EASY proof that Pacquiao is full of SH*T

Why do you people keep avoiding this question: "Why is Fraud Ducker Jr demanding these tests all of a sudden?" I don't know why and to be honest I don't care. More rigorous testing will always be better for the sport not worse. How can someone doing synchronised swimming be subjected to more thorough drug testing procedures than boxers? I mean WTF? Proof that everyone is on an even playing field will at least stop the tiresome accusations.

Okay I'm sitting on the fence with all this Floyd & Manny crap. However, if Manny is so pissed about being accused of taking PED'S then why not just take the tests and show the whole world the Mayweathers are full of shit? If he passes all the tests & beats Floyd to a pulp then the whole world knows he is the man. The legit undisputed #1 P4P. Yes blood testing is not mandatory in boxing but it damn well should be. On a side note because I know bugger all about testing. Would hair testing or saliva testing be just as effective as a blood test? If so why are we not looking at that option? Why do you people keep avoiding this question: "Why is Fraud Ducker Jr demanding these tests all of a sudden?"

Saliva would be within ethical standards. Hair testing is seldom used. That's because it doesn't really have a specific date, to which it can be traced so its viewed unethical. You could have taken something years before, and gotten off of it, but it'll still show up in the hair Thanks for the explanation. :biggthump

Okay I'm sitting on the fence with all this Floyd & Manny crap. However, if Manny is so pissed about being accused of taking PED'S then why not just take the tests and show the whole world the Mayweathers are full of shit? If he passes all the tests & beats Floyd to a pulp then the whole world knows he is the man. The legit undisputed #1 P4P. Yes blood testing is not mandatory in boxing but it damn well should be. On a side note because I know bugger all about testing. Would hair testing or saliva testing be just as effective as a blood test? If so why are we not looking at that option? Saliva would be within ethical standards. Hair testing is seldom used. That's because it doesn't really have a specific date, to which it can be traced so its viewed unethical. You could have taken something years before, and gotten off of it, but it'll still show up in the hair

Okay I'm sitting on the fence with all this Floyd & Manny crap. However, if Manny is so pissed about being accused of taking PED'S then why not just take the tests and show the whole world the Mayweathers are full of shit? If he passes all the tests & beats Floyd to a pulp then the whole world knows he is the man. The legit undisputed #1 P4P. Yes blood testing is not mandatory in boxing but it damn well should be. On a side note because I know bugger all about testing. Would hair testing or saliva testing be just as effective as a blood test? If so why are we not looking at that option?

To repeat: Stop this stupid diversionary tactics, stupid Flomorons. The real question is, "Why is Fraud Ducker Jr demanding these tests all of a sudden?" Those bums Mayweather Sr's thought that Pac was not supposed to beat Cotto. He did. They can't take it. Why could they? He's just an Asian midget who could barely speak English. He's cheating. Not surprisingly, idiotic Flomorons had to believe what those bums say.

This is not a proof, It's garbage!!! If its from flomos...its surely idiotic.

Alright HORGE, Tell me physiologically what the difference is? Losing blood before the fight would temporarily drain you of a MINOR, likely imperceptible amount of stamina which would return as the platelets restored themselves. Losing it DURING a fight would have an effect on you during competition. If you can't tell the difference, I might suggest you go back to school. Tell me flomo why your coward gay queen asking for this Olympic blood test when the urine test NanotrapTM ESP Particles is much more better? If you can't tell the difference, I might suggest you go back to school. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/321178-olympic-tests-have-never-detected-hgh-in-an-athlete-usada-backs-urine

