Edwin Valero. Lets Clear the Air-VOTE ON THE POLL

People are saying he is good enough to beat Pac. And thats clearly bullshit. I voted overrated. Many fighters have potential, that doesnt mean they fullfill that potential. He hasnt fought anyone of note yet. And therefore he is overrated at this stage. His KO record blinds people to all his obvious flaws IMO. People here even argue about whether Pac and Floyd are ATG's, and they have fought and beat the best out there for years. Valero hasnt done shit yet and people are going way overboard. It's typical hype man, it will die down sooner or later.

People are saying he is good enough to beat Pac. And thats clearly bullshit. I voted overrated. Many fighters have potential, that doesnt mean they fullfill that potential. He hasnt fought anyone of note yet. And therefore he is overrated at this stage. His KO record blinds people to all his obvious flaws IMO. People here even argue about whether Pac and Floyd are ATG's, and they have fought and beat the best out there for years. Valero hasnt done shit yet and people are going way overboard.

I'd like to see how he does in a losing effort first, before i give judgement. That being said, he is as real as he has shown himself to be, no elite yet (unproven, based on resume), but no slouch either. Props to the guy who posted a Soto fight. WAR CAVEMAN! fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.

I agree to some extent, and that's coming from a Calzaghe fan, but Joe wasn't a bad fighter, he was a very good one. He definitely made bad decisions with his career though, the biggest mistake being that he stuck with Frank Warren for far too long. I didn't actually care about the undefeated record, however. I just like watching his unorthodox style and how it messed with opponents' heads. Again, I agree with you. Undefeated = overrated and protected, most likely. Well it sorta puts things in people's minds that shouldn't be. Calzaghe undefeated and aggressive fighter who throws a lot of punches a round. The total complete opposite of Floyd, but he was undefeated also. Does that make him the best offensive fighter ever then? No. Floyd, turtles up, picks his spots, and now become a 1 punch fighter and he's undefeated. Does that make him the best defensive fighter ever because he hasn't loss yet? No. It gives misconceptions.

I honestly cannot believe in undefeated fighters...sometimes. If they didn't lose, it means they haven't fought enough good competition or challenges, and or ducked them. A fighter with a loss and comes back shows a lot more than a fighter whose undefeated by slipping by. I'll give credit to Valero because he doesn't care who he fights, he just wants attention and the best names. He's most likely bound to lose soon and I can deal with that if he loses against a top fighter, no problem. But then you got JuanMa who I feel he wants to fight the best, but his promoter might want to preserve him due to lack of big name PR fighters out ATM with Cotto gone this year. Calzaghe and Fraud are both good examples of bad undefeated fighters, but Calzaghe did face a lot of names the public demanded of him, even if some were waaaayy too late. I agree to some extent, and that's coming from a Calzaghe fan, but Joe wasn't a bad fighter, he was a very good one. He definitely made bad decisions with his career though, the biggest mistake being that he stuck with Frank Warren for far too long. I didn't actually care about the undefeated record, however. I just like watching his unorthodox style and how it messed with opponents' heads. Again, I agree with you. Undefeated = overrated and protected, most likely. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

he needs to step up the comp at least here soon.

Unfortunately that's the attitude of a lot of "boxing fans" these days. Way too much focus on undefeated records, PPV figures, etc. I have no clue how it turned out like this, though, especially when the guy who most people consider the GOAT had 19 losses. I honestly cannot believe in undefeated fighters...sometimes. If they didn't lose, it means they haven't fought enough good competition or challenges, and or ducked them. A fighter with a loss and comes back shows a lot more than a fighter whose undefeated by slipping by. I'll give credit to Valero because he doesn't care who he fights, he just wants attention and the best names. He's most likely bound to lose soon and I can deal with that if he loses against a top fighter, no problem. But then you got JuanMa who I feel he wants to fight the best, but his promoter might want to preserve him due to lack of big name PR fighters out ATM with Cotto gone this year. Calzaghe and Fraud are both good examples of bad undefeated fighters, but Calzaghe did face a lot of names the public demanded of him, even if some were waaaayy too late.

I voted yes. I think he can very well hang with the elite fighters. Just remember, about a year ago everyone was saying that Bradley was all hype. Let most tell it, he is the truth now. That is human nature I guess. Hold a man down, till you have no other choice but to believe.

