Mayweather vs Mosley outsells >>> Any Pacquiao PPV (taking bets)

It really is, Floyd is making a concession on the money and Pacquiao needs to make the concession on the test. its well known pac makes more money globally than floyd in his fights, i guarantee you floyd will not take the smaller share outside of america pac does not have to take the test, just as hopkins or vitali klit did not have to take the test all pac needs to do is follow the normal boxing rules you are a smart man, you know floyd is ducking pac,when the test nonsense came out, the whispers of pac agreeing to it just to see if floyd would fight then led to floyd demanding more than 50-50 and now 100m why? because floyd is covering all angles to duck pac, he worries pac will agree to the stupid demand so he has made another stupid one of more than 50-50 and 100m simple logic, all floyd is doing is making excuses one guy is ready to fight while another cowers away in vegas, those are the hard facts mate

pac is perhaps at his peak now, remember pac was still rising in the ppv stature when floyd did his big number with mosley. imo pac is bigger now than he was against cotto and being a non american, being on cbs will make him even bigger no doubt pac is a bigger superstar, globally floyd is nothing compared to pac. its only natural with floyd being american, he will have the upper hand on the AMERICAN ppv market

Pacquiao IS a cash cow. Floyd is just a bigger one.

Now we got stugg saying Pacquiao Mosley will outsell Mayweather Mosley:pat:

Mayweather v.s Mosley outsold Pacquiao highest PPV thats why Floyd excepting the 50/50 split is a HUGE concession. Floyd really tried to make that fight happen I wish people would see that and call Manny out for ducking the fight NOPE. read whats above re: risk/reward. floyd is not giving HUGE concession as you see it. hes only after the returns. what hell be getting from a single fight with pacquiao he will not get from any other fighter.

I heard you on the show tonight..you handled it...dude was trying to combat your statement..nice job!

Mayweather v.s Mosley outsold Pacquiao highest PPV thats why Floyd excepting the 50/50 split is a HUGE concession. Floyd really tried to make that fight happen I wish people would see that and call Manny out for ducking the fight It really is, Floyd is making a concession on the money and Pacquiao needs to make the concession on the test.

Mayweather v.s Mosley outsold Pacquiao highest PPV thats why Floyd excepting the 50/50 split is a HUGE concession. Floyd really tried to make that fight happen I wish people would see that and call Manny out for ducking the fight

