Serious talk:How can Floyd fans not see that this olympic test was just to duck Pac

nah he dont dig him too much I'm not crazy about his public persona... ...but that has nothing to do with my assessment of him as a fighter (#2 at 130 All-Time and love to watch what he does). I was never sold Pac would really be closer than winning four rounds. And the quote about the unneeded roadblock is taken somewhat out of context. It's from one of the two pieces where I talked about how Floyd was basically owning Pac in the fight before the fight. Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather: Round Two Begins Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao: Money Goes Up 2-0

Oh yeah!!! This week's 'weekly applebee's/chili's dinner' will be cancelled because i want to stay in. My daughters and wife will be pissed. There will be a fight over it, you can bet on it. just take them on friday or sunday instead

Yeah, I think people forget that these fighters put their lives on the line. It's not a game. So if one fighter suspects the other, he's well within reason - especially since the commissions obviously could give two sh*ts and favor money over health. Which is fine. But as fans, where do we stand? Instead of asking why someone cares about the issue so much, we need to ask why we care so little. I do agree with you both, to many fans of a particular boxer and not the sport. I'm a fan of the sport first and what makes the sport better should be done. It got a lot of attention cause it is on the biggest platform right now of the biggest fight that can be made at the moment, if I dare to say an historic event if it got made. Can believe how many PPL actually think that it was a tactic to get out of the fight. My question has always been if Pac would had said yes?

E, do you have any idea how bad of a PR move it would be if this fight was killed due to glove size? here is what I present to you my friend one base your stand solely on speculation and rumor OR base it on a rule which would you pick? and seriously, i've never seen Cliff bash floyd, in fact, reading his assessments on floyd would lead me to think that he likes the guy nah he dont dig him too much as for the blood testing, like i said, he agreed to make accommodations and concede to that request under limitations...he COULD and probably SHOULD have done it the way you suggest, but perhaps he wasnt THAT quick to walk away from that money also, i'd like to add that the dude wasn't even IN the country and was basically letting Arum work out he kinks... understood but then why is it ok for Mayweather to be called a coward? kind of weak IMO and yes I do think thats a great point about him not being around

Damn! my batt run out peds..err juice...sorry. You guys are way too fast and i got a shitty connection in this side now i can't reply immediately. ah young man you have not been paying attention ok so let's give you the Mayweather one address why Manny made the unprecedented move of asking for 3 million on Oscar if he went over 147? I mean we all knew it was a weight he had not made since 2001 right? I will wait for your answer on that one Hey i didn't know about that! I even lost moolah on that fight! Can't blame manny on that though, it's ODLH fault for coming up like that, no regrets still i recovered. :D also please address the rather unprecedent move of demanding Cotto fight for his 147lb title at 145. It CLEARLY goes against the WBO's handbook. but see here is why you will probably always be dismissed as nothing more than a Manny fan while you say "when I have said I was against it?" when have you said you were for it? show me Damn, you want me to dig my post, why not you do it. I'm not only a manny fan though even if i have only joined this board a year ago i was already wanking on some posted pron here along time ago...:D and couldn't any other demand Manny has been put on any fighter be twisted to be viewed as a way out of a fight wanting more than 70-30 for Oscar wanting more than 60-40 for Hatton wanting DLH to incur an unprecedented penalty if he is over 147 wanting Mayweather to incur an unprecedented penalty if he is over 147 You have a point there but i never heard manny brag he will beat to a pulp those fighters and procaliming he is the best there is unlike someone i thought was really a great one but made me felt violated and robbed with my hard earned money watching his last fight. actually no one said superhuman thats just you being over dramatic to sell your point however they do enable you to perform at higher levels by speeding up the recovery process an athlete needs. If say someone needs fewer and fewer rest periods doesn't that enable them to train more train harder and get better physically? and what makes you think PEDs arent a lucrative market? grave danger? why? I dont think his life was at risk however answer this are PEDs legal? simple question See, you answered it with another question just to avoid a question and saying i'm the one who is over melodramatic, you should tell that to floyd as he is the one who said he is scared for his life even he 'knows' the fight is easy, wasn't it? But to answer your question, of course it is not legal in any athletic competition! And to clarify more further, i don't think an opponent is the one who is in grave danger in using peds, it is the USER HIMSELF WHO IS THE ONE WHO IS IN DANGER as in any drugs there will always be side effects. Fact is, i'm suspecting this so called 'best' boxer as having those side effects now! Anyway, i'm logging off, will read your replies later..:beerchug:

