HORUS PRESENTS: WHY NoW???

What evidence do you have that he wouldn't take the test if the NSAC warranted it? You're making it seem like Pacquiao's running from the tests when repeatedly they've stated they'll take the tests, but Floyd is in no position to dictate who and what occurs in the testing, that's what the NSAC is there for. If Pacquiao denies taking tests the commission themselves warrant, wouldn't it look bad on Pacquiao and make him even more suspicious if he denied them (which he never has)? Once again, if Floyd was genuine about cleaning the sport he'd go about it in a professional manner and it would actually make the situation look much more serious than the rumors and the he say-she say bullshit that's been going on since the whole thing started. The pressure would solely be with Pacquiao in that case because Floyd THEN would be making a serious attempt and wouldn't just be excluding himself and Pacquiao, but the entire sport of Boxing. But he hasn't done that whatsoever... How about this if Pacquiao really just want the commission to handle the drug testing. And he is willing to take Random Drug Testing. How about Team Pacquiao and Top Rank go to any commission they want and ask that they conduct the random drug testing. That way they could prove they were never afraid of a Random Drug test and that they really want the commission to handle the drug testing. Because too me this sounds like an excuse. Bob Arum all of a sudden is now a follwer of commission rules is a joke too me. This is the same guy who use to pay off commission officals for rankings. Bob Arum is as crooked as it gets, and for him to be this commission following soldier is a joke.

FH: So there are lots of drugs that a fighter can take prior to competing that would be out of his systemp prior to the match? Goodman: There are many anabolic steroids that will do the same thing, it's just a question of when you stop them. How would somebody know all of this? The average person can go on the internet and type in 'half-life, anabolic steroids,' and they can get plenty of information as to how long these things stay in your system. And there are individuals out there who will design a program. They'll ask, 'When is your competition,' and they'll design a program to make sure that they'll get the benefits from the drugs, but the drugs won't be in their system when they're drug-tested. Obviously, the BALCO situation brought everything to a head. But there are many, many, many individuals out there who are physicians, who are chemists, who are working with athletes and designing special programs of what they need to take and when, when they need to stop it. And it's a very expensive process. But the average Joe can go on the internet and pull up a lot of this stuff too. There are books and journals and things like that that you can get that will lay it out for you on how to do it. http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/01/06/former-commission-doctor-says-blood-testing-feasable-for-boxing/ good post:boxing:

circumstantial evidence - roger and Sr, "that mother****er's on A-side Meth" Judge: "how do you know this" Roger and SR "th..thth-that mother****er's on Aside meth" Hard Evidence. Manny passing all tests from the commission. Been bored reading the long post ... but this cracked me up! Good one!

Rl_gma, do you really believe Pacquiao would take the test if the commission offer to host the testing? Based on what evdience? If Pacquiao doesnt want to take a drug test for 40 million dollars and to give the fans the fight of their lifetime. Then why should we assume that EVEN If NSAC made random drug testing a requirement. That Pacquiao would all of a sudden sign up for RANDOM drug testing with no cut off date???? Better believe Pacquiao will not fight in Neveda. On the grounds the NSAC is bias and you pacquiao fans would run with that line of argument. Then you guys would say why doesnt Floyd go to every commission in the world and make it a universal requirement that random drug test be required before a boxing match. And if Floyd did that... Pacquiao would probably retire claiming he has nothing to prove... and Floyd was scared to fight. and then you guys would run with that argument. How about Pacquiao take the 40 million and take the drug test and help clean up the sport and give the fans the fight of our lifetime. If anything is clear from all of this, it is that Pacquiao does not want to take a RANDOM drug test. Not even for 40 million dollars, which could help allot of poor people in the Phil. Hell to think about it, he doesnt want to take a drug test at all...Thats is probably why he fought in Texas. Where they dont drug test at all. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The two sides agreed to olympic style drug testing" - "They want olympic style drug testing and we said 'sure, no problem, what ever you want' . . . Our reaction is ,'So what?' we know Manny doesn't take any illegal drugs or anything and non of this is getting under Manny's skin or anything. . .to him its a joke, a laughing matter. . .why would we be concerned?" . . . then change their mind? wtf Then asks for a 5 day window. . . . "If they give me a five-day window or something like that I have no problem with it." - Roach and is instead given a 14 day window and turns it down claiming he now needs 24 days;only to follow that and say "the fight is dead"? What makes you think they will ever take a random drug test after all of the backtracking!!! What evidence do you have that he wouldn't take the test if the NSAC warranted it? You're making it seem like Pacquiao's running from the tests when repeatedly they've stated they'll take the tests, but Floyd is in no position to dictate who and what occurs in the testing, that's what the NSAC is there for. If Pacquiao denies taking tests the commission themselves warrant, wouldn't it look bad on Pacquiao and make him even more suspicious if he denied them (which he never has)? Once again, if Floyd was genuine about cleaning the sport he'd go about it in a professional manner and it would actually make the situation look much more serious than the rumors and the he say-she say bullshit that's been going on since the whole thing started. The pressure would solely be with Pacquiao in that case because Floyd THEN would be making a serious attempt and wouldn't just be excluding himself and Pacquiao, but the entire sport of Boxing. But he hasn't done that whatsoever...