Are you a boxing fan or Floyd's accountant? You're not getting any of that money so why not stfu? :D I answered this question thousands of times...but I think to get a more in depth answer to your question, I will reference you to my dude's "andstill" thread addressing your concerns and question. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=382249 Pay-Per-View: A Love Story I often see people saying that they don’t care about PPV sales, etc. That’s fine. That is your opinion. Although I personally view that as a narrow-minded approach. But here is why Pay-Per-View is important Money drives Matchups: What is the single biggest driver (or obstacle) to why premier fights get made – or don’t get made? Money. And at the highest level of the sport, we are very often talking about that fight being on PPV. Whoever your favourite fighter may be - Pacquiao, Hatton, Mayweather, Hopkins, etc – at some point, he turned down a fight because the money wasn’t enough . Some examples? After Guzman beat Soto, Bob Arum said that Pacquiao wouldn’t fight Guzman because he needs to do 350K buys with Pacquiao, and Guzman wouldn’t facilitate/generate that. The Jones/Hopkins rematch should have happened much earlier. When it actually mattered. But the guys couldn’t get an agreement on the money. Avid fans will remember “60-40, I whup yo’ ass”. Shane Mosley’s career would have looked much different if he had opted to fight the Delahoya rematch, instead of going to Winky. But Shane was unhappy with the purse offer, and turned down what (at the time) would have been his biggest payday. Shane asked for a $10 million purse to face Mayweather at 137 pounds when Shane was a lightweight and Floyd was a SFW. In truth, other contributing factors included Shane’s struggle to make 135 much longer, and his desire to unseat Oscar’s primacy at 147. Mayweather felt that he deserved pay parity with Oscar on the discussed rematch to ‘The World Awaits’. It begs the question of whether (or how) Floyd would have actually ‘retired’ if he was able to negotiate that fight. These examples are meant to illustrate that almost all top fighters have monetary objectives in the sport. After all, as a famous man once said: It’s called prizefighting. Duh. You hear the term risk/reward…well, what reward do you think they are talking about? Nothing is Free HBO is the benefactor is the sport. It’s that simple. HBO pays the highest purses, puts on the most fights, has the most viewers, and has the most pull/influence with managers and promoters. Now, HBO has given you terrific fights on “free HBO” – their B.A.D. and WCB series (and let’s not forget KO Nation). But those programs don’t generate revenues for the channel. HBO basically pays big license fees to make these fights happen. Did you pay for Pavlik-Martinez? So, understand that HBO’s parent company is in the business of making money for its shareholders. They are not in the business of entertaining the small boxing community for free. As such, they need to make money. The way they make real money for both themselves, and their affiliates, is to put on big, successful PPV events. Did you enjoy watching the Angulo-Julio and Arreola-Adamek doubleheader last week? Well, who and what do you think funded that? When HBO Boxing puts on big, successful PPV’s, they generate money for TW Corporation, and can then request and be allocated a bigger budget. Without those PPV’s, the corporate parent looks at a dying sport and decides to instead invest in “John from Cincinnati” or some other drivel. The same way that TWC got rid of Lou Dobbs because he was more trouble than it was worth, the very same way they can end their association with boxing. Think of it as a nightclub that has no cover charge because they sell a ton of drinks at the bar. That bar is what keeps the cover charge and price of wings down. These people are in business, and the money has to come from somewhere. What happens when a business isn’t making money? Ratings, Ratings, Ratings As a sports fan in general (as many of you are – I see the discussions in the Lounge), you often hear about ratings. The NBA doesn’t want to see a Utah Jazz vs. Charlotte Bobcats Finals. The Super Bowl was the highest rated ever. The Yankees vs RedSox draw the most viewers. Etc. It is the reality of sports. And of television overall. Ratings are so important that they are reported the very next day (“overnights”). TV executives stress out over this stuff. Well, HBO isn’t a broadcast network, and doesn’t report to Nielsen in the traditional way. They are a subscription service. In business, in life, in everything, you measure what you value. And the way that you measure ratings for those big boxing events is via PPV sales. One of my favourite shows of all time was Arrested Development. Why did they cancel it? Not enough ratings. ........ There are a few more reasons…but I’ll stop now. The reason that some (many?) people get so upset about the PPV sales is that their favourite fighter may not sell as much as some rival fighter. But guess what? A rising tide lifts all boats. When Floyd or Pac sell big, it benefits Andre Berto and Lucian Bute also. Just like Tiger Woods’ ability to draw a big crowd and additional sponsors ultimately benefits Stewart Cink or the guy who is 93rd on the money list. If the reporting or discussion of PPV sales hurts your feelings or makes you angry, then stay out of those threads. Those threads are usually clearly labeled. And then ask yourself why you would view an important and fundamental part of the boxing business so negatively. If you are honest with yourself, I think you will find that particular emotion is not rooted in the purity of your love of the SPORT. If you love the SPORT, you want these fights (all of them) to sell big. Huge. Mammoth. Thanks for reading…enjoy the fight. :boxing:

By Ryan Burton After all the ticket sales were tallied, the May 1 Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Shane Mosley mega-fight produced the 10th largest paid gate in Nevada history. According to the Las Vegas Review Journal, the final paid figure was $11,032,100. The official paid attendance was 14,038. Closed circuit sales of an additional 12,879 seats generated another million dollars in revenue. Mike Tyson's rematch with Frank Bruno was bumped from Nevada's top ten. It produced a gate of $10,673,700 in 1996. $11,032,100

Actually, her sister is a FWB. The girl who gives me the nums is a chubette. But her sister has possible the tastiest pussy . Absolutely delicious. You know how almost every girl has a bit of tang? Even just a little? This chick is just wet and silky and just lovely. Which is strange because she drinks and smokes occasionally. ................... :?!: :no:

