Why wasn't there any suspicion about Juan Manuel Marquez?

I thought the stans would have a better justification for this. JMM KOs two guys who had never been stopped before, even when they spent a large portion of their careers at lightweight, and JMM was in his first two fights there. and then, he goes and challenges a guy, two weight divisions higher. Sure is strange as to why he wasn't suspected. lol @ these guys pretending they care about the cleanliness of the sport.

That was a farce fight. PBF was already punking Marquez by virtue of the fight being made period. No need for any extra demands.

diaz has a weak chin, u can tell because paulie keeps rockin him and opening cuts. you look into JMM's eyes and u see an honest man. He aint no cheater.

In his first two fights at lightweight, at the age of 35, he knocked out two guys who had never been stopped before. Why suspect the guy that JMM, in many eyes, beat? But not JMM. Somethings fishy about suspecting one man over the other. obviously floyd was not as impressed with Marquez great wins over lightweights as he was with pac destruction of a welter named cotto who he did not want to fight and a fighter named hatton that took him 10 rounds instead of 2 to destroy him is safe to assume that floyd is intimidated by pac wins over hatton and especially cotto and there fore wanted random blood test? yes is it safe to assume that a fighter that stands to make a career high pay day but passes it up the payday because he is not willing to subject himself to random blood test is dirty? yes both assumptions do not obviously become true facts but pac ducking or avoiding random blood test certainly only adds more fuel to the flames that he is using performance enhancers.

but that's not the case Flick...PAC has taken the tests that are imposed by the NSAC...first off, Andy Murray questioning Roger would only bring on backlash to himself...in a 'who the fukk are you' sense if Roger had taken all of the tests the tennis commission asked him to the only backlash i've seen are from the over obsessed floyd fans on websites lol, at the Murray thing. That probably would happen. :rofl: But honestly, i'm just trying to say that you can't be surprised with it. It's bound to happen when your a superstar. I personally don't think he does steroids. But I also state that it does raise flags that he would refuse a blood test. Where as all the over-obsessed pac fans are trying to make it seem like Mayweather is scared. I'm a fan of both so I defend both sides, logically though. lol

There was no suspicion about JMM, because PBF knew he could beat him at welterweight. He was fighting an older, slower, smaller version of himself.

if the Boston Celtics asked Kobe to take an extra test, aside from the NBA mandated tests and he told them to fukk off, he wouldn't get any backlash especially if the Celtics just played Lebron and didn't ask him to take any tests Lol, those sports don't work that way. I was using the "superstar" athletes as an example. If Andy Murray accused Roger Federer of PEDs and then we hear that Federer refused an ATP drug test. Fedex would get some serious backlash. Boxing is an individual sport. Each individual is their own franchise. They sit at a table and come to terms. If one boxer said "I want olympic style, random blood testing." and the other said "Nah not before " and then the other says "alright, what about half way between the fight" and then the other says "nah, I aint fighting with you then." Backlash is bound to happen. PERIOD. We are talking superstar, not some average joe. A superstar. If that chinese golf player was ****in all of the girls in Vegas and was found out, no one would care. Because its a "superstar" as in Tiger Woods, all hell breaks loose. The backlash is bound to happen..... Also, those are EXAMPLES. If NSB doesn't know what examples are, I quit NSB.

Doesn't matter if he wasn't required to. Mayweather wanted it apart of the contract, Pacquiao said no. The backlash was going to happen because he said no. It's apart of the game. I don't see how you are tortilla warrior can't understand that. When your a superstar and you say no to things like drug test (required or not), the backlash is bound to happen. I stated from the beginning of the whole fiasco. If Pacquiao would have just said YES. Mayweather would be the one looking like the bad guy, as if he was bitching out and Pacquiao wouldn't even be fazed. But that didn't happen, thats why Pacquiao is getting more of the backlash. That is fine but I also wanted to point out that Thomas Hearns asked Ray Leonard to take a steroid test and there was no backlash... I also wanted to point out that Zab Judah ask Shane Mosley for blood testing. And, lets remember that Shane had admitted of taking PED's and still said no. And, there was no backlash... But, for a strange reason there is for Pac. And, I don't understand why? Especially since Pac did agree of going far and beyond what he is required to...

