~~To Pacquiao fans: The myth that taking blood weakens needs to end.~~

Lolz. Doubt Pac really meant anything by that. It is almost as believable as Floyd saying cleaning up boxing.

If you kindly re-read my postings, it is calling for both fighters to make this happen. It isn't one way and if that would have to be the order of the day, then it should be PACQUIAO CALLING ALL THE SHOTS, but it is Mayweather calling this one (blood test). I bet you didn't even read my posting. Dude, you're really reaching. I thought you were one of the most unbiased Pac fans on here, but you're clearly not. Pac and his camp did called all their shots, and Floyd agreed to them all. How is Floyd calling this one shot is unnecessary? Had Pac and his camp declined Floyd's offer since the day he'd asked for it, then no one would even blame them for causing the fight not happening. But they didn't, they agreed upon taken the test, and didn't had any problems with it until few days and weeks later. Neither Floyd or Pac is bigger than our sport, but in order for the fight to happen both sides needs to bend over, and Team Pac didn't.

tsk tsk tsk u fail. its not funny. ive read numerous thread about this already. and in the end never ending argument. ur thread can be interpreted that pac ducked. now, so what if u believe that pac ducked? who is still recognized as a greater boxer pbf or pac? ur thread can be interpreted as pac is on peds. so what if u believe pac is on roids? pac still recieved the fighter of the decade award, meaning majority in boxing world dont believe the roids issue. Stopped reading right there. Sorry. Mad gay.

fabie still giving excuses! If u clean take the test! If you kindly re-read my postings, it is calling for both fighters to make this happen. It isn't one way and if that would have to be the order of the day, then it should be PACQUIAO CALLING ALL THE SHOTS, but it is Mayweather calling this one (blood test). I bet you didn't even read my posting.

* He had 2 tubes of blood withdrawn 19 days before the Clottey fight. * Then proceeded to be a energized, punching machine with loads and stamina and threw over 1200 punches. . That was a weakened Manny! No Blood test and he would have thrown 16,000 punches. He should have manditory blood tests daily, just to keep him at the strength level of us mortals. If we were to let him go too many days without a Blood test there'd be no human or army that could counter his power, Manny would rule the world, if he chose. Just something to think about.

Whatever happens. I think Pac's team will come up with some excuse not to fight Floyd.

if the nsac asked for this blood test, there wouldn't be any problem. The issue here is a contender (coming out of retirement) in mayweather is imposing on the champion to take a blood test... And so there's a combo of issues here....ego obviously in both sides. But mayweather demanding it and pacquiao shooting it down. I don't think this is an uber hard to realize that this isn't about the blood test anymore, it is about ego on who should demand who... Again, if mayweather would have toned down his language perhaps and requested the nsac to test pacquiao, then perhaps there would be a fight...on the other side, obviously pacquiao can take the test also. But with his previous bad experience with the test, joke or ridicule all we want about his "irrational fears" about the blood test but we still have to remember the psychological part of this. A fight is also psychological. For us "non-boxers" here should understand this....inorder to beat someone in the ring, the big part is also the psychological part and thus i wouldn't even touch the issue whether pacquiao is "scared of blood tests or not"... So freakin' what if he is scared....everyone has some kind of "irrational fears" but has no relevance to boxing or our profession or whatever it is that we do. One can be "brave" in many things but when things matter, in this case boxing, that is all that matters. I really think that there should be a mediation as part of the negotiation from the start instead of "salvaging" what's left. Start proactive for both sides and this is the perfect opportunity for nsac to step in. Enough of these stupid mud-slinging at both sides. Both sides have issues and thus the fight didn't happen in the first place. This time i hope that they can fight. And who knows, there would be rematches and to be more ambitious, a trilogy! But first things first. Both sides have to agree....not just one imposing on the other. fabie still giving excuses! If u clean take the test!

