Can't Have It Both Ways, Either U Support Random DRUG Testing or U Don't!!!

if you believe that it has been only since dec of 09 when people started asking for better drug testing in the sport... then my dude wake up. I keep hearing the dumb ass argument of why Manny Pacquiao? As if Manny Pacquiao is above taking a drug test like everyone else. As if Manny Pacquiao didnt make himself look suspicious by making irrational excuses as to why he can not take a RANDOM drug test. But still I can hear people saying why ask for this new drug testing for this fight and not previous fights? Simple. Effective change in drug testing is impossible without effective precedence followed by even MORE effective momentum. Put simply, the world of boxing would know that a new era has began when it come to better drug testing because the 2 biggest stars in the sport had made it a serious part of the fight to undergo RANDOM drug testing. As would be the case with Mayweather vs. Pacquiao. However, Pacquiao did not step to the plate and therefore put his entire career under suspicion. Because in this era of sports. Anybody who refuses to take the best ped test. Might has well tested positive. Because there is no room for the benefit of the doubt when it comes to athletes and PED'S Do some research. Anytime there is change people will always ask why now? And usually those are the people who like thing just the way they are. So instead of asking why now?, how about asking why not now? Mayweather vs. Mosley is under OST. and guess what has happen. As a result, the NYSAC has now decided to review their policies. LOL c'mon man...I live in NY. The only reason they're even mentioning that is because they want Mayweather to fight there eventually. You think they're gonna test Malignaggi and Khan in OST in May? or Cotto and Foreman in June? No...WHY? Because they're not Floyd Mayweather. It's a business bro, the NYSAC aren't working for UNICEF. Plus, reviewing their protocols doesn't equate to them actually physically changing anything. You assume a little much sometimes. Many state commissions on a daily basis review implementing changes in the way they handle procedures whether it's drug testing or what have you. My point is that the uproar about it now is solely based on the whole ordeal with Pacquiao and Mayweather.

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I'm all for the commissions of each State mandating a new testing protocol, but I just find it funny how everyone NOW is on this tip about cleaning the sport when guys like Fernando Vargas were using steroids in 2002 and prior, yet there wasn't an uproar about changing the testing protocols then. I genuinely think the majority of people want Pacquiao tested more than people wanting the actual sport to be clean stemming from either their dislike of Pacquiao or their allegiance to being a Mayweather fan (of course, people won't outright admit that). It doesn't help the cause when there are at least 3-4 marquee fights coming up in the sport prior to Mayweather vs Mosley, yet only that fight and a potential Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight are the ones with the OST. Until I see some real action from the State commissions offices in whichever state is hosting a Boxing event to move forward following suite, I think it's just something Mayweather wants for his fights. if you believe that it has been only since dec of 09 when people started asking for better drug testing in the sport... then my dude wake up. I keep hearing the dumb ass argument of why Manny Pacquiao? As if Manny Pacquiao is above taking a drug test like everyone else. As if Manny Pacquiao didnt make himself look suspicious by making irrational excuses as to why he can not take a RANDOM drug test. But still I can hear people saying why ask for this new drug testing for this fight and not previous fights? Simple. Effective change in drug testing is impossible without effective precedence followed by even MORE effective momentum. Put simply, the world of boxing would know that a new era has began when it come to better drug testing because the 2 biggest stars in the sport had made it a serious part of the fight to undergo RANDOM drug testing. As would be the case with Mayweather vs. Pacquiao. However, Pacquiao did not step to the plate and therefore put his entire career under suspicion. Because in this era of sports. Anybody who refuses to take the best ped test. Might has well tested positive. Because there is no room for the benefit of the doubt when it comes to athletes and PED'S Do some research. Anytime there is change people will always ask why now? And usually those are the people who like thing just the way they are. So instead of asking why now?, how about asking why not now? Mayweather vs. Mosley is under OST. and guess what has happen. As a result, the NYSAC has now decided to review their policies.