I was using other major athletes as examples. Pacquiao is a major athlete so when a drug test is demanded and Pacquiao says "no". It should be no surprise about the backlash. Doesn't matter if he wasn't required to. Mayweather wanted it apart of the contract, Pacquiao said no. The backlash was going to happen because he said no. It's apart of the game. I don't see how you are tortilla warrior can't understand that. When your a superstar and you say no to things like drug test (required or not), the backlash is bound to happen. I stated from the beginning of the whole fiasco. If Pacquiao would have just said YES. Mayweather would be the one looking like the bad guy, as if he was bitching out and Pacquiao wouldn't even be fazed. But that didn't happen, thats why Pacquiao is getting more of the backlash. Again major names or not, do you not see the tremendous differences in being able to choose your opponent, as opposed to having a league set up your opponents for you? When Pac doesn't take the mandated tests hes required to, then I'll see a problem. If Floyd would have just agreed to fight the fight like he has his past 40, he'd have been able to prove that facing Pac was indeed an "easy fight, and easy work". But he didn't. He walked away from millions because of a ridiculous demand. btw, the ovewhelming majority of backlash is coming from Floyd fans. I wonder why?

I can accept that, because Pac posed an actual threat. The rest of your post, well, when all of those athletes can pick and choose their opponents, then I'll see the relevancy of bringing them up. But as of now, all of their opponents are scheduled by their respective leagues. I'd say, "nice try", but it really wasn't. I was using other major athletes as examples. Pacquiao is a major athlete so when a drug test is demanded and Pacquiao says "no". It should be no surprise about the backlash. How would all those guys get suspended, taken to court, or forced to take a drug test that they are not required to? Explained that.... Now you're right if they refuse to take a test that they are required to. But, Pac has never refused to take a test that he is required to. Matter of fact Pac went far and beyond of what he is required to... Think about that for a second. He went far and beyond that he is required to... Doesn't matter if he wasn't required to. Mayweather wanted it apart of the contract, Pacquiao said no. The backlash was going to happen because he said no. It's apart of the game. I don't see how you are tortilla warrior can't understand that. When your a superstar and you say no to things like drug test (required or not), the backlash is bound to happen. I stated from the beginning of the whole fiasco. If Pacquiao would have just said YES. Mayweather would be the one looking like the bad guy, as if he was bitching out and Pacquiao wouldn't even be fazed. But that didn't happen, thats why Pacquiao is getting more of the backlash.

The difference? All those guys would have been either suspended, taken to court, or forced to take a drug test. Pacquiao would just walk with a tarnished name and fight someone else (like he has done). How would all those guys get suspended, taken to court, or forced to take a drug test that they are not required to? Explained that.... Now you're right if they refuse to take a test that they are required to. But, Pac has never refused to take a test that he is required to. Matter of fact Pac went far and beyond of what he is required to... Think about that for a second. He went far and beyond that he is required to...

Lol, let me see.......... because JMM was NEVER a legit threat. Pacquiao is a threat, Mayweather tried to push Pacquiao's buttons and..................... IT WORKED. Because now, Pacquiao refused a drug test and looks like something is fishy in his camp. If Tiger Woods, Roger Federer, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Tom Brady, Ray Lewis or Darrell Revis would refuse a drug test, the same accusations would have happened. The difference? All those guys would have been either suspended, taken to court, or forced to take a drug test. Pacquiao would just walk with a tarnished name and fight someone else (like he has done). I can accept that, because Pac posed an actual threat. The rest of your post, well, when all of those athletes can pick and choose their opponents, then I'll see the relevancy of bringing them up. But as of now, all of their opponents are scheduled by their respective leagues. I'd say, "nice try", but it really wasn't.

In his first two fights at lightweight, at the age of 35, he knocked out two guys who had never been stopped before. Why suspect the guy that JMM, in many eyes, beat? But not JMM. Somethings fishy about suspecting one man over the other. Lol, let me see.......... because JMM was NEVER a legit threat. Pacquiao is a threat, Mayweather tried to push Pacquiao's buttons and..................... IT WORKED. Because now, Pacquiao refused a drug test and looks like something is fishy in his camp. If Tiger Woods, Roger Federer, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Tom Brady, Ray Lewis, Darrell Revis, Derek Jeter, or Bolt Husain would refuse a drug test, the same accusations would have happened. The difference? All those guys would have been either suspended, taken to court, or forced to take a drug test. Pacquiao would just walk with a tarnished name and fight someone else (like he has done).