If the NSAC asked for this blood test, there wouldn't be any problem. The issue here is a contender (coming out of retirement) in Mayweather is imposing on the Champion to take a blood test... And so there's a combo of issues here....ego obviously in both sides. But Mayweather demanding it and Pacquiao shooting it down. I don't think this is an uber hard to realize that this isn't about the blood test anymore, it is about ego on who should demand who... Again, if Mayweather would have toned down his language perhaps and requested the NSAC to test Pacquiao, then perhaps there would be a fight...On the other side, obviously Pacquiao can take the test also. But with his previous bad experience with the test, joke or ridicule all we want about his "irrational fears" about the blood test but we still have to remember the psychological part of this. A fight is also psychological. For us "non-boxers" here should understand this....inorder to beat someone in the ring, the big part is also the psychological part and thus I wouldn't even touch the issue whether Pacquiao is "scared of blood tests or not"... So freakin' what if he is scared....everyone has some kind of "irrational fears" but has no relevance to boxing or our profession or whatever it is that we do. One can be "brave" in many things but when things matter, in this case boxing, that is all that matters. I really think that there should be a mediation as part of the negotiation from the start instead of "salvaging" what's left. Start proactive for both sides and this is the perfect opportunity for NSAC to step in. Enough of these stupid mud-slinging at both sides. Both sides have issues and thus the fight didn't happen in the first place. This time I hope that they can fight. And who knows, there would be rematches and to be more ambitious, a trilogy! But first things first. Both sides have to agree....not just one imposing on the other.

Floyd Mayweather and his camp are all liars Excuses December 11: Roger Mayweather: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want. December 14: Floyd Sr: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Floyd takes. He has no idea what he takes. December 22: Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Floyd would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight. Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Mayweather has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Mayweather, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight. In that same day, Roger Mayweather: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. is not detected by blood or urine.” How is HGH test done? More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture. December 23: Oscar De La Hoya: Floyd says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing. Roger Mayweather: For the record, Floyd (Remember, he said Floyd) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Floyd is saying no to drugs. December 24: Oscar De La Hoya: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn. December 25: Floyd Mayweather plans to sue Bob Arum, the CEO of Top Rank and Manny Pacquiao in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the world champion said in a statement on Friday. NYDailyNews. Tim Smith, This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Floyd's representatives asked what penalties Floyd would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye. December 26: Floyd Mayweather: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight. December 28 Floyd Mayweather: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court. December 30: Floyd Sr: He’s willing to give the blood tests – just not two or three days before, for understable reasons. David Tyler interviews Roger Mayweather. Roger: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test. David Tyler: Roger, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward. Roger: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones. David Tyler: Roger, I'm not here to make you mad. Roger: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH. David Tyler: Ok Roger, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test? Roger: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine. The Manny Pacquiao fight is the fight the world wants to see,” Roger Mayweather said. “It’s going to be the biggest pay-per-view fight of all time. But I think we will fight one fight before that.” Roger said that Floyd Mayweather schedule will be constructed around his political ambitions and the elections in the Philippines on May 10. “But there is a March date for him to fight,” Roger said. “People think I am crazy but I want him to win his eighth title against Yuri Foreman at 154lb. That’s my idea — then fight Manny Pacquiao in September. And then retire.” The way Roger sees it, there will be no further blemishes on Floyd’s record by the time he greets retirement, although he does concede that Pacquiao will be “the hardest fight of his life”. Floyd's a very difficult fight for Manny,” he said. “It will be physically the hardest, but it will be the hardest fight of his life style-wise. Pacquiao is talented and he’s good at offense. I have a very good game plan for him, but I’m sure a lot of other guys thought that along the way. “We’ll have a ten-week training camp. We have to work on a lot of new moves, we have to improve in certain areas to win that fight.” And would he expect his man to win? “Oh yes. Without a doubt.” Floyd Mayweather clearly ducked Manny Pacquiao.

To be honest, Manny should take the blood tests even up to the day before the fight. I believe he's a bit naive in thinking that the blood testing made him weak before the Morales fight. Doesn't he realize that making weight for that fight is what made him weak? Yes, they took a number of vials of blood from him. But remember, the doctor told him to drink a lot of water after the blood test which he could not do because he was still trying to make weight. The blood tests that the NSAC requires is only a teaspoon of blood for every random blood test along with random urine testing. Today, he could eat as much as he wants and drink as much as he wants so he could do that right after taking a blood test. Manny has to realize that he in America despite the term, "innocent until proven guilty," there will always be a sense of suspicion if he doesn't take certain tests. It doesn't matter if Floyd demanded them. He should let go of his ego and prove to Mayweather that he isn't cheating, whoop his ass, and show him who the true P4P champion is.