FH: So there are lots of drugs that a fighter can take prior to competing that would be out of his systemp prior to the match? Goodman: There are many anabolic steroids that will do the same thing, it's just a question of when you stop them. How would somebody know all of this? The average person can go on the internet and type in 'half-life, anabolic steroids,' and they can get plenty of information as to how long these things stay in your system. And there are individuals out there who will design a program. They'll ask, 'When is your competition,' and they'll design a program to make sure that they'll get the benefits from the drugs, but the drugs won't be in their system when they're drug-tested. Obviously, the BALCO situation brought everything to a head. But there are many, many, many individuals out there who are physicians, who are chemists, who are working with athletes and designing special programs of what they need to take and when, when they need to stop it. And it's a very expensive process. But the average Joe can go on the internet and pull up a lot of this stuff too. There are books and journals and things like that that you can get that will lay it out for you on how to do it. http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/01/06/former-commission-doctor-says-blood-testing-feasable-for-boxing/

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The two sides agreed to olympic style drug testing" - "They want olympic style drug testing and we said 'sure, no problem, what ever you want' . . . Our reaction is ,'So what?' we know Manny doesn't take any illegal drugs or anything and non of this is getting under Manny's skin or anything. . .to him its a joke, a laughing matter. . .why would we be concerned?" . . . then change their mind? wtf Then asks for a 5 day window. . . . "If they give me a five-day window or something like that I have no problem with it." - Roach and is instead given a 14 day window and turns it down claiming he now needs 24 days;only to follow that and say "the fight is dead"? What makes you think they will ever take a random drug test after all of the backtracking!!!

If he's serious, he'll go to Congress and the commissions just like MLB did. You're not going to resolve anything by throwing subliminal shots. If Floyd really wanted to clean up the sport, his representatives would be meeting with the right people to get a new drug testing system in motion, especially being he lives in Vegas and the fight potentially would be there. Rl_gma, do you really believe Pacquiao would take the test if the commission offer to host the testing? Based on what evdience? If Pacquiao doesnt want to take a drug test for 40 million dollars and to give the fans the fight of their lifetime. Then why should we assume that EVEN If NSAC made random drug testing a requirement. That Pacquiao would all of a sudden sign up for RANDOM drug testing with no cut off date???? Better believe Pacquiao will not fight in Neveda. On the grounds the NSAC is bias and you pacquiao fans would run with that line of argument. Then you guys would say why doesnt Floyd go to every commission in the world and make it a universal requirement that random drug test be required before a boxing match. And if Floyd did that... Pacquiao would probably retire claiming he has nothing to prove... and Floyd was scared to fight. and then you guys would run with that argument. How about Pacquiao take the 40 million and take the drug test and help clean up the sport and give the fans the fight of our lifetime. If anything is clear from all of this, it is that Pacquiao does not want to take a RANDOM drug test. Not even for 40 million dollars, which could help allot of poor people in the Phil. Hell to think about it, he doesnt want to take a drug test at all...Thats is probably why he fought in Texas. Where they dont drug test at all. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The two sides agreed to olympic style drug testing" - "They want olympic style drug testing and we said 'sure, no problem, what ever you want' . . . Our reaction is ,'So what?' we know Manny doesn't take any illegal drugs or anything and non of this is getting under Manny's skin or anything. . .to him its a joke, a laughing matter. . .why would we be concerned?" . . . then change their mind? wtf Then asks for a 5 day window. . . . "If they give me a five-day window or something like that I have no problem with it." - Roach and is instead given a 14 day window and turns it down claiming he now needs 24 days;only to follow that and say "the fight is dead"? What makes you think they will ever take a random drug test after all of the backtracking!!!

