If Manny WAS indeed cheating, he would have taken the blood tests

The most common excuse of those claiming Manny cheats is his refusal to take the random blood tests. Well, i counter them the fact that IF Manny was INDEED cheating, then he would have jumped at the 14 day cheating opportunity floyd jr. offered him. You see, according to Victor Conte of BALCO, the man responsible for roiding athletes (including SHANE MOSLEY) for YEARS without getting caught, you only need 24 hours to hide the junk in your system to cheat tests. The fact that he got away with it for YEARS means the man knows what he is talking about. That would give Manny a 13 day window of opportunity to cheat based on floyd jr's, compromise offer of having olympic-style random blood tests up to 14 days BEFORE THE FIGHT. A cheater, is a cheater is a cheater. 24 days and 14 days make no difference if you really do cheat. Do you actually think that if Manny WOULD cheat if given 24 days, he WOULDN'T do so if given 14 days? That he won't jump at such an opportunity to cheat? (This is my post to the other thread.)Can't believe this people singing like a broken vinyl record keep saying Pac doesn't want to take the test when in fact he did it to all his US fights (mostly done by NSAC, the same test Floyd took mostly all of his fights) including the Clottey fight (WBO conducted the test). Pac agreed to Mayweather Olympic style blood testing just not the 14 days Floyd insisted plus Pac said they can also test his urine everyday if he wants too (blood testing < urine testing). They can use the most advanced testing method and a lot better than blood draining tactic testing Floyd wants to implement. The NanotrapTM ESP Particles. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/321178-olympic-tests-have-never-detected-hgh-in-an-athlete-usada-backs-urine If you look at it thoroughly on Floyd motives something is fishy down there. This people keep saying Pac doesn't want to take the test are just plain stupid and flomos (Pac's hater and Floyd sexual partners).

great point TS! Also i might add....That if you are guilty why would you make yourself look guilty by not taking the test? LOL Floyd is such a fake! A real man don't need to prove nothing to anybody long as he knows whats right and what is true. A bully beats on people to prove he can.

1) you are assuming BOTH parties want the fight. 2) you are also assuming BOTH parties are in equal standing. My stand is LOGICALLY, yes, BOTH need to compromise to make the fight happen. It just common sense for two people to compromise to reach a mutual agreement. In PRINCIPLE, Manny should NOT bow to the demands of Floyd jr. since he's the P4P #1 and the Champion thus should be the one to dictate the terms. Thus, no matter how much you want something, a line must be drawn and there is a limit to how much a person should compromise to get something. REALISTICALLY, Floyd jr. proved by his actions even before this blood issue that he's been avoiding Manny and won't fight him for any amount whatsoever. The fact that he didn't wait ONE SINGLE DAY to challenge manny to fight him after beating Hatton and challenged Marquez instead is just one of many signs of his reluctance to face him. Another proof is his illogical stance of demanding a random blood test up to 14 days before the fight when this stipulation just makes the test useless. :wave:bye:wave:bye .. i dont have time for http://www.ci.dearborn-heights.mi.us/images/PR/cheerleader.jpg ;) try to be a boxing fan for a moment.....fans like you are the ones who make packy look bad!

Would it matter? If indeed blood can be saved for YEARS to be tested later in the future, EVEN ONE SAMPLE SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT, and Manny has been tested and gave blood samples for YEARS. Do they keep the blood samples for future testing? No...

to be honest.. I dont think floyd will accept that.... I do beleive that they can come to terms to a period time shorter than 20 but later than 14 days... lets say 17 which is the middle... and manny asking for 8 millions .... thats just an example...... I dont know what team mayweather have in mind.. but I do beleive that they want the gap between test to be closer to the 14 days..... by no means.. Im saying that floyd is right by demanding this.... and I would not blame pac if he doesnt want to fight on floyds terms.. all Im saying is that if BOTH parties .. want the fight.. BOTH parties are going to bend some over... thanks for the real talk!! :boxing: 1) you are assuming BOTH parties want the fight. 2) you are also assuming BOTH parties are in equal standing. My stand is LOGICALLY, yes, BOTH need to compromise to make the fight happen. It just common sense for two people to compromise to reach a mutual agreement. In PRINCIPLE, Manny should NOT bow to the demands of Floyd jr. since he's the P4P #1 and the Champion thus should be the one to dictate the terms. Thus, no matter how much you want something, a line must be drawn and there is a limit to how much a person should compromise to get something. REALISTICALLY, Floyd jr. proved by his actions even before this blood issue that he's been avoiding Manny and won't fight him for any amount whatsoever. The fact that he didn't wait ONE SINGLE DAY to challenge manny to fight him after beating Hatton and challenged Marquez instead is just one of many signs of his reluctance to face him. Another proof is his illogical stance of demanding a random blood test up to 14 days before the fight when this stipulation just makes the test useless.

