Doug Fischer: "Pac-Mosley is more beneficial for boxing than Pac-Floyd"

A brawl could capture many people's attention, but that doesn't mean they would stick around and appreciate the sweet science...they may then watch another fight and think "boxing is crap and boring" etc

http://static.flickr.com/28/56316894_b057ec2482.jpg What a tool Fights in which Floyd supposedly "ran": ODLH, Baldomir and Castillo total fights 40; Knockouts 25; yet he's a "runner" hilarious

Do you know how much Pac-Hatton did? It doesn't say... I thought Pac-Hatton did 850k? 850 925 is what I remember

I do think Hatton had a loyal fanbase that would follow him everywhere. Which did with the lesser fights. But, i also think you add Floyd then even his fans who did not follow him for the lesser fights will follow him for that fight. It just a bigger fight even without Oscar. agree to disagre to be honest Mayweather would not nearly be the star he is without Oscar. His numbers accross the board indicate that. My point with the mainstream stars going to the Floyd fights before Oscar. Is that Floyd did have a name before Oscar. He was not the crossover appeal that he became after Oscar. Of course Mayweather is not only name now but a brand. But, IMO his name was still big enough that would make the mainstream stars to go see him before Oscar. Also big enough that it could bring 5,000+ fans with just his name... bro stars go to see Victor Ortiz Chris Arreola Paul Williams Winky Wright Zab Judah etc etc this does not equate into him already being big enough like you state also 5000 fans really doesn't mean anything And, if Floyd did that those gate numbers with Zab and Baldomir then I stand corrected. I took the word from a Floyd fan poster who told me it did a few thousand more in the gate then what you're telling me... And, if that is true then I have to change my thinking on the Floyd-Hatton gate. nah he did shit crowds and Goossen papered the Baldomir fight Don King papered the Judah fight I have heard it from several people that most of Mayweather's Vegas fights are papered in order to fill seats good debate though and thanks

sorry forgot this part http://www.rickyhitmanhatton2.com/mayweatherhatton-850000-ppv-buys-east-side-boxing-91.html we cant link to eestsideboxing so thats straight from Hattons website Do you know how much Pac-Hatton did? It doesn't say... I thought Pac-Hatton did 850k?

cmon now you cant on one hand say then quantify it by stating Collazo and Malignaggi werent big enough for them to go this is what YOU went by bro not me you stated that Hatton fans follow him everywhere then you now changed it to just not in Boston and not for Collazo but yeah in Vegas (Castillo) but not for Paulie. Hatton is simply not that big of a draw in the US period I misread it so apologies but what exactly does mainstream stars have to do with anything? curious on this one cant find an attendance sheet but I was told a while ago that about 6,000 attended the Baldo fight and about 8-9 the Judah fight 850k? Is that how much you think it would of done or is that how much it did? I am asking cuz I thought it did over 900k. But, if it did do 850k. Can you tell me how much Pac-Hatton did? I do think Hatton had a loyal fanbase that would follow him everywhere. Which did with the lesser fights. But, i also think you add Floyd then even his fans who did not follow him for the lesser fights will follow him for that fight. It just a bigger fight even without Oscar. My point with the mainstream stars going to the Floyd fights before Oscar. Is that Floyd did have a name before Oscar. He was not the crossover appeal that he became after Oscar. Of course Mayweather is not only name now but a brand. But, IMO his name was still big enough that would make the mainstream stars to go see him before Oscar. Also big enough that it could bring 5,000+ fans with just his name... And, if Floyd did that those gate numbers with Zab and Baldomir then I stand corrected. I took the word from a Floyd fan poster who told me it did a few thousand more in the gate then what you're telling me... And, if that is true then I have to change my thinking on the Floyd-Hatton gate.

yeah Hatton's people are very loyal I was there for the Mayweather fight and even in loss they were great to be around

850k? Is that how much you think it would of done or is that how much it did? I am asking cuz I thought it did over 900k. But, if it did do 850k. Can you tell me how much Pac-Hatton do? sorry forgot this part http://www.rickyhitmanhatton2.com/mayweatherhatton-850000-ppv-buys-east-side-boxing-91.html we cant link to eestsideboxing so thats straight from Hattons website