What are you guys talking about? Manny Pacquiao agreed to all of Floyd's demands, but Floyd rejected Manny's only demand. Roger Mayweather said that if they gave him a 5 days window, they wouldn't had any problems with it. Manny offered them 14 days, that's 9 more days than Roger Mayweather asked for, and Floyd and his team still declined and they wanted 24 days to recovered. How can anyone blame Manny Pacquiao? He did everything he could to made the fight happened, and Floyd and his camp still refuses to bend over.

Over 1200 punches. Wasnt tired. Still fast and strong. AFTER giving 2 TUBES of blood 19 days away from the Clottey fight. Myth R.I.P

your right about that, but i don't care what floyd thinks of Manny. The more important thing is the fight to happen. People can say what do they think, but what is important is the FACTS. Like I said, the idea is silly, but if you look at it, it may be a good option, just for the sake of the fight to happen. If Floyd wants to be CERTAIN, well thats his problem. At least Pac's giving him option. haha but this negotiation idea isn't a negotiation at all... it's completely one sided towards manny and in no way would it help the fight happen. it's like floyd saying "ok so you agree to 24 days to the fight and i agree to 14 so how about i change my stance back to 0 days." your idea is moving in the reverse direction to help this fight happen.

:pat: do you really need to take it word by word.. if Pac is being guarded for most part, why do the bodyguard needs to check until the bathroom? what I'm getting at, is that, if there's a representative as a "auditor/checker" or whatever during Manny's camp, and with all those urine testing, blood sample after the fight and 24 days before the fight. I feel Manny would now agree. Ofcourse this is a bullcrap idea, but heck, this will eliminate Manny's superstitions.. then will get to see the fight. what you aren't understanding is that your idea WON'T eliminate FLOYD'S or anyone elses suspicion about manny taking PEDs. Sure the body guard idea is good for manny's side, because he doesn't have to give blood. but you aren't considering floyds side. floyd is doing this because he wants to be CERTAIN that manny is not on anything illegal. the body guard idea does not make floyd CERTAIN that manny is not on anything illegal.

he had a few hits i liked but cant say i miss him lol bad career move. he should have stayed with the group. he would have lasted a lot longer.

its a superstition.. facts won't help you. If it was in the rule to begin with, then Pac will surely obey whether he feels it will weaken him or not. If Floyd is really serious about it, he can ask for help, say NSAC or WBO, instead of trying to urge Pacquiao to do it. millions believe in ghost, but its not true. millions believe in feng shui, but its not true either. few believes in reincarnation, mermaids, etc., etc.; not true either. basically, if or not Pac believes in this superstition, the fight is in Floyd's hand, if he wanted this fight to push through. And if he truely believes Manny is using something, well he can pay or stipulate in the contract, a bodyguard to check Manny 24/7. I'm pretty confident, this won't be an issue for Manny, for the sake of the fight to happen. so you're telling me you think pacquiao would agree to a contract where a body guard from the mayweather camp follows him around 24/7? even in his bedroom at night? even in the bathroom? because if the body guard is not literally with him 24 HOURS A DAY 7 DAYS A WEEK then pacquiao can still find a place and time to slip his PEDs in. I'm not saying he uses them but I'm saying the idea you stated is completely ignorant.

yah, pac had blood draw 19 days before the fight with clottey, that just goes to show you that its still within the 15 days that team pacq would allow...and it also goes to show that they will not let fraud jr dictate the blood testing date you do realize that the pac camp said they wouldn't give blood within 24 days of the fight right?

Anyone with a brain(excluding those who took no stance) already knew that Pac's camp were on some funny shit. They keep going in circles about the damn thing. Is there any way to send this video to ESPN?

13 urine samples...5 or more Blood testing to be performed up until 24 hours of the fight. This is the guidelines Floyd was asking...this is how The type of testing is done...POINTLESS THREAD no? please don't post when you have no idea what you're talking about.