Victor Ortiz Stream

NO IT WAS NOT. the first knock down came while a punch WAS being thrown. you're flat out lying. the camera angle was so cheap that it was NO WAY to tell that they stepped on each other feet. and the commentators didn't mention one time that they were stepping on each others feet. and RIGHT after ortiz was knock down there was NO REPLAY to be found. NO. i seen no difference. he got hurt & reverted to his old ways. and ortiz went down by himself the 2nd time without ANY CONTACT. that came right after the 1st knockdown I JUST DON'T SEE ANYTHING SPECIAL ABOUT ORTIZ. I even think that KHAN could beat him if he boxed him on the outside. I JUST DON'T SEE IT. i call BS. we'll be able to get a better look tomorrow when they air the replay on fox sports. i hope you'll be recording cuz i know i will. i'll have this thread bookmarked too. and yes fischer DID mention that they were stepping on each other's feet very early into the fight. there was no legit knockdown. you're making sht up. ortiz was in control the entire fight. not once was he buzzed and not once did he get outside himself. if he fights with that same patience, he ko's grandpa mid to late rounds.

NO IT WAS NOT. the first knock down came while a punch WAS being thrown. you're flat out lying. the camera angle was so cheap that it was NO WAY to tell that they stepped on each other feet. and the commentators didn't mention one time that they were stepping on each others feet. and RIGHT after ortiz was knock down there was NO REPLAY to be found. NO. i seen no difference. he got hurt & reverted to his old ways. and ortiz went down by himself the 2nd time without ANY CONTACT. that came right after the 1st knockdown I JUST DON'T SEE ANYTHING SPECIAL ABOUT ORTIZ. I even think that KHAN could beat him if he boxed him on the outside. I JUST DON'T SEE IT. I though you noticed everything hardcore fan? :lol1: They were stepping on each others feet from the first round on and the commentators mentioned it a couple times. The ref warned Alatorre for pushing down on Ortiz' neck right after he forced him to take his knee. No contact... Lol.

lets get real here folks. ortiz fought a BUM tonight. the fight was mostly meaningless in my opinion. i wasn't looking for what ortiz did good but how much he has fixed his flaws. and i didn't see much. he was knocked down in the fight 2 times (the first one came from a punch) the 2nd one wasn't from a punch, he was just still a bit dizzy so he fell to a knee. I may have some fooled around here but i am a HARDCORE BOXING FAN and i notice everything. to say that ortiz will beat nate using a jab is LAUGHABLE. in my opinion ortiz fights in spurts and isn't a consistent "jab" fighter. ortiz isn't even a boxer to me. he only fought the way he tried to fight tonight is because he was in there with a guy that didn't throw. as soon as a fighter lands on Ortiz chin, he RUNS back to the cave man style. you didn't notice when the guy knocked ortiz down and hurt him tonight how he went back to his caveman style for the remainder of the round? THATS WHAT ORTIZ DOES WHEN HE GETS HURT. he loses his head. ali funika has a LONG jab thats totally on another level from ortiz's. and it's consistent. and even he couldn't beat campell with his jab. ortiz will have his hands full with campell. You might be a hardcore boxing fan, but you didn't notice shit. Your knockdown claims are ridiculous, especially the second one. Siggy pretty much explained why the 2 kd's you claim are ridiculous. Ortiz does fight in spurts, but he consistently used foot movement and jabs until he felt comfortable enough to throw combinations. The reason his opponent didn't want to throw is because he makes them not want to risk that chance often because of his speed and power. Maidana threw a 1000+ punches over 12 against Kotelnik, he threw 293 over 6 against Ortiz even though they were in a shootout. Why was that, if Victor was standing right in front of him when he wasn't punching? Because Ortiz' speed and power make them respect him. He got hit cleanly a couple of times and didn't revert back to the "caveman style". When he felt Alatorre getting too brave, he wouldd throw a combo to get back his respect, but settle back down again. He's not gonna beat Campbell with just a jab, but it's gonna be a key component to beating him. Ortiz with a consistent jab, his foot movement, stamina, defense, speed, power, better temperament, and combinations will beat Campbell when time comes.