All this over analyzation and dissection of the Floyd vs. Pacquiao negotiations seems to have missed a very simple point. Manny Pacquiao has boxed since his early teens, been in MANY brutal, epic wars in which both he and his opponent take serious punishment, I assume he's also watched a few fights in which he hasn't been a contestant...and he expects us to believe that he doesn't want to fight because he feels weak after losing BLOOD? How about the cut that Marquez had when he fought you the second time and IMO went on to BEAT you with? How about the cut Valero had a couple weeks ago, spraying blood all over himself and continued to fight like a champ? How about all the blood that was sliding out of Miguel Cotto's cheek when he fought Clottey? How about David Haye going on to beat Giacobbe Fragomeni with this monster gash? But princess Manny just can't fight after losing half a table spoon for a drug test a few DAYS before a fight. Sorry, but anyone who has spent any time watching has seen guys fight like animals with tons of blood loss. And we're supposed to believe this chump? Sorry Pac-fans, your boy is EXPOSED! And you bothered to put all this stupid shit together just to prove your biased stupid point? If you stupid people are really thinking you should have gotten by now that Pac disagreeing in the last day of the negotiation was about avoiding the humiliation of submitting to Commissioner Fraud Mayducker Jr's stupid ridiculous ped testing shit. Pac was clearly pissed for having been accused of using that shit when he knows he's not. How about me accusing you of being one of most stupid person on the face of the earth. How's that? Prove to me you're not. Take a damn IQ test, f**ng moron. How about asking your stupid selves why all of a sudden Fraud Ducker Jr is demanding all these tests? Was it because he saw Pac put Hatton to sleep and beat Cotto to a pulp? Those Mayweather bums thought that Pac was not supposed to beat Cotto. Agreeing with these bums makes you a bum yourself. So stop this stupid diversionary tactics stupid morons. Why is Fraud Ducker Jr demanding these tests all of a sudden? That's the real question. Most people are not that stupid. Who are we kidding?

Also, for the people who are going to say "He is a fighter, he is supposed to lose blood." Let me lay this on you......as a fighter you are supposed to break your nose, ribs, fingers, but what if you break your nose, ribs, or fingers while training or right before the fight? You probably aren't going to fight. (Mayweather/Marquez sound familiar?) This.... sums it all up and i hope flomos might see the light..

All this over analyzation and dissection of the Floyd vs. Pacquiao negotiations seems to have missed a very simple point. Manny Pacquiao has boxed since his early teens, been in MANY brutal, epic wars in which both he and his opponent take serious punishment, I assume he's also watched a few fights in which he hasn't been a contestant...and he expects us to believe that he doesn't want to fight because he feels weak after losing BLOOD? How about the cut that Marquez had when he fought you the second time and IMO went on to BEAT you with? http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0315/box_a_marquez3_400.jpg How about the cut Valero had a couple weeks ago, spraying blood all over himself and continued to fight like a champ? http://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/25190/valero_gano.jpg How about all the blood that was sliding out of Miguel Cotto's cheek when he fought Clottey? http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/bryan_armen_graham/06/14/cotto.clottey/clottey-cotto.jpg How about David Haye going on to beat Giacobbe Fragomeni with this monster gash? http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42336000/jpg/_42336430_haye_blood416.jpg But princess Manny just can't fight after losing half a table spoon for a drug test a few DAYS before a fight. Sorry, but anyone who has spent any time watching has seen guys fight like animals with tons of blood loss. And we're supposed to believe this chump? Sorry Pac-fans, your boy is EXPOSED! People with common sense understand how little sense the actions of Pacquiao and his camp have made, but Pactards cannot accept such logic.