Good post bro… I think Manny's camp especially Manny himself really likes to fight Mayweather and I hope both camps irons out all the kinks for the fight to happen. I owe you a green k, I'll hit you as soon as I reload. thanks man!! same here!!! I'm rooting for bruce lee all the way baby!!!!!!!! and I beleive they will... but this is of course if MAYWEATHER BEATS mosley which I beleive he will... cos if he lose for any reason .. :wave: :wave: to his goofy demands!!

Did Manny give a blood sample for his fight with Clottey? Someone said on here that they had no test for his fight with Clottey. Would it matter? If indeed blood can be saved for YEARS to be tested later in the future, EVEN ONE SAMPLE SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT, and Manny has been tested and gave blood samples for YEARS.

How about if the random blood tests stay with a cut date of 20 days in exchange of Pacquiao dropping the 10 Million per pound over the weight stipulation. Would you think Floyd will accept this term?QUOTE] to be honest.. I dont think floyd will accept that.... I do beleive that they can come to terms to a period time shorter than 20 but later than 14 days... lets say 17 which is the middle... and manny asking for 8 millions .... thats just an example...... I dont know what team mayweather have in mind.. but I do beleive that they want the gap between test to be closer to the 14 days..... by no means.. Im saying that floyd is right by demanding this.... and I would not blame pac if he doesnt want to fight on floyds terms.. all Im saying is that if BOTH parties .. want the fight.. BOTH parties are going to bend some over... thanks for the real talk!! :boxing: Good post bro… I think Manny's camp especially Manny himself really likes to fight Mayweather and I hope both camps irons out all the kinks for the fight to happen. I owe you a green k, I'll hit you as soon as I reload.

well.. then.... U just dont know the meaning of the word NEGOTIATE. we got a DEAL BREAKER CLAUSE HERE... FOR BOTH PARTIES.. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHH PARTIES... if any of the TEAM involved in this negotiation have your attituted... theres no logig in even discusting this "possible mega fight" :boxing: Too bad that Floyd jr. has that same attitude you are talking about. They did negotiate, but Floyd refused to allow the 24 day cut off. It would have not taken anything from him in any way whatsoever. But forcing manny to take it 14 days before the fight would have given floyd jr. the psychological edge, which Roach and Manny obviously wouldn't permit. C'mon. What's the diff of 10 days? 24 days would give manny a comfortable margin to recover from a blood test. and 24 days would just be too short a time to take roids which would make a difference in the fight.

How about if the random blood tests stay with a cut date of 20 days in exchange of Pacquiao dropping the 10 Million per pound over the weight stipulation. Would you think Floyd will accept this term? to be honest.. I dont think floyd will accept that.... I do beleive that they can come to terms to a period time shorter than 20 but later than 14 days... lets say 17 which is the middle... and manny asking for 8 millions .... thats just an example...... I dont know what team mayweather have in mind.. but I do beleive that they want the gap between test to be closer to the 14 days..... by no means.. Im saying that floyd is right by demanding this.... and I would not blame pac if he doesnt want to fight on floyds terms.. all Im saying is that if BOTH parties .. want the fight.. BOTH parties are going to bend some over... thanks for the real talk!! :boxing:

Well that's solved by the fact that Manny has been submitting himself to all the Nevada Commission's tests for more than a decade, and that's including giving blood samples for tests. He never refused any of those, even when asked to give blood samples. The last one closest to a fight, being TWO DAYS BEFORE HIS FIGHT WITH MORALES. If he really was roiding, he would have flat out refused, but he didn't. And that was a sudden request mind you. They didn't know blood would be taken from him at that day and time. The excuse for taking his blood sample at that time was because they lost the one he provided previously. People often forget these simple facts.Did Manny give a blood sample for his fight with Clottey? Someone said on here that they had no test for his fight with Clottey.

How about if the random blood tests stay with a cut date of 20 days in exchange of Pacquiao dropping the 10 Million per pound over the weight stipulation. Would you think Floyd will accept this term?Floyd would accept, but Manny's team would still make excuses.