lets get real here folks. ortiz fought a BUM tonight. the fight was mostly meaningless in my opinion. i wasn't looking for what ortiz did good but how much he has fixed his flaws. and i didn't see much. he was knocked down in the fight 2 times (the first one came from a punch) the 2nd one wasn't from a punch, he was just still a bit dizzy so he fell to a knee. I may have some fooled around here but i am a HARDCORE BOXING FAN and i notice everything. to say that ortiz will beat nate using a jab is LAUGHABLE. in my opinion ortiz fights in spurts and isn't a consistent "jab" fighter. ortiz isn't even a boxer to me. he only fought the way he tried to fight tonight is because he was in there with a guy that didn't throw. as soon as a fighter lands on Ortiz chin, he RUNS back to the cave man style. you didn't notice when the guy knocked ortiz down and hurt him tonight how he went back to his caveman style for the remainder of the round? THATS WHAT ORTIZ DOES WHEN HE GETS HURT. he loses his head. ali funika has a LONG jab thats totally on another level from ortiz's. and it's consistent. and even he couldn't beat campell with his jab. ortiz will have his hands full with campell. kd twice? you're delusional. one was a combination foot getting stepped on (they were stepping on eachother's feet all fight) and pushed. the other ortiz was ducking a punch and the guy pushed down on the back of the neck. stop making sht up. you honestly didnt see any difference in terms of poise, ring generalship, footwork and boxing skills compared to what he showed in the maidana fight? seriously? i guess you see what you wanna see. you already made up your mind

madiana threw none stop bombs and didn't go to sleep? he made ortiz go to sleep matter fact. you can throw bombs without abandoning your D. nate will stay on the out side early and throw his bombs from there. and then later on he will smother the tired ortiz. How many fighter do you know that can get dropped 3 times in 2 rounds, change tactics, and stay aggressive? There aren't many, I don't think Campbell is one of them. If Ortiz uses his jab like he did tonight, he will stop Campbell.

yep, we found out that if he fights a stupid fight then it a good chance he loses. he's trying to correct that, work on his patience and improve his boxing skills, but then MF's see that and say that he's gun shy. victor's just rounding into form. he KO's khan and boxes maidana's face in in a re-match. bradley probably beats him and i'd like to see how valero looks at 140 first before i say who'd have the edge. I agree with this. If he learns how to counter punch with good accuracy and timing, he'll have a decent shot at beating the last 2 as well.

I take it Ortiz didn't look that good tonight? depends who you ask. people who just wanted the "vicious" victor ortiz and go for broke style were less impressed

madiana threw none stop bombs and didn't go to sleep? he made ortiz go to sleep matter fact. you can throw bombs without abandoning your D. nate will stay on the out side early and throw his bombs from there. and then later on he will smother the tired ortiz. becuz ortiz sat and traded. if you didnt notice, victor's working on his countering and boxing skills...and looking good doing that i might add. i doubt we see him trying to fight like a mindless caveman ever again.

we found out about ortiz in the maidana fight. bradley, khan, hell even valero beats ortiz. yep, we found out that if he fights a stupid fight then it a good chance he loses. he's trying to correct that, work on his patience and improve his boxing skills, but then MF's see that and say that he's gun shy. victor's just rounding into form. he KO's khan and boxes maidana's face in in a re-match. bradley probably beats him and i'd like to see how valero looks at 140 first before i say who'd have the edge.

don't be fooled ass crack. ortiz went down on a punch. a punch landed before ortiz went down. they didn't even show a reply of it because that's how golden boy does things. :boxing: did you just call him an ass crack? :rofl:

I enjoyed watching all these fights. I like these Club Nokia shows. Ortiz did alright. Got some rounds I feel he needed, and then closed the show. Now he should be ready for Campbell (who is extremely overrated in my opinion). Now that that damn Fight Night Show just completely distracted me from my studying and homework I'm gonna be up all night! most impressive fighter on this card was karl dargan. ortiz looked great though

I enjoyed watching all these fights. I like these Club Nokia shows. Ortiz did alright. Got some rounds I feel he needed, and then closed the show. Now he should be ready for Campbell (who is extremely overrated in my opinion). Now that that damn Fight Night Show just completely distracted me from my studying and homework I'm gonna be up all night!

i see campell winning this. campell will throw none stop bombs and not care to think twice. campell is also the better boxer. the problem with the guy ortiz is fighting now is that he throws nothing. not even jabs. i also noticed that ortiz was put down in this bout but the ref ruled it a slip. the fight was alright. then campbell will get countered and K'edTFO. ortiz was working on his countering and boxing skills, but its hard to counter when your opponent doesnt let his hands go. if campbell throws non-stop bombs, he's going to sleep.

What was the point of this fight?

ortiz looks like he's regressing. what the hell are you watching? ortiz boxed great, turned it up in the middle rounds and closed the show like he was supposed to. ortiz becoming a more complete fighter is regressing? pfff

N.Campbell if he hasn't aged overnight.

Doug Fischer read my mind about the body work. He'll need it for the Campbell fight. Every southpaw should have a good left to the body. Whether it be a straight left like Pacquiao or a left uppercut like Bute.

campell vs ortiz. who wins..... if ortiz fights like this, then he wins. his style is a whole lot tighter.

alatorre got a muffin top. i dont think i've ever seen that on a junior welter.

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