Seems only one set of fans on NSB are for Non-testing.

:lol1: No way mate. I'm 100% clean. I drink 1 cup of coffee in the morning and thats it. Unlike me I'm a coffee addict

You spoke like a true drug addict, I can refer you to therapy. Uhmmm Am sure Roy can start the "legalise it campaign"

:lol1: No way mate. I'm 100% clean. I drink 1 cup of coffee in the morning and thats it. But how can you say that, what should I tell all the juviniles in the gym that I train them, load yourself up with shit so you can get an advantage. Or even worse suffer a terrible beating and then question themselves cause the other fighter was on some PED. Common lets be real here. History will show us that great things are done cause somebody was in an influence of some drug, but the ones that are not on it and achieve the same are more highly praised and appreciated

Its a slippery slope mate. Think about writers or creative people in general who depend on an expansion of consciousness to produce great works of art that would've otherwise not been possible without the expansion of the mind. Are we to ban Hemingway from drinking Scotch or coffee because it gives him an unfair writing advantage? I think not. The thing to do is allow people do to what they want w/ their bodies. In the end, pure skill and natural talent will prevail anyway and w/ the expansive power of PED's it will take the sport to another level. Instead of Vazquez/Marquez for 12 rounds, the athletes of the future will go for 30 rounds non stop. Imagine the possibilities. You spoke like a true drug addict, I can refer you to therapy.

Im absolutely watching for my entertainment not to worry about who puts what in their bodies. But isn't the whole point of sport to entertain via the specticle of competition, i.e. finding out who is the best - not who has the best nutritionist. I'm not saying the presence of performance enhancers should ruin your whole appreciation of the sport or even a particular fight or athlete as it may be, but it does kind of defeat the purpose and reduce the user's credentials as an athlete.

Life will be difficult for you. Once you realize that PED's are here to stay you will be better off. You need to learn to embrace the magic of PED's. Okay would try, My brother is on steriods over here in Arizona and his trying to come off it but i stay away from stuff like that, Since he came over to america he has learn so really dodgy stuff but hey he's a man so what can i say.

No! We are expecting these men to be clean and all natural. Thats the way to seperate everyone, When Ben Johnson was relief of his drugs he couldnt do what he was doing before. Having them clean means we get to see who actually is the best, Less injury, Less death etc Nothing bad would come out of been natural only good and if we have the best testing in sport we would be able to prevent all of these. Im absolutely watching for my entertainment not to worry about who puts what in their bodies. We still get to see whos the best we just get to see it at a higher level. Im not sure how you are figuring on less death and injure either, if you could explain that to me. Ive been on these forums since Floyd SR. made his accusations and from what Ive gathered no matter how great of testing the sport has there will be ways to beat it.

I am all for more testing, I am NOT all for more testing killing the biggest boxing event in years, but it is what it is.

Humans are natural, humans created PEDS so by extension PEDS are natural and an extension of human ingenuity. You're not an athletic luddite are you? Yes i am..

Nutrition in general is much better in sports now than in the past, its the beauty of science. We're holding ourselves back. I have never understood why nutritional supplements that are available to the public are banned in sports either, we are expecting these men to go out a perform super human feats of strength and speed anyway, why not give them some help? No! We are expecting these men to be clean and all natural. Thats the way to seperate everyone, When Ben Johnson was relief of his drugs he couldnt do what he was doing before. Having them clean means we get to see who actually is the best, Less injury, Less death etc Nothing bad would come out of been natural only good and if we have the best testing in sport we would be able to prevent all of these.

So if we cant find a solution we should put all of them on drug?? Do you realise that would not a natural feat? Nutrition in general is much better in sports now than in the past, its the beauty of science. We're holding ourselves back. I have never understood why nutritional supplements that are available to the public are banned in sports either, we are expecting these men to go out a perform super human feats of strength and speed anyway, why not give them some help?

There is no other solution to guarantee a level playing field. I thought thats what you wanted. What exactly is your objection to enhancing athletes performance? You watch a sport where its not all that uncommon for fighters to die from being hit in the head too many times dont act all high and mighty now. The man the sport refers to as " The Greatest " can't wipe his own ass because of being hit in the head too many times, so its not like you dont already expect these athletes to put their health on the line for your entertainment. So if we cant find a solution we should put all of them on drug?? Do you realise that would not a natural feat?

Its laughable to even suggest we should legalise it to accomodate everyone, Its laughable to even think a sport fan would think that would be a solution, When the day comes when that happens then we might just give up. There is no other solution to guarantee a level playing field. I thought thats what you wanted. What exactly is your objection to enhancing athletes performance? You watch a sport where its not all that uncommon for fighters to die from being hit in the head too many times dont act all high and mighty now. The man the sport refers to as " The Greatest " can't wipe his own ass because of being hit in the head too many times, so its not like you dont already expect these athletes to put their health on the line for your entertainment.

nobody can say FM is being selective with Manny and "why now, why Manny" anymore. why u ask? well, shane took the tests so nobody can say that shit anymore.