Everyone knows the comissioner would favor Pacquiao's team side, and it would make them look bad too. At this time and era, we need better testing. Period!

Pac doesn't mind random drug testing as long as it is a policy of the Commission. Floyd isn't the Commission. Floyd has already built-in advantages over Manny: height, reach, natural weight. Yet, Floyd is hesitant to fight him because of an unfounded fear of drug use. Take away that fear and what physical advantages does Pac have?

Yes, why not now? There's always a 'first time'. like i said in my post, Anytime there is change people will always ask why now? And usually those are the people who like thing just the way they are.

Yes, why not now? There's always a 'first time'.

Why after all these years of tolerating and accepting the commission drug testing rules has the Mayweather decided that now is the time to deal with steroid and ped‘s usage in boxing? Here is the answer. The threat is real. 1. The quest for an Advantage As the effects of Steroids & PED's continued to be debated, One outcome that the history of PED's and Steroids in sports today has given us is that as long as the REWARD out weigh the RISK in terms of taking and using Steroids & PED's versus the punishment. They are going to be people who take them to get the advantage. Having the advantage in professional sports is close to a unmeasurable variable that can only be weigh by it's risk/reward benefit. *This is why you see, athletes working out and preparing in the OFF-season when they should be resting and recovering from the regular and post season. TO GET A ADVANTAGE *This is why you see, athletes battles the elements of high altitudes, cold winds, hot temperatures, and etc. TO GET A ADVANTAGE *This is why you see, athletes separate themselves from their spouses and children during intense training because for them they need all the focus they can get in order TO GET A ADVANTAGE TO GET A ADVANTAGE is how drugs like steroids and PED's, creeps into the equation. Although the users out there whose intent maybe harmless, the ramifications however of their actions in some cases are criminal. 2. Ordinary athletes to Extraordinary athletes In theory, the people who are seeing the most rewards from using ped's & steroids. Are already extraordinary athletes when comparing them to the entire population. Less than a percent of a percent of a percent of people in the world are actually talented enough to participate in professional sports. Meaning they are extremely gifted already, as a result if someone where to add power, speed, or endurance to an already extremely gifted athlete. What you now have is not just an improved athlete, but in some cases in deadly weapon. Imagine adding power,speed,and endurance to a athlete like a young Mike Tyson, Barry Bonds, Adrian Peterson, Lebron James, Marion Jones, etc, etc. The the ramifications of what these kind of athletes could do to their opponents in the arena of competition should be unthinkable. However, due to the high usage of these drugs in this era we now understand. That PED's and steroids in majority of these cases work. Not only do they work, the turn ordinary athletes to extraordinary athletes. Furthermore, they turn once formidable competition into in boxing terms "sparring partners." What makes this problem so serious is that the drugs that the users are now taking can not be detected with announce testing in majority of the cases. examples: Mark McGuire, Marion Jones, Shane Mosley, Jose Canseco. All known drugs users, however none of them ever tested positive for a drug test. This is why there does not need to be no proven link between a positive test with steroids and PED's before we can have legitimate concerns about who could be possibly using these drugs. Such as the argument for Manny Pacquiao. We as sports fans need to recognize that sports would improved and become is a lot safer place if athletes with the talent of Manny Pacquiao, and Floyd Mayweather are denied such advantages that PED's and steroids can offer through the actual threat of being caught through complete random drug testing.Then the REWARD would not be worth the RISK of being caught . 3. Anytime there is change people will always ask why now? And usually those are the people who like thing just the way they are. The question still remains, Why Manny Pacquiao? Why ask for this new drug testing for this fight and not previous fights? Simple. Effective change in drug testing is impossible without effective precedence followed by even MORE effective momentum. Put simply, the world of boxing would know that a new era has began when it come to better drug testing because the 2 bigger stars in the sport had made serious part of the fight. As would be the case with Mayweather vs. Pacquiao. Do some research. Anytime there is change people will always ask why now? And usually those are the people who like thing just the way they are. :thumbsdow So instead of asking why now?, how about asking why not now? If he's serious, he'll go to Congress and the commissions just like MLB did. You're not going to resolve anything by throwing subliminal shots. If Floyd really wanted to clean up the sport, his representatives would be meeting with the right people to get a new drug testing system in motion, especially being he lives in Vegas and the fight potentially would be there.

