when you say quality, do you mean beating hatton who floyd had already beaten? DLH, who floyd had already beaten?
cotto who had been demolished and number #1 rating snatched from him by marg?
clottey, who lost to a demolished cotto who wasnt number #1. the same clottey who loses all his big fights?
i fail to understand exactly what pac has done. he didnt fight anyone that matters.
after floyd beats shane. he will be considered P4P#1 but experts, watch.
and i LMAO at Ring ranking pac as #1 WW...what a joke
what quality opponents are you talking about pactard
First of all idiot, I'm not even necessarily even a pacquiao fan. I do like his style and that he is not afraid to take risky fights.
You say he has never fought anyone that matters. I guess Morales and Barrera were nobody at the time. Only two of the toughest most skilled featherweights during that period.
Marquez was nobody when they fought so I guess You just discredited that fight for Floyd, at least he didn't make him jump two weight classes and come in overweight.
You say Clottey never won a big fight, well I guess Floyd gets credit for fighting Judah who has never shown up and lost every big fight he's ever been in, not ton mention he has to be one of the mentally weakest fighters ever. He also was coming off a loss to a journeyman with 9 losses in baldomir. Zab can have all the skill in the world but could never apply it in the big fights.
Maybe Gatti as old and war torn as he was, or maybe 9 loss baldomir, or lightweight Marquez, past his prime gun shy Oscar.
Yep you got me Floyd's opposition is much better. At least pacquiao had the balls to step up and fight the elite opposition at the time instead of retiring and avoiding them.
Its about his overall body of work. Floyd is one of the most skilled fighters in the world, but if he doesn't challenge himself on a consistant basis it means nothing. If he beats Shane and moves on and beats pacquiao ill give him all the credit in the world. He needs to worry about Mosley first because he could lose this fight.
You know nothing about me so just because I have a difference in opinion and dont completely agree with what you say doesn't make me a pactard. Take off your Floyd blinders and have an objective opinion, because Manny's not my favorite fighters
His body of work and opposition on a consistant basis make him #1, being the most skilled and fighting your first real test in years doesn't. That's my opinion and don't really give a sh*t if you agree or not, your entitled to your opinion.
Until someone beats pac or floyd went up to 154lbs and beat the likes of p.williams or martinez and pac keep fighting no name opponents then i have to consider floyd putting at #1 rank.
Agree.
Mosley will be a good win for Floyd, but we have to remember that Mosely hasn't fought in 17 months, and is almost 40 years old.
Pac's recent list of opponents trounces Mayweather's.
Well, every ranking is.
yeah but p4p is over all divisions. if someone is champ in a weightclass he needs to lose, move up or retire to lose the lineal title. nobody takes alphabet straps to serious when it comes to being #1 in a ceratain division. my point is its settled in the ring. u want a mans title take it.
p4p u can be at 135, and the p4p king is at 175. so saying a guy has to lose to lose his p4p title is just ignorant. now we are blessed enough for the top guys to be in the same division, but bcuz of the history of the p4p title they still dont have to meet, nor does pac has to lose for him to lose the p4p title.
i meant on p4p lists u just compare guys, in weightclasses they get it on. or they are supposed to anyways..
Floyd will give him a boxing lesson thats why Pac ducked him and the test .
Manny would have punished him, and like Floyd says: "There's nothing cool about getting beat up, and taking punishment." That's why HE ducked Pac.
p4p is an opinion.
floyd and pac both had times were they couldnt be questioned as p4p kings, but thats no longer the case. whoever wins between floyd and shane will have a very solid argument for p4p king.
some will stay with pac and some will switch their list up, id say no matter who u pick u cant say its by a landslide.