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I'm all for the commissions of each State mandating a new testing protocol, but I just find it funny how everyone NOW is on this tip about cleaning the sport when guys like Fernando Vargas were using steroids in 2002 and prior, yet there wasn't an uproar about changing the testing protocols then. I genuinely think the majority of people want Pacquiao tested more than people wanting the actual sport to be clean stemming from either their dislike of Pacquiao or their allegiance to being a Mayweather fan (of course, people won't outright admit that). It doesn't help the cause when there are at least 3-4 marquee fights coming up in the sport prior to Mayweather vs Mosley, yet only that fight and a potential Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight are the ones with the OST. Until I see some real action from the State commissions offices in whichever state is hosting a Boxing event to move forward following suite, I think it's just something Mayweather wants for his fights.

Horus made to look like an idiot in his own thread,as per usual :footinmou The only people who would even suggest I am being made to look like a idiot in this thread, are people want to have both ways

Why are people so defensive about Manny taking a test? Imagine someone telling the police they should not take the breathalizer because they have not been drinking. Imagine random drug testing at your job and you tell your boss you refuse to take a drug test because you dont do drugs. Imagine telling a defense lawyer you refuse to take a lie detector test because your innocent. Imagine telling a creditor he cant run a credit check on you because your credit is good. Pac is a man like any other. It just dont add up. No need for this :hail:. lol:haha: and whats is worst is that some fans that Pacquiao should not be under speculation at all.

Pacquiao fans are the true definition of Blind Followers. They will denounce a A GREAT precedence for drug testing in boxing which would be great for the sport in order to not have too simply criticized their fighter... ****ING PLAIN AND SIMPLE. MAJORITY OF HIS FANBASE OPERATES LIKE A CULT. I have to agree with this.I have red K's on here exclusively from these "fans" that act like a pack of wolves.If you have a problem with any excuse or lack of logic that they have,they will try to call you "flomo",etc.They have a difficult time understanding that more than just "Floyd's fans" are questioning why Manny and his team have made every excuse under the sun when it comes to randomized drug testing through blood. Manny had no problem "bullying" Floyd into catering to every whim and desire (that would exclusively benefit Manny,not BOTH fighters, in a fight) with the negotiations. In fact,Manny usually has issues over money when it comes to negotiations-but now it is against strict randomized blood testing for PED's (just look at his last several fight negotiations-there has always been some drama with Pacquiao),but since Floyd catered to him on everything-a smaller ring size,smaller gloves,money split, (this all shows that Manny wanted advantages with glove size-he believes smaller gloves will magnify his power- and a ring size that Floyd would have to abandon a more evasive style-both in Manny's favour),they had to throw out a LARGE detouring penalty amount-the largest in history-especially considering Floyd has never went above the welter weight limit in his welter fights and if he went over the WW limit-this fight would not be allowed anyways-penalty or not!!! When Manny's team couldn't scare Floyd away with all of these demands that would favour Manny,then they ran away with the drug testing excuse and tried to make a lawsuit of it (yet this could be more a publicity stunt,as Manny's lawyer is NOT a specialist with defamation/libel cases).Instead of negotiating further,Manny and Arum ran away and signed a fight that they felt would get Manny used to a right handed counter-puncher,as he has only fought left handed fighters until 5 fights ago!!! It is obvious that Manny needed time to practice and get used to a style that made him look absolutely horrible and he nearly lost against (he lost 2 times against Marquez imo and Freddie Roach had expressed concern about such a soon fight date,because he wanted plenty of time to train against a style like Floyd-in his words)...yet somehow these idiots seem to think Floyd is scared to fight Manny (a guy who is a pattern fighter)... A few questions people need to ask themselves to find out who ran/ducked this fight- 1-who signed a fight FIRST after the negotiations were deteriorating? 2-who wanted the longer time to train for a certain style they looked bad against previously? 3-COULD the requests Manny made (smaller gloves for a WW fight,smaller ring size, $10,000,000 weight penalty against someone who never exceeded the weight limit in a ww fight) be perceived as ways to detour Floyd from a March fight??? IMO,it looks like they tried to scare Floyd out of taking a fight with Manny,and when they couldn't achieve this,then they ran away-in fact,they were looking at (and talking to other fighters) other fighters to fight WHILE still in "serious" negotiations with Floyd.You don't have to be a genius to see what has went on.

