margarito. Mosley is #1 at welterweight. I don't see how Cotto can be rated #1 after getting knocked out.

16y ago

disolly

Who did PBF really duck? Floyd ducking a p4p opponent is just a myth of Pactards. Hatton, DLH, Judah, Gatti,..........all top contenders or HOFers. Haters should finally appreciate that PBF came out of retirement to give us some more of his exciting bouts. btw, PBF/SSM will be da bomb! :boxing::moon: you can almost always discredit a guys past opponents but seriously, hatton was smaller coming up from 140, not to mention his fighting style was based on using his size which he couldn't as much against a bigger floyd. de la hoya was over the hill, the top 5 WW's at the time would have all beat him. judah is good and i like him, not much there except he was coming off a loss to baldomir. and gatti, ha, he was never that great, he had some great fights but come on, and he was way over the hill.

16y ago

Khalid_X

Was that one writers opinion? Probably....... well it looks like the enivitable just happened...lol But just incase you wanted to see what my answer would be.....No because the ring rankings are decided by a panel and not one person in particular.

16y ago

jrosales13

And, if you talking about rankings. As of right now Pac deserves the #1 ranking. He beat two top 5 WWs in the past for months. While Shane will go 16 month without a fight. You can't have that inactivity and be able to keep the #1 ranking.

16y ago

jrosales13

Both are dumb as shit. If I have to pick one. I would say that if Floyd didn't have the hunger for the sport then I don't mind him retiring. And, I don't believe in the superstion crap. But, just cuz I don't believe in it and I think is silly he might so who am I to judge him for that. But, I would vote Pac just cuz like I said if you don't have the hunger or the love for the sport any longer than retire. And, Floyd did so that is fine with me.

16y ago

partacus

16y ago

Khalid_X

Are you seriously bringing up Ring Magazine into this discussion? Yes I am. Shane is apart of this company and even they are co-signing what Im saying. They mentioned in a nutshell that since Cotto beat Mosley, That mosley wasn't the clear cut guy at WW even though he beat Tony. Why is it that Shane's on company agrees with me?

16y ago

Khalid_X

Was Diaz the best at 135? No. He was top 3 though and considering that Diaz vs Pac was agreed upon even before Diaz vs Campbell...then its really a mood point. Pac vs Diaz was set in stone whether Pac beat or lost to Marquez, which is why diaz was on the undercard of MP vs JMM.

16y ago

partacus

The ring owned by who? GBP :o Mosely beat who? Margarito who was also found to have something illegal :o A mexican fighter with a style whom Mosely loves to fight and was ready made for him :o Oh wait, Mosely P4P 1 with a lay off since Jan 2009 WW rankings on almost every site had Mosley ahead of Cotto. YOU FAIL

16y ago