Why is it that the trend seems to be that Pacquiao fans actually believe hes the real deal? I haven't noticed such a trend. Can you post some examples? He is a pretty exciting fighter, so I can understand why Pacquiao fans might appreciate Valero. I wouldn't say Pacquiao fans are any more enthusiastic about him than anyone else though. Not from what I've seen. I'm a huge Pacquiao fan and I've only just started to warm to Valero since he's starting to prove himself. A few more fights against decent competition would probably convince me he is the real deal. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

Even if he loses, that means he's overrated? gtfo. Unfortunately that's the attitude of a lot of "boxing fans" these days. Way too much focus on undefeated records, PPV figures, etc. I have no clue how it turned out like this, though, especially when the guy who most people consider the GOAT had 19 losses. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

sparring is sparring, Just that. Whos to say that Erik Morales was refraining from certain maneuvers to better himself. Bottomline, He hasnt fought anyone substantial enough for people to put his name in with the Likes of Manny Pacquiao and or Timothy Bradley. Bradley looked like a god against Nate Campbell, Once he fought Lamont Peterson, although he looked great, showed instances of being somewhat flawed. Valero hasnt showed me enough talent that he can hang with anyone at the elite 140lbs and 147lbs. Maybe Judah should take up a fight with him I don't know about going up to 147lbs. That might be too much for him right now, especially without some progression bouts as he makes his way up Pacquiao style. But I think he'll be ok @ 140lbs no problem.

Why is it that the trend seems to be that Pacquiao fans actually believe hes the real deal? The guy isnt on any level of elite fighters Well, we won't know for sure until he does. But all were saying is he has the potential there. I don't see anything that says he can't anymore than any other potential upcoming fighter. Valero hits hard as ****, strong workrate, good chin, nice boxing skills, and doesn't fade late. How could he not be ready for the elite now? Throw him in there and lets see how he does, I think he's ready.

Once Bradley puts him to sleep the shroud will be lifted. Why is it that the trend seems to be that Pacquiao fans actually believe hes the real deal? The guy isnt on any level of elite fighters

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I think he's as good as he's been making himself look. His boxing skills that he showed against DeMarco were no joke. There are many a talk and even a video on youtube supposely of Valero getting the better of Erik Morales in sparring back in the day. Just once he's in the ring he prefers to go out and blow his opponent away to keep his KO intact and his marketablity up. I love his all out offensive style, but it's nice to know if he has to box, he can do that too and still knock your ass out. There is nothing overrated about him right now. Even if he loses, that means he's overrated? gtfo. sparring is sparring, Just that. Whos to say that Erik Morales was refraining from certain maneuvers to better himself. Bottomline, He hasnt fought anyone substantial enough for people to put his name in with the Likes of Manny Pacquiao and or Timothy Bradley. Bradley looked like a god against Nate Campbell, Once he fought Lamont Peterson, although he looked great, showed instances of being somewhat flawed. Valero hasnt showed me enough talent that he can hang with anyone at the elite 140lbs and 147lbs. Maybe Judah should take up a fight with him

I think he's as good as he's been making himself look. His boxing skills that he showed against DeMarco were no joke. There are many a talk and even a video on youtube supposely of Valero getting the better of Erik Morales in sparring back in the day. Just once he's in the ring he prefers to go out and blow his opponent away to keep his KO intact and his marketablity up. I love his all out offensive style, but it's nice to know if he has to box, he can do that too and still knock your ass out. There is nothing overrated about him right now. Even if he loses, that means he's overrated? gtfo.

jury still out for me ... i hope hes as good as people are making him out to be. the bradley fight woudla given us a definite answer, but i presonally woulda favoured tim in that one yea, I want to see him against a tough tough gateweay fighter first. Someone like Lovemore Ndou or Malignaggi to see where he stands. Actually Id like to see him against the baby bull Juan Diaz, that would be firewroks and a good measuring stick

I personally think he's a little bit overrated. I mean he just beat a decent fighter that would finally prove something, and people are already talking about Pacquiao vs Valero. He is good, and is getting better and better, but I don't think he's ready for the elite fighters yet. I mean his record is impressive, but he doesn't really have that one punch knockout power either. I second that.

jury still out for me ... i hope hes as good as people are making him out to be. the bradley fight woudla given us a definite answer, but i presonally woulda favoured tim in that one

I personally think he's a little bit overrated. I mean he just beat a decent fighter that would finally prove something, and people are already talking about Pacquiao vs Valero. He is good, and is getting better and better, but I don't think he's ready for the elite fighters yet. I mean his record is impressive, but he doesn't really have that one punch knockout power either.