True, but I also think the Collazo and Malignaggi is not a fair comparison IMO. They were not considered as big as Floyd was even before Floyd fighting Oscar. I think even more Hatton fans would of paid for the trip to see him against Floyd then on how many did to watch him against Collazo and Malignaggi IMO. Even without Oscar that fight would of had a bigger magnitude then the Collazo and Malignaggi fights. cmon now you cant on one hand say I think the gate would of done well just cuz of Hatton. He always had that loyal fan base that would follow him everywhere. then quantify it by stating Collazo and Malignaggi werent big enough for them to go this is what YOU went by bro not me you stated that Hatton fans follow him everywhere then you now changed it to just not in Boston and not for Collazo but yeah in Vegas (Castillo) but not for Paulie. Hatton is simply not that big of a draw in the US period What do I based what on? Floyd pulling mainstream stars to his bouts? If that is what you asking me then I am basing that due to the fact that I saw mainstream stars walking out of Floyd-Baldomir and I saw a few famous people on the Floyd-Judah I misread it so apologies but what exactly does mainstream stars have to do with anything? curious on this one And, Floyd-Judah I think did solid gate numbers. Now I am not sure but I think they did. And, I think they both have close to the same type of fan base. They both appeal to the hip hop community. So there fan base come from there. Then you add the Hatton fan base. I think the gate numbers would of been the same. cant find an attendance sheet but I was told a while ago that about 6,000 attended the Baldo fight and about 8-9 the Judah fight 850k? Is that how much you think it would of done or is that how much it did? I am asking cuz I thought it did over 900k. But, if it did do 850k. Can you tell me how much Pac-Hatton do?

misleading a bit yes he brings people with him but still not to the numbers we think "Despite earlier predictions of a sellout for Hatton’s first-ever title fight in America, attendance was 7,915 – barely a third of a house" for the Collazo fight " The Hatton faithful among the 13,044 in attendance roared when Hatton made his ring entrance to the Manchester City Football Club's "Blue Moon." Castillo must have felt like he was in Manchester, England, with the amount of boos that rained down on him when he made his ring entrance." for the Castillo fight also he did horribly for the Malignaggi fight so while yes he can draw it wasnt quite the gate people thought. True, but I also think the Collazo and Malignaggi is not a fair comparison IMO. They were not considered as big as Floyd was even before Floyd fighting Oscar. I think even more Hatton fans would of paid for the trip to see him against Floyd then on how many did to watch him against Collazo and Malignaggi IMO. Even without Oscar that fight would of had a bigger magnitude then the Collazo and Malignaggi fights. based on? Mayweather has never been a gate draw not even in his hometown. What do I based what on? Floyd pulling mainstream stars to his bouts? If that is what you asking me then I am basing that due to the fact that I saw mainstream stars walking out of Floyd-Baldomir and I saw a few famous people on the Floyd-Judah And, Floyd-Judah I think did solid gate numbers. Now I am not sure but I think they did. And, I think they both have close to the same type of fan base. They both appeal to the hip hop community. So there fan base come from there. Then you add the Hatton fan base. I think the gate numbers would of been the same. 850k 850k? Is that how much you think it would of done or is that how much it did? I am asking cuz I thought it did over 900k. But, if it did do 850k. Can you tell me how much Pac-Hatton do?

misleading a bit yes he brings people with him but still not to the numbers we think "Despite earlier predictions of a sellout for Hatton’s first-ever title fight in America, attendance was 7,915 – barely a third of a house" for the Collazo fight " The Hatton faithful among the 13,044 in attendance roared when Hatton made his ring entrance to the Manchester City Football Club's "Blue Moon." Castillo must have felt like he was in Manchester, England, with the amount of boos that rained down on him when he made his ring entrance." for the Castillo fight also he did horribly for the Malignaggi fight so while yes he can draw it wasnt quite the gate people thought. based on? Mayweather has never been a gate draw not even in his hometown. 850k That is so true. I was at the Augustus, Rios, Hernandez and Ndou fights and it was a good atmosphere but the tickets didnt cost my dad that much and it was not packed to the capacity.

bullshitttttttttt second that, any fight with pac will be exciting, and ANYONE that knows what boxing exists would want pac/mayweather

Ok I know you guys are all talking s**t about how boring mayweather and mosley is going to be, But honestly mosley HATES THE GUY! How can you guys not think that Mosley is going to be pressing on the ENTIRE fight and not let mayweather fight his fight. Seriously I say they will trade shots a lot of times during the whole fight.