meh... atleast he isn't taking xylocaine which is illegal in 49 states lols just messin with ya... TROLLIN!!!! Honestly-why post the same drivel you do? Can you show a shred of evidence that xylocaine is illegal a week before the fight? In fact,can you show any evidence where Floyd has used it on the day of the fight? At least have a coherent debate to your bias with Manny. If Floyd backed out of the negotiations because of the outrageous $10,000,000 weight penalty,would you say Manny was being unreasonable?There are severe double standards here-they don't make you look reasonable,they make you look like a sheepish follower...

floyd is a great fighter, but he needs to stop abusing xylocaine... especially since it is illegal in 49 states lols... trollin!!! LOL....funny reply.

So you are telling me that YOU think that Mayweather vs. Mosley should be tested under Olympic Style Testing which is not required by the commission? my apologies. i meant it should be tested under the regular commission standards.. unless, the commission changed the testing to olympic style, no fighter should have to test under anything else.

Post a link in which it shows xylocaine is illegal a week before the fight! in any state.!!! and i will give you 50k Mayweather has never used xylocaine for a fight. Xylocaine is legal in every state and under all drug testing agencies. wada,usda,etc. a week before fights If Pacquiao doesnt want to take a drug test for 40 million dollars. EVEN If NSAC make random drug testing a requirment. Better believe Pacquiao will not fight in Neveda If anything is clear from all of this, is that he does not want to take a RANDOM drug test. Hell he doesnt want to test at all...Thats why he is probably fighting in Texas meh... atleast he isn't taking xylocaine which is illegal in 49 states lols just messin with ya... TROLLIN!!!!

floyd is a great fighter, but he needs to stop abusing xylocaine... especially since it is illegal in 49 states lols... trollin!!! Post a link in which it shows xylocaine is illegal a week before the fight! in any state.!!! and i will give you 50k Mayweather has never used xylocaine for a fight. Xylocaine is legal in every state and under all drug testing agencies. wada,usda,etc. a week before fights If Pacquiao doesnt want to take a drug test for 40 million dollars. EVEN If NSAC make random drug testing a requirment. Better believe Pacquiao will not fight in Neveda If anything is clear from all of this, is that he does not want to take a RANDOM drug test. Hell he doesnt want to test at all...Thats why he is probably fighting in Texas

floyd is a great fighter, but he needs to stop abusing xylocaine... especially since it is illegal in 49 states lols... trollin!!!

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"You're either with us, or you're with 'the terrorists'!" Read the whole Post. Can't Have It Both Ways, Either U Support Random DRUG Testing or U Don't!!! Horus 3/6/2010 Why do some of you who didnt want Pacquiao to take random drug test care or let alone why do some of you want Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosley to take Olympic Style Drug testing if you do not want Pacquiao taking Olympic Style Drug testing? Why do you care or why do you want Golden Boy fighters to take Olympic Style Drug testing if you do not want Pacquiao taking Olympic Style Drug testing? In short why are some of you guys asking anybody to take the best possible drug test, if you do not want your own fighter taking that test? IMAGINE: If the Bi-Sexuals demanded and ask along side Heterosexual's that Homosexuals not be able to have the same rights as Heterosexual's...? or If the Bi-Sexuals demanded and ask along side Heterosexuals that Homosexuals identify themselves in public with the Capital Letter "H" like Hester Prynne in the Scarlet Letter with Capital Letter "A" ! You see the hypocrisy and contradiction that exist in those demands?:twak: How can you say Pacquiao should not be random drug tested and then ask for other fighters to be random drug tested ?:nonono: So from now on, I think Pacquiao fans or people who supports or supported pacquiao decision not to take the best possible drug test in the World. Should Not Make demands for other fighters to take test they themselves would not want their fighter to take...! BE CONSISTENT, IF YOU DO NOT WANT THE RANDOM DRUG TEST FOR PACQUIAO, DO NOT ASK FOR THE TEST FOR ANYBODY ELSE. :cool2:

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