The most amazing thing about Pacquiao is that he is doing something only two fighters, that I know of, in the history of the sport has done which is fight two weight classes above his normal weight and dominate elite fighters. Most guys may grow into a weight class etc....but Pac is a 135lb dominating WW's. Only other time I can think of was when Robinson was a big WW but going up and dominated MW's and when Armstrong was at 126 and was going up and beating LW's and small WW's. I say this because I'm blown away with the thought that most on this site think Manny against Margarito, Clottey, and Mosley would be complete wipeouts. I don't but to believe that a guy who should be at 135 can go up and dominate huge WW's is mindblowing.
I been following Pacs career longer then then some of his fanboys on this site have.
Thats fight night weight. Im talking about what he stepped on the scales as.
People on here are hyping Pac up saying that hes a light weight if thats the case then they must agree hes on ped's. Because no light weight can beat Cotto not even a shot one.
it doesnt matter what he stepped on the scales as. there are many legal and illegal supplements that help people lose water and etc. the real weight of what he REALLY weighs is fight night weight.
well a former lightweight did in fact beat cotto. cotto was always beatable. look at how they got mad shook daddy after torres put cottos chin under a microscope. all runners for like 3x at least.
dont feel bad you drank the kool aid, many do at some point.
Right but that is unofficial right? You don't know under what circumstances Pac unofficial wieght was. Because, we don't see the unofficial weigh-ins. So lets just focus on what is official for a second.
When Pac fought Oscar in Dec 2008 at 147. Pac official weigh-in was 142.
When Pac fought Hatton in May 2009 at 140. Pac official weigh-in was 138.
When Pac fought Cotto in Nov 2009 at a catchweight of 145. Pac official weigh-in was 144.
all unofficial means is there are no camera's and no guy with a name tag signing a bullshit form on a clipboard. those numbers are legit or they wouldnt show them.
so just add 15 to all those numbers and thats a good guess since that is what he was doing at lower weight.
that his fans really think he has a shot at beating floyd mayweather jr....what the **** are they on? stop being on it right now----
why of course a-side meth, havent you heard roger mayweather?
The most amazing thing is how people say he beat great fighters and Floyd hasn't. They both beat the same guys so go figure. The most amazing thing about Pac is how he won fighter of the decade when I saw Morrales beat his ass and May didn't lose a fight so go figure. What is also amazing is how he weight drain fighters and still get credit for the wins. He ducked Mayweather because he didn't want to be blood tested. He ducked foreman because he is too tall. He ducked a third marquez fight. He ducked mosley because as roach would say (he is too good). He won't take blood test because Floyd is bigger than him lol. Amazing
you my friend are totally spot on:notworthy
he was not bigger than cotto.
he wasn't stronger until cotto got wore down.
When I seen them face to face about to touch gloves I stood up and said " What the fukk".
Cotto was not bigger then him. Manny was wide as hell especially across his back.
http://morningwould.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/pacquiao-cotto.jpg
JMM is not great at 135 though, he can possibly beat everybody there. But, he has not proven to be great at 135.
I mean Valero-Cotto at 145
Valero-Cotto at 145.
I think that would be too much weight for Valero. Especially right now.
But at 140 Valero knocks Cotto senseless.
But, Cotto punches was telegraphed and again Cotto is not a power puncher he is a heave handed puncher... Yes Cotto busted Pac ear drum but Pac was blocking most punches. And, again when you can see the punches coming you take them better...
I just think it is a stupid statement to say if Pac is a lightweight then he is on PED for beating Cotto... Just my opinion...
Right. So Pac was bigger and stronger then Cotto right?
I just picked a random LW. Marquez is no joke at that weight though. Hes the Number 1 135 Pounder for a reason.
Valero-Cotto. You mean at 140.
JMM is not great at 135 though, he can possibly beat everybody there. But, he has not proven to be great at 135.
I mean Valero-Cotto at 145
He was hit flush though. He didnt get a busted ear drum from pitty pat punches. Floyd aint laying on the ropes inviting Pavlik to punch him either. If you say hes a lightweight I say hes on Peds.
He was not a lightweight in there. He was bigger, stronger and faster then Cotto.
But, Cotto punches was telegraphed and again Cotto is not a power puncher he is a heave handed puncher... Yes Cotto busted Pac ear drum but Pac was blocking most punches. And, again when you can see the punches coming you take them better...
I just think it is a stupid statement to say if Pac is a lightweight then he is on PED for beating Cotto... Just my opinion...
JMM is not considered a great LW... He went life and death at 135 against an old shot Casa and Juan Diaz.... JMM is a good LW who showed LW was his limit...
I think that is a bad comparison...
How do you think a Valero-Cotto fight at 135 will look? And, keep in mind Valero is not even as fast as Pac, Or as polished as Pac.
I just picked a random LW. Marquez is no joke at that weight though. Hes the Number 1 135 Pounder for a reason.
Valero-Cotto. You mean at 140.
quit trolling.
try to make sense once in a while. it's tiring when you do it 24/7
i'm talking about the people on this site , idiot.
just don't talk about what you know and how long you've been following the sport.
your knowledge of things is quite apparent to everyone.
how old are you? 21-22? you've been following the sport since when? 19-20?
give me a break.
We are in here talking boxing and being respectful to each other even Pull counter who I dont like is not being a dikk. Grow up. Comment on the thread or kick rocks. If not I can put you on ignore and you can post about" Burner" all to urself.
23 years old. I been a fan of boxing since I was 6. Problem?
Jro is 25.
Its not hard to do research, watch tapes and get caught up.
Have a nice night.
No way. You put JMM vs. Cotto he gets stopped in 4 rounds.
Not to mention Pac wasnt anything close to 135 on fight night.
JMM is not considered a great LW... He went life and death at 135 against an old shot Casa and Juan Diaz.... JMM is a good LW who showed LW was his limit...
I think that is a bad comparison...
How do you think a Valero-Cotto fight at 135 will look? And, keep in mind Valero is not even as fast as Pac, Or as polished as Pac.
we don't know how much Floyd comes in at, his weight come fight time is never taken. He said he was 147 against Marquez. Either he's lieing or he just used the "not making weight" as a ploy to make Pacquiao scared.
That is not at all true.
That is not a sure thing though.... Even though I might be considered as a Floyd hater. Which is absurd but that is a whole other thing. Floyd chin is severly underrated, Floyd strenght is underrated, and Floyd toughness is underrated.
Also though Cotto was never a power puncher, Cotto was never a 1 punch KO artist, Cotto is a more heavy handed fighter who wears you down...
Also Pac saw Cotto punches and blocked a lot of the punches. Is not like Pac was getting hit flushed repeatidly against Cotto... And, most of Cotto punches were telegraphed...
He was hit flush though. He didnt get a busted ear drum from pitty pat punches. Floyd aint laying on the ropes inviting Pavlik to punch him either. If you say hes a lightweight I say hes on Peds.
He was not a lightweight in there. He was bigger, stronger and faster then Cotto.
No way. You put JMM vs. Cotto he gets stopped in 4 rounds.
Not to mention Pac wasnt anything close to 135 on fight night.
jmm is a great featherweight imho... but not a great lightweight
lmao a lot of pac's fan boys have been following him since 2001 or 2003. the pinoys probably before that.
just debate and post your opinions. no need to talk all big "i've been following boxing so-so long" , "i know more than anyone" , "i've been following so-so fighter longer"
people can tell how knowledgable guys are by their opinions and how they talk.
I said on this site. Go re-read my post. Thx.