I think the gate would of done well just cuz of Hatton. He always had that loyal fan base that would follow him everywhere. misleading a bit yes he brings people with him but still not to the numbers we think "Despite earlier predictions of a sellout for Hatton’s first-ever title fight in America, attendance was 7,915 – barely a third of a house" for the Collazo fight " The Hatton faithful among the 13,044 in attendance roared when Hatton made his ring entrance to the Manchester City Football Club's "Blue Moon." Castillo must have felt like he was in Manchester, England, with the amount of boos that rained down on him when he made his ring entrance." for the Castillo fight also he did horribly for the Malignaggi fight so while yes he can draw it wasnt quite the gate people thought. And, you talking about Floyd being undefeated, WW champ, and P4P best even before he fought Oscar. So I think the gate would of done the same. And, Floyd had the mainstream stars in his fights before Oscar. So I think it would of done the same without Oscar based on? Mayweather has never been a gate draw not even in his hometown. PPV? It did close to a million right? Which is another story then yes you're right. I can't honestly say that it would of done a mili without the Oscar fight. That fight plus 24/7(which was really huge pr wise) made Floyd main stream... 850k

i wasn't debating the thread. i was arguing against your one post. i posted about that idiot comparing ali to mayweather and the next post i saw was this. just because a fight will likely be exciting doesn't necessarily mean it'll draw. if anything i'm adding to your argument of casual fans watching big names not exciting fights. idiot. Um I agree.... I made the Clottey reference as tongue in cheek. Casuals dont give a shit about excitement. They watch what they are told. They watch commercials and TNT NBA All Star shit and Fight Camps and 24/7's. They dont know what fights will be exciting. They watch what they are told to watch.

but it did help bro check it without Mayweather DLH how well do you think Mayweather Hatton does? both as a gate and a PPV I think the gate would of done well just cuz of Hatton. He always had that loyal fan base that would follow him everywhere. And, you talking about Floyd being undefeated, WW champ, and P4P best even before he fought Oscar. So I think the gate would of done the same. And, Floyd had the mainstream stars in his fights before Oscar. So I think it would of done the same without Oscar PPV? It did close to a million right? Which is another story then yes you're right. I can't honestly say that it would of done a mili without the Oscar fight. That fight plus 24/7(which was really huge pr wise) made Floyd main stream...

My bad! And big black letters dont scare me! Your sig says you love some man and comments like " thats cute" make me wonder! But if its like that on the real with all flame aside i apologize...I was being a smart ass not hitting below the belt. Shit like that aint cool..my bad! Come on man don't be a fuking dick!! There's shit you just don't say and you know it. Don't comeback as fukin tough guy, he used big letters so you understand

you're trying to debate me on something i'm not debating. an exciting fight and a big draw fight is not necessarily the same thing. end of. ****ing moron wants to argue with me about something i never said. i know that's the only way you can win an argument but don't do it with me. do it with some other moron. NSB rule Number 1- When getting owned resort to childish name calling. It is the same thing. You popped into this thread making up shit no one in this thread was talking about. We are debating what BRINGS casuals to the sport. Its not EXCITING fights. Its fights that are HYPED the most. Again. Casual fans watch they are told.

Fair point...But, I will say IMO a fight like Floyd-Oscar really didn't help a whole lot, Oscar-Tito didn't help a whole lot. It just didn't live up to the hype... And, IMO casual fans were turn away with those type of fights... While you watch Pac-Hatton is something that got casual fans excited, even though it lasted two rounds they felt they got there money worth... That is why I think Shane-Pac which has a more fan friendly style would have the casual fans talking about it more after the fact than Floyd-Pac... but it did help bro check it without Mayweather DLH how well do you think Mayweather Hatton does? both as a gate and a PPV

This was a good post. What do you think about this statement I made. "Casual fans dont become hardcore boxing fans over night, they become Hardcore fans of fighters overnight." I think thats a great point to be honest with the exception of the African American fighter (which I can explain in dept but thats a whole notha thread), most fighters who are groomed for success have a built in following just by the mere nationality they are its the nature of this sport. A fighter is a one man island representing the nation he comes from and people associate, gravitate and want to emmulate that. and this could also show why even with a loyal following fighters like Manny do not gain a huge following until they themselves find themselves opposite someone of mega star status. Prior to all this Manny was a good draw against beloved Mexican fighters like Marquez Barrera and Morales but nowhere near the consistent fanbase he is now. Manny Tito Vargas all were ok stars until they met who? and even DLH didnt truely make mega status until he faced JCC. the rarest exception was Tyson but my theory about Tyson is that he caught the tail end of boxing's mainstream status and it carried over a lot simply because he had such an aura about him people wanted to see him fight. This is evident by how well he did but how poorly boxing was doing in its transition from mainstream to niche