One problem with your post... they can keep his blood sample and test his blood years later when they develop new tests. Someone who is using PEDs is not going to give a sample because we have new technology and test every year. Well that's solved by the fact that Manny has been submitting himself to all the Nevada Commission's tests for more than a decade, and that's including giving blood samples for tests. He never refused any of those, even when asked to give blood samples. The last one closest to a fight, being TWO DAYS BEFORE HIS FIGHT WITH MORALES. If he really was roiding, he would have flat out refused, but he didn't. And that was a sudden request mind you. They didn't know blood would be taken from him at that day and time. The excuse for taking his blood sample at that time was because they lost the one he provided previously. People often forget these simple facts.

Actually, Floyd jr. needs to come to terms with the fact that his blood test clause is useless as i pointed out. Seriously. What can 24 days of roiding do to help Manny in a fight of this magnitude and against Floyd jr? Floyd jr's refusal of the 24 day cut off is UNREASONABLE. And remember that he's the challenger! Its the Champion who can dictate the terms. well.. then.... U just dont know the meaning of the word NEGOTIATE. we got a DEAL BREAKER CLAUSE HERE... FOR BOTH PARTIES.. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHH PARTIES... if any of the TEAM involved in this negotiation have your attituted... theres no logig in even discusting this "possible mega fight" :boxing:

the thing is that ... this is the clause that is a deal killer for both parties... they need to work it out... and come to terms on this one.... both camps needs to man up and give up a lil bit.. in order to make this fight happen... besides that ..I agree with the rest of your statement! :boxing: How about if the random blood tests stay with a cut date of 20 days in exchange of Pacquiao dropping the 10 Million per pound over the weight stipulation. Would you think Floyd will accept this term?

The most common excuse of those claiming Manny cheats is his refusal to take the random blood tests. Well, i counter them the fact that IF Manny was INDEED cheating, then he would have jumped at the 14 day cheating opportunity floyd jr. offered him. You see, according to Victor Conte of BALCO, the man responsible for roiding athletes (including SHANE MOSLEY) for YEARS without getting caught, you only need 24 hours to hide the junk in your system to cheat tests. The fact that he got away with it for YEARS means the man knows what he is talking about. That would give Manny a 13 day window of opportunity to cheat based on floyd jr's, compromise offer of having olympic-style random blood tests up to 14 days BEFORE THE FIGHT. A cheater, is a cheater is a cheater. 24 days and 14 days make no difference if you really do cheat. Do you actually think that if Manny WOULD cheat if given 24 days, he WOULDN'T do so if given 14 days? That he won't jump at such an opportunity to cheat? One problem with your post... they can keep his blood sample and test his blood years later when they develop new tests. Someone who is using PEDs is not going to give a sample because we have new technology and test every year.

the thing is that ... this is the clause that is a deal killer for both parties... they need to work it out... and come to terms on this one.... both camps needs to man up and give up a lil bit.. in order to make this fight happen... besides that ..I agree with the rest of your statement! :boxing: Actually, Floyd jr. needs to come to terms with the fact that his blood test clause is useless as i pointed out. Seriously. What can 24 days of roiding do to help Manny in a fight of this magnitude and against Floyd jr? Floyd jr's refusal of the 24 day cut off is UNREASONABLE. And remember that he's the challenger! Its the Champion who can dictate the terms.

The only way for this fight to happen is for both camps to eliminate and totally drop the roadblocks that derail the negotiation. Drop the 10 million per pound over the weight stipulation from Manny's camp and fuck the random blood tests from Mayweather's camp. I know Manny will agree with this arrangement but I'm not sure about Mayweather tho'. the thing is that ... this is the clause that is a deal killer for both parties... they need to work it out... and come to terms on this one.... both camps needs to man up and give up a lil bit.. in order to make this fight happen... besides that ..I agree with the rest of your statement! :boxing:

The only way for this fight to happen is for both camps to eliminate and totally drop the roadblocks that derail the negotiation. Drop the 10 million per pound over the weight stipulation from Manny's camp and fuck the random blood tests from Mayweather's camp. I know Manny will agree with this arrangement but I'm not sure about Mayweather tho'. I agree with you totally that there is little if no chance at all that Floyd jr. will drop the stupid blood tests. But in my opinion, it would not be necessary at all to drop the 10 million per pound since floyd jr. had absolutely no problem with it at all. Why take it out if it wasn't an issue?

The only way for this fight to happen is for both camps to eliminate and totally drop the roadblocks that derail the negotiation. Drop the 10 million per pound over the weight stipulation from Manny's camp and fuck the random blood tests from Mayweather's camp. I know Manny will agree with this arrangement but I'm not sure about Mayweather tho'.