First, let me start off by saying this whole nonsense about who is responsible for the fight not coming off is tired and old. I enjoy both fighters, but they both killed this fight....one maybe more than the other. Everybody is trying to blame everyone and their mother and the only thing that truly matters at this point is that Floyd and Manny aren't fighting each other right now, so move on. Since no one is moving on, or ever will apparently, I must say that the real problem with the blood tests is cultural differences....yes, i said it....cultural differences. It is impossible to generalize all the different cultures within asia, as there are so many, but there are quite a few that believe that their blood is their lifeline...that to even lose a drop will weaken them. Im not sure if the Filipino culture believes this, but I am pretty sure that there are a lot of Thais that do. I had a few friends from college that were from Thailand and told me this awhile back....and when I heard about Manny not wanting to take the blood tests because it "weakened" him I immediately thought of what my old friends had told me, and that Manny uses a lot of Thai training techniques and could possibly share the same sentiment on losing blood. As more details about the failed negotiations have leaked, I truly feel that this is why Manny won't take the tests so close to the bout. Most of the Manny haters on here when mentioned that losing blood weakens him go into a frenzy and start asking for medical proof and posting articles showing how losing a teaspoon of blood doesn't weaken you physically. You are right, it really shouldn't weaken you physically, but it can weaken you mentally if you believe it does. The mind controls the body, and in this case the mind killed a big fight. But who the hell is Mayweather to ask for random blood testing anyway? Anyway, I digress.......all im trying to say, is that for the people who think Manny is on steroids because he won't take random blood tests within 3 weeks of the fight, you are looking for any excuse possible to mitigate his achievements. Don't be so ethnocentric, look outside your culture. It is not the only one. Also, for the people who are going to say "He is a fighter, he is supposed to lose blood." Let me lay this on you......as a fighter you are supposed to break your nose, ribs, fingers, but what if you break your nose, ribs, or fingers while training or right before the fight? You probably aren't going to fight. (Mayweather/Marquez sound familiar?) Im not trying to offend anyone nor is the tone of this post supposed to be negative. Im just hoping before people jump to conclusions to defamate someones character they will really take a look at the entire picture. Hopefully this will add a new perspective on the turmoil during negotiations. The smartest statement ive read from this forum yet... Hopefully all the haters will quit posting up bs threads, but i doubt that will happen any time soon.

First, let me start off by saying this whole nonsense about who is responsible for the fight not coming off is tired and old. I enjoy both fighters, but they both killed this fight....one maybe more than the other. Everybody is trying to blame everyone and their mother and the only thing that truly matters at this point is that Floyd and Manny aren't fighting each other right now, so move on. Since no one is moving on, or ever will apparently, I must say that the real problem with the blood tests is cultural differences....yes, i said it....cultural differences. It is impossible to generalize all the different cultures within asia, as there are so many, but there are quite a few that believe that their blood is their lifeline...that to even lose a drop will weaken them. Im not sure if the Filipino culture believes this, but I am pretty sure that there are a lot of Thais that do. I had a few friends from college that were from Thailand and told me this awhile back....and when I heard about Manny not wanting to take the blood tests because it "weakened" him I immediately thought of what my old friends had told me, and that Manny uses a lot of Thai training techniques and could possibly share the same sentiment on losing blood. As more details about the failed negotiations have leaked, I truly feel that this is why Manny won't take the tests so close to the bout. Most of the Manny haters on here when mentioned that losing blood weakens him go into a frenzy and start asking for medical proof and posting articles showing how losing a teaspoon of blood doesn't weaken you physically. You are right, it really shouldn't weaken you physically, but it can weaken you mentally if you believe it does. The mind controls the body, and in this case the mind killed a big fight. But who the hell is Mayweather to ask for random blood testing anyway? Anyway, I digress.......all im trying to say, is that for the people who think Manny is on steroids because he won't take random blood tests within 3 weeks of the fight, you are looking for any excuse possible to mitigate his achievements. Don't be so ethnocentric, look outside your culture. It is not the only one. Also, for the people who are going to say "He is a fighter, he is supposed to lose blood." Let me lay this on you......as a fighter you are supposed to break your nose, ribs, fingers, but what if you break your nose, ribs, or fingers while training or right before the fight? You probably aren't going to fight. (Mayweather/Marquez sound familiar?) Im not trying to offend anyone nor is the tone of this post supposed to be negative. Im just hoping before people jump to conclusions to defamate someones character they will really take a look at the entire picture. Hopefully this will add a new perspective on the turmoil during negotiations.