Didn't he get knocked out of the ring in the fight with Katsidis before JMM KOd him? Casa won that fight by KO right? So how is that a KO lost? I will ask again has Casa ever been KO'd before?

Didn't he get knocked out of the ring in the fight with Katsidis before JMM KOd him? Was the fight stopped? No, Casa won, by KO. bye.

But, he has never been stopped before? Didn't he get knocked out of the ring in the fight with Katsidis before JMM KOd him?

Why are you accusing me of spamming your thread? I'm just giving you my two cents. So what if JMM hadn't KOd his previous opponents before he moved up. Did Pac KO Barrera in the rematch (a Barrera that just showed up for a paycheck at that)? Who has Rocky Juarez been stopped by? And you must think this steroid possibility must only apply to JMM once he moved up to 135, because Pac outweighed him by like 5 to 10 lbs on fight night in the rematch. What I'm saying is, JMM definitely wouldn't have been on anything at 130 likely (unless it was a drug for making weight). Also, Casamayor isn't exactly this iron chinned fighter, so that is why this thread sucks. Do you truly not understand the thesis of this thread? I'm sure you're not that stupid, thats why you get the spamming label here. I've asked you twice now, and you've failed to answer with anything relevant. and no, you're not giving your two cents, you're saying I'm turning the attention to JMM, but thats not quite the case. Hes been used as an example of someone who could easily have been suspected of foul play, but for whatever reason, wasn't. Now, would you like to address that, or hit the road, jack, because you haven't said anything in regards to why one fighter is suspected and not the other. Can you also tell me when Casa was KOd before the JMM bout? No, you can't, because its never happened. Same as Diaz. However, both Hatton and Cotto were stopped prior to being beat by Pac. But if this thread sucks, why are you in here? I've always found it rather strange when people go into threads they don't like and complain about them. Now that I think about it a bit more, you might not be all that bright.

Why are you accusing me of spamming your thread? I'm just giving you my two cents. So what if JMM hadn't KOd his previous opponents before he moved up. Did Pac KO Barrera in the rematch (a Barrera that just showed up for a paycheck at that)? Who has Rocky Juarez been stopped by? And you must think this steroid possibility must only apply to JMM once he moved up to 135, because Pac outweighed him by like 5 to 10 lbs on fight night in the rematch. What I'm saying is, JMM definitely wouldn't have been on anything at 130 likely (unless it was a drug for making weight). Also, Casamayor isn't exactly this iron chinned fighter, so that is why this thread sucks. But, he has never been stopped before?

Are you too stupid to understand what the thread is about? If you are let me know, I don't like idiots in my threads spamming shit up with nonsense. So here goes, I'll ask again, why not suspect the guy who, in his first two fights at lightweight, at the age of 35, stops his only two opponents there. The same two opponents who have a large portion of their career there, and have never been stopped previously. Why not suspect that guy of using PEDs? Now lets remember, JMM hadn't stopped an opponent in over three years, suddenly, he moves up in weight, as an older fighter and becomes Mr. Knockout? Why save your "suspicions", for a fighter who, in his prime, stopped two fighters who have already been stopped before? Why are you accusing me of spamming your thread? I'm just giving you my two cents. So what if JMM hadn't KOd his previous opponents before he moved up. Did Pac KO Barrera in the rematch (a Barrera that just showed up for a paycheck at that)? Who has Rocky Juarez been stopped by? And you must think this steroid possibility must only apply to JMM once he moved up to 135, because Pac outweighed him by like 5 to 10 lbs on fight night in the rematch. What I'm saying is, JMM definitely wouldn't have been on anything at 130 likely (unless it was a drug for making weight). Also, Casamayor isn't exactly this iron chinned fighter, so that is why this thread sucks.

Are you too stupid to understand what the thread is about? If you are let me know, I don't like idiots in my threads spamming shit up with nonsense. So here goes, I'll ask again, why not suspect the guy who, in his first two fights at lightweight, at the age of 35, stops his only two opponents there. The same two opponents who have a large portion of their career there, and have never been stopped previously. Why not suspect that guy of using PEDs? Now lets remember, JMM hadn't stopped an opponent in over three years, suddenly, he moves up in weight, as an older fighter and becomes Mr. Knockout? Why save your "suspicions", for a fighter who, in his prime, stopped two fighters who have already been stopped before? good point, i know you're setting something straight here, but very valid points about JMM. casamayor and diaz............ i tried giving green k, wouldn't let me, sorry yo.