No comment of PPV income is... but if you consider this logic... KFC vs SSM is an all american fighter that only generate 1.4 while Pac vs Cotto both non american who surpass a 1M buys... 1.4 PPV is still good but, far from ODLH PPV fight at 2M buys. Being American does not help sell PPVs these days. Infact it may hurt. Besides Mayweather all of the recent top draws have had roots from other places that support them. Oscar has Roots in Mexico Tito had roots in PR Pac has roots in the Philippines. Who was the last American draw outside of Floyd with no outside roots? Also Cotto is the third biggest draw in boxing. Pac vs Cotto was two of the top three American PPV draws facing each other.

You forgot to watch the Judah fight :D Round 3 i believe :D:D sorry, that wasn't ruled a knockdown...

I wonder what will be people excuses when Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley outsells all of Pacquiao's PPV!!! Just curious, We know this next PPV will be all on Mayweather's back. In the words of Freddie Roach. "Shane is not a draw,Cotto is a bigger draw than Mosley." So when Mayweather vs. Mosley does better than Pacquiao vs. Cotto what will the reasoning be??? When Mayweather vs. Mosley does better than Pacquiao vs. De la hoya what will the reasoning be??? When Mayweather vs. Mosley does better than Pacquiao vs. Hatton what will the reasoning be??? When Mayweather vs. Mosley does better than any Pacquiao PPV fight what will the reasoning be??? Will some of guys still hold on to the myth that Pacquiao is still the cash cow in the sport?? I am taking any and all bets that Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley will beat any ppv fight Pacquiao has been invovled in. no hate just trying too stack my points up... damn u reed:damnit: No comment of PPV income is... but if you consider this logic... KFC vs SSM is an all american fighter that only generate 1.4 while Pac vs Cotto both non american who surpass a 1M buys... 1.4 PPV is still good but, far from ODLH PPV fight at 2M buys.

27 page thread about outselling another boxer. this forum needs to get a grip and talk boxing.

I have learned so much about the sport from you guys. Thank you. What pisses me off is that when I try to share some info that I have with the tiny pactards, they get so juvenile and homotional. Kinda how Blood says: there is some very knowledgeable posters around......but this Pactard vs Flomo thing has everyone down in the mud (me included) :D

Yes, sir. to be fair, it wasn't "my" estimate. She gave me the number based on the purchase history and the electronic buys. Thank "D" for the advance notice. See below: #1 05-03-2010, 07:58 PM And Still One Teaspoon Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,366 Rep Power: 5 Points: 114,370.16 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 114,370.16 Donate Early Mayweather/Mosley PPV buyrate projection is.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...1.4 - 1.5 million buys. I have a friend at a cable sompany. She works in the VoD group, but she always provides me with estimates. She said the final nums were a bit softer than last week's projections. She only has one region of the country, so they project nationals using a formula. It's an inexact science. If the numbers went crazy in one region, or certain metro areas, it could be a bit higher...or a bit lower. But she said to expect numbers that are generally in line with Delahoya-Pacquiao. Just some info. Don't ask me for a link. Ignore this info if it has zero credibility with you. No need for snarky commnets.... just sharing what I have. as http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=384081&highlight=early FWB or just a regular friend?? :D you should have bet some Pactards it would do 1.4-1.5 the day after.

I knew the 1.1 Mn number was wrong because one of my media partners gave me the estimate on Monday morning after the fight. yeah, the first reports are usually always wrong.

I knew the 1.1 Mn number was wrong because one of my media partners gave me the estimate on Monday morning after the fight. your estimate was 1.4 million if i recall correctly??

Because you are a shitty businessman. Any businessman with a modicum of understanding about the media would understand that the greater the popularity, the more likely we are to see more boxing on TV. Paid and unpaid. Floyd's popularity essentially uplifts the SPORT, you dumbfukk. Don't you enjoy seeing boxing in the mainstream press? Bro...seriously...you are trying to impart wisdom on people who cannot comprehend even basic logic or common sense.......you are shovelling shit up hill.