I wouldnt mind also hearing how exactly the testing is "better". I read that they've never even caught anyone on HGH using Olympic Testing. Basically you're just buying into whatever is fed to you by Mayweather and his lackeys feed you. It was never an issue before because you just "assumed" the testing was ok. Now you're just "assuming" its inadequate. manny PAC didn't even take a urine test for drugs against clottey so how adequate. Is that ???????

Nothing against the TS but you should have just plain said its the Pac fans who wants no testing and Mayweather fans wants testing. NSAC and other state commisions have had drug testing before. Now as far as blood testing, well i posted about an LA Times article in here and seems nobody bother to read it. In that article, it is not even 100 percent proof that it wil catch a fighter on PED or HGH. As far as Mayweather on Pac, PBF has always have a big ego. He want it his ways. PBF has never demanded a blood test before against his past fights. And before the Cotto fight, he never mention Pac is into "something". When only the Pac-Mayweather fight was in the talk last december that now PBF is saying Pac is taking that "something". Pac's non training weight is around 150 or 160 something, even when he was a jr. lightweight. Pac's fight night weight the last 4 fights at 130-135 divisions was 145-148. So Pac was loosing 20 or more pounds to reach the jr. lw and lw divisions and gaining 15 pounds or more at fight night. So when Pac fought Oscar at 147, it was no problem for him to make 147, which he came in at official weigh in of142, 5 pounds under. And his fight night weight was 148, the same weight in his last 2-3 fights before Oscar. Against Hatton, official weigh in was 138 and same fight night weight of 148. Against Cotto, Pac was 144 and fight night weight of 149(according to 1 story). On the Clottey fight he was 145. And there were no fight night weight but seems that he is around but 1 story again said he was 149. Some say that is imposibble for Pac to be that good at 147 when he started at 106. Well, Mayweather won his first golden glove at 106. Pac has retain his speed just like how Roy Jones at heavyweight against Ruiz and Mayweather against Dela Hoya. Pac as reported by the media, is a "monster" when training. Now if Pac agreed to all the random testing, i bet you that Mayweather will DEMAND something again.l That is how PBF is. As far as the testing, it will be both blood and urine. Both tests combine about 15-20 testings. That is too much. So, as far as Pac is on PED or HGH, you need more proof than what the Mayweathers said. Are you for test or not? Am putting all boxing fans in one boat but if they want to segregate themselves fine, If you are for better testing great if not STFU no disrespect intended.. I couldnt careless which particular fan people think am referring to to be honest, I really dont care who trains the hardest or not, If people are against testing for whatever reason thats their business, Just dont call others who want better drug testing names for wanting it.. Like i said so many times in my thread this isnt about Pacquiao or Mayweather but more about "Boxing fans" attitude.

Legalizing steroids in boxing would bring the sport to an end. Its laughable to even suggest we should legalise it to accomodate everyone, Its laughable to even think a sport fan would think that would be a solution, When the day comes when that happens then we might just give up.

Nothing against the TS but you should have just plain said its the Pac fans who wants no testing and Mayweather fans wants testing. NSAC and other state commisions have had drug testing before. Now as far as blood testing, well i posted about an LA Times article in here and seems nobody bother to read it. In that article, it is not even 100 percent proof that it wil catch a fighter on PED or HGH. As far as Mayweather on Pac, PBF has always have a big ego. He want it his ways. PBF has never demanded a blood test before against his past fights. And before the Cotto fight, he never mention Pac is into "something". When only the Pac-Mayweather fight was in the talk last december that now PBF is saying Pac is taking that "something". Pac's non training weight is around 150 or 160 something, even when he was a jr. lightweight. Pac's fight night weight the last 4 fights at 130-135 divisions was 145-148. So Pac was loosing 20 or more pounds to reach the jr. lw and lw divisions and gaining 15 pounds or more at fight night. So when Pac fought Oscar at 147, it was no problem for him to make 147, which he came in at official weigh in of142, 5 pounds under. And his fight night weight was 148, the same weight in his last 2-3 fights before Oscar. Against Hatton, official weigh in was 138 and same fight night weight of 148. Against Cotto, Pac was 144 and fight night weight of 149(according to 1 story). On the Clottey fight he was 145. And there were no fight night weight but seems that he is around but 1 story again said he was 149. Some say that is imposibble for Pac to be that good at 147 when he started at 106. Well, Mayweather won his first golden glove at 106. Pac has retain his speed just like how Roy Jones at heavyweight against Ruiz and Mayweather against Dela Hoya. Pac as reported by the media, is a "monster" when training. Now if Pac agreed to all the random testing, i bet you that Mayweather will DEMAND something again.l That is how PBF is. As far as the testing, it will be both blood and urine. Both tests combine about 15-20 testings. That is too much. So, as far as Pac is on PED or HGH, you need more proof than what the Mayweathers said.

how did this thread started? with a blink of an eye or from a spark of a brand new idea? let the shit go this thread is not a debate abt Mayweather or Pac stop trolling

Yeah that's what i said, but didn't you read my next post telling the TS that that message was not for him or his thread, but for people who have flawed logic? And i thought i apologized if these seemed trolling to you guys? :?!: Geezz.. Yea I do now my bad, thought u were one of those ppl who jus want to argue abt May and Pac. Again my bad