All this over analyzation and dissection of the Floyd vs. Pacquiao negotiations seems to have missed a very simple point. Manny Pacquiao has boxed since his early teens, been in MANY brutal, epic wars in which both he and his opponent take serious punishment, I assume he's also watched a few fights in which he hasn't been a contestant...and he expects us to believe that he doesn't want to fight because he feels weak after losing BLOOD? How about the cut that Marquez had when he fought you the second time and IMO went on to BEAT you with? How about the cut Valero had a couple weeks ago, spraying blood all over himself and continued to fight like a champ? How about all the blood that was sliding out of Miguel Cotto's cheek when he fought Clottey? How about David Haye going on to beat Giacobbe Fragomeni with this monster gash? But princess Manny just can't fight after losing half a table spoon for a drug test a few DAYS before a fight. Sorry, but anyone who has spent any time watching has seen guys fight like animals with tons of blood loss. And we're supposed to believe this chump? Sorry Pac-fans, your boy is EXPOSED! Last time I checked Pacquiao is really into HARDCORE, BALLS TO THE WALL sport known as badminton. Try your analysis :dunce: on those cheaters, PRONTO!!!

I hope the fight never happens and Pac retires in shame. Definition of a hater.

Pac turned down being in the biggest fight in history & a guaranteed 25 million dollar payday to avoid a random drug test. Thats all the proof any reasonable persson needs. Wouldn't it be even funnier when someone calls himself Money May and do something that he has never done before that is demanding a test that pac agreed with his own counter offer yet Money May still refused and made another offer that made pac (more on arum) enough is enough and the man who calls himself Money May did a thing that contradicted his belief of money. $40 Million is money right?

All this over analyzation and dissection of the Floyd vs. Pacquiao negotiations seems to have missed a very simple point. Manny Pacquiao has boxed since his early teens, been in MANY brutal, epic wars in which both he and his opponent take serious punishment, I assume he's also watched a few fights in which he hasn't been a contestant...and he expects us to believe that he doesn't want to fight because he feels weak after losing BLOOD? How about the cut that Marquez had when he fought you the second time and IMO went on to BEAT you with? http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0315/box_a_marquez3_400.jpg How about the cut Valero had a couple weeks ago, spraying blood all over himself and continued to fight like a champ? http://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/25190/valero_gano.jpg How about all the blood that was sliding out of Miguel Cotto's cheek when he fought Clottey? http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/bryan_armen_graham/06/14/cotto.clottey/clottey-cotto.jpg How about David Haye going on to beat Giacobbe Fragomeni with this monster gash? htewsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42336000/jpg/_42336430_haye_blood416.jpg But princess Manny just can't fight after losing half a table spoon for a drug test a few DAYS before a fight. Sorry, but anyone who has spent any time watching has seen guys fight like animals with tons of blood loss. And we're supposed to believe this chump? Sorry Pac-fans, your boy is EXPOSED! you and your fascination with pac. analyzation?????? :eek:

Pac turned down being in the biggest fight in history & a guaranteed 25 million dollar payday to avoid a random drug test. Thats all the proof any reasonable persson needs.

Lmao PAC IS TAKING ROIDS............... AND HE DUCKED FLOYD............... FACE IT ! HE WILL NEVER BE AS GOOD A BOXER........... AND HE KNOWS IT ! HE WOULD GET TAKEN BACK TO M-SCHOOL !! FIRST WAS MORALES THEN MARQUEZ AND I THINK HE KNOWS BETTER TAHN 2 FU** WITH MAYWEATHER :boxing:

come on dude,,,pac pbf will happen 4th quarter this year....they just need build ups... Agreed!!!! In all honesty both camps and promoters needed more time to promote the fight. And the blood tests gave everyone a reprieve and a way out. Everyone needs to let this sh*t go and give it some time .... they will fight {If both win their upcoming fights} later this year. Until then .... everybody just take a deep breath and chill.