"What he needed was another helping of tinolang manok — the chicken-broth soup with special leaves from his native Philippines that he eats for almost every meal, that has bulked him up through seven different weight classes," Read more: http://www.esquire.com/the-side/feature/manny-pacquiao-next-fight-031510#ixzz0iGQjm6uY Steroids^ :rofl:

Circumstantial Evidence 1.Head within the span of 3 years got bigger just like bonds, Mccgwire, etc 2.Increase his speed and power as he moved up in weight in a span of 2 years. 3.Knock out ratio went up as he went up in weigh and as he got older instead of going down 4.Turned down 40 million dollars, with 5 different explanations none which made sense. 5.Sued Mayweather, but not Cintron, Campbell, Paulie, and others etc. 1. The first is just conjecture unless you have some measurement. It barely counts as circumstantial evidence and would only be admissable in court if you were an expert, which I think I'm fair to assume you're not. 2. Your opinion on his speed is very questionable. Your opinion on his power is easily explained by increased weight. Again, it doesn't count as circumstantial evidence unless provided by an expert. 3. We seem to have a pattern. An opinion on Pacquiao that classifies as very weak circumstantial evidence even if provided from an expert. His increased knockout ratio could be explained by Pacquiao fighting at a more natural weight. 4. Which five different explanations? 5. Scratch this one. Pacquiao has sued the highest profile accuser. This is extremely common in issues of slander. Three of your points barely count as circumstantial evidence, one does not and one you haven't properly explained. This is hardly circumstantial evidence like proving a gun owned by someone is definately a murder weapon. Let me make it clear by the way, that I don't know whether Pacquiao uses PEDs or not, but as there isn't a shred of hard evidence and barely a slither of circumstantial evidence against him, I'm inclined to think he isn't for the time being.

The TS is one delusional guy. Don't waste your time arguing with him because it only feeds his insanity.

If we want to go off motives....it was because he knew physcologically it'd bother Manny. He clearly blamed losing to Morales because they took his blood and it weakened him. It was not to duck the fight. He came back to fight Pacquiao. He's getting ridiculed for the "supposedly ducking" he did in the past. I agree and also suspect that he was setting up an excuse for whenever the outcome of the fight turns out not to favor him. In my opinion, he overplayed the PEDs card. I like how Larry Holmes puts it, go get the money first then make a big deal out of it (PEDs) later.

I don't think that is what is being argued... It's more of Floyd's motives for demanding OST and how genuine it is. If Floyd was sincere about "cleaning up boxing" then he should have done more than defaming Manny and therefore killing the fight of the decade. If we want to go off motives....it was because he knew physcologically it'd bother Manny. He clearly blamed losing to Morales because they took his blood and it weakened him. It was not to duck the fight. He came back to fight Pacquiao. He's getting ridiculed for the "supposedly ducking" he did in the past.

People are acting like Pacquiao is the only one taking the test, Mayweather is too.... I don't think that is what is being argued... It's more of Floyd's motives for demanding OST and how genuine it is. If Floyd was sincere about "cleaning up boxing" then he should have done more than defaming Manny and therefore killing the fight of the decade.

People are acting like Pacquiao is the only one taking the test, Mayweather is too....