look at how easy Pacquiao beats defensive fighters

no. what i am saying tho, is that if you look at the first four rounds of the judah fight, and look at how clottey got beat yesterday, and assume manny's gonna walk over mayweather, you're mistaken. there's a reason why roach said march was too soon, and he'd need time to prepare for floyd's style.....meanwhile they signed to fight clottey within 2 months of the fight. floyd will beat manny, IMO, but it'll be very interesting, and both guys will have their moments, but being able to adapt and think and change on the fly, is far more valuable than relying on beating everybody the same way. i'm looking at both of their styles. mayweather does terrible against southpaws for one. he gets hit a lot vs them and might get hurt or knocked out. he mostly uses single shots which may land against pac but won't even be enough to win the fight. he's gotta counter then come forward and put some punishment on pac like morales did but i don't think floyd has that in him. pac is now waiting for the counters as well. he used to just back up and play defense but now when someone throws a combo at him he's always ready to fire back like when he floored marquez in the second fight or the second cotto knockdown

so you are saying floyd will win no matter what while i am giving reasons why pac will beat him. great argument we got going here. no. what i am saying tho, is that if you look at the first four rounds of the judah fight, and look at how clottey got beat yesterday, and assume manny's gonna walk over mayweather, you're mistaken. there's a reason why roach said march was too soon, and he'd need time to prepare for floyd's style.....meanwhile they signed to fight clottey within 2 months of the fight. floyd will beat manny, IMO, but it'll be very interesting, and both guys will have their moments, but being able to adapt and think and change on the fly, is far more valuable than relying on beating everybody the same way.

I figured this dude would get banned soon.

Floyd is a different animal than Clottey. Against a volume puncher, blocking isn't enough as far as defense is concerned. Floyd brings movement and more speed than Clottey. No way can you say last night is relevant to how Pac does against Floyd. why did floyd resort to a hands up blocking type of style against judah? cause he couldn't handle judah's speed or his southpaw stance and he doesn't like to get hit so he shelled up. obviously that worked against judah but it won't against pac cause we just saw that fight and pac doesn't fade.

basically what you're saying is, pac will fight one way for 12 rounds, while floyd will adapt if what he does isn't working...... and i agree! so you are saying floyd will win no matter what while i am giving reasons why pac will beat him. great argument we got going here.

yeah, pac gets hit, but he dominated clottey with his workrate. any fighter that is too defensive minded will be too scared to throw their own shots. Floyd is a different animal than Clottey. Against a volume puncher, blocking isn't enough as far as defense is concerned. Floyd brings movement and more speed than Clottey. No way can you say last night is relevant to how Pac does against Floyd.

:haha::stupid::haha: I think daggum is being sarcastic.

yes i know he changed his style to that of clotteys cause his normal style wasn't even good enough to beat judah. and pac is live for the first 12 rounds. basically what you're saying is, pac will fight one way for 12 rounds, while floyd will adapt if what he does isn't working...... and i agree!

judah was live for the first 4 rounds, then he was getting tagged at will....got frustrated and resorted to low blows. what you pointed out tho, was floyd's ability to adapt and change styles in-fight. thanks! yes i know he changed his style to that of clotteys cause his normal style wasn't even good enough to beat judah. and pac is live for the first 12 rounds.

floyd had to change his normal shoulder roll defense agaisnt judah cause he was getting tagged at will. he changed his style to clottey's. gloves up coming forward. but judah is better than pac. pac's just a bum. judah was live for the first 4 rounds, then he was getting tagged at will....got frustrated and resorted to low blows. what you pointed out tho, was floyd's ability to adapt and change styles in-fight. thanks!

yeah, pac gets hit, but he dominated clottey with his workrate. any fighter that is too defensive minded will be too scared to throw their own shots. You need to watch more boxing.

but judah is better than pac. pac's just a bum. :haha::stupid::haha:

Something that every opponent Clottey faced wasn't able to. Dominate. he was so dominate that clottey looked fresh after the fight where as manny looked exausted and beat up

Something that every opponent Clottey faced wasn't able to. Dominate. Clottey let Pacquiao dominate him he didn't throw any punches

clottey admitted that he didn't want to open up because pac was too fast styles make fights... volume puncher > counterpuncher put pwill againt any counterpuncher and they will usually lose. he said pac was fast thats it but you made it seem like he was worried about pacquiao's power and clottey still landed the cleaner punches where most of pacs punches are punches that people assume landed

floyd had to change his normal shoulder roll defense agaisnt judah cause he was getting tagged at will. he changed his style to clottey's. gloves up coming forward. but judah is better than pac. pac's just a bum.

what did floyd do that was so special against baldomir? run a marathon? I'm just making threads, same as flomos... If mods want, they can merge all these pac and floyd threads. in fact, i highly recommend it and desire it naw he but on boxing clinic and at least baldomir tried to fight back Clottey didn't even throw any punches and when he did Pacquiao got hit

pull you're better than this. i'm loving how you're attempting to lump ALL defensive fighters and ALL counter-punchers together. some guys go into a shell to keep from being hit, and counter when they can open up. some guys slip punches, make you miss, and counter you while you're off balance.

what did Pacquiao do that was so special throw a lot punches at guy that wasn't throwing any back? Something that every opponent Clottey faced wasn't able to. Dominate.

clottey admitted that he didn't want to open up because pac was too fast styles make fights... volume puncher > counterpuncher put pwill againt any counterpuncher and they will usually lose. like spinks-mayorga? and pwill just lost to a counterpuncher....