well, knock yourself out Dazed....im glad the opportunity has presented itself for you to vent about your frustration with this dirty sport...god knows this is the only time we could have addressed the issue Well I've actually addressed the issue many times in many different ways and venues. You don't know who I am so I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. But thanks, I'll take your advice.

PED'S are tested in every professional sport for a reason, they are illeagal so that is why the don't sell in the quantities that you think they should. That is why there are designer PED's to defeat certain testing. You are really reaching with that caption #3, and this is not going for just the Manny PED topic, this goes for the whole sport. Have one of your fighters go into the ring and get beat up by somebody that has a chemical advantage, what do you tell him. I'm talking about a young fighter comming out. Don't try to sweep the PED thing under the rug, it is a bigger problem than you think Yeah, I think people forget that these fighters put their lives on the line. It's not a game. So if one fighter suspects the other, he's well within reason - especially since the commissions obviously could give two sh*ts and favor money over health. Which is fine. But as fans, where do we stand? Instead of asking why someone cares about the issue so much, we need to ask why we care so little.

Over 300 comments. 4,000 plus views. On a Pac-MAYWEATHER thread. Isnt there a big fight in 3 days?? :thinking: Oh yeah!!! This week's 'weekly applebee's/chili's dinner' will be cancelled because i want to stay in. My daughters and wife will be pissed. There will be a fight over it, you can bet on it.

Over 300 comments. 4,000 plus views. On a Pac-MAYWEATHER thread. Isnt there a big fight in 3 days?? :thinking: sadly this is bigger than that fight.

Sure. 1. What unprecedented demands, the 10mill penalty? then that's because there was a precedence of cheating maybe they just want to ensure it will deter floyd to cheat on the scale again and just pay peanuts. I don't know what other 'beyond' demands that pac made, i'm not privy on all his negotiations as i only like to see good fights. 2. Did i say i was against it??????? Of course i'm all for it but to insist on close to sealing the fight due to selfishness as you've said is tantamount to ducking. 3. You really believe peds can make a human body superhuman??? I don't think so....If it is, that ped would have been the number 1 selling drug now in the world. So my answer is NO, give me an example where PED was used that made the opponent was put in grave danger. A documented one please. PED'S are tested in every professional sport for a reason, they are illeagal so that is why the don't sell in the quantities that you think they should. That is why there are designer PED's to defeat certain testing. You are really reaching with that caption #3, and this is not going for just the Manny PED topic, this goes for the whole sport. Have one of your fighters go into the ring and get beat up by somebody that has a chemical advantage, what do you tell him. I'm talking about a young fighter comming out. Don't try to sweep the PED thing under the rug, it is a bigger problem than you think

mayweather didnt know that it would stop the fight...he knew that it would affect PAC and IMO, pushed a bit too hard...i never said the fault laid squarely on floyd's shoulders but as boxingscene's cliff rold put it 'floyd created an unnecessary roadblock' Cliffy does not like him some Floyd but getting to the point why wouldn't he just use the gloves? I mean it is a RULE he can deflect back to the NSAC if he wanted to avoid fighting Manny right? see to me he says no to 8oz gloves. He then states he fought Hatton in 10s at 147 so why can't Manny do the same? he then states this is the rule he is going by and not making this up. so now he has a case behind him and a comission rule thats far more credible than the rantings of Floyd Sr as Manny fans have put it right? and for PAC to agree to the testing, perhaps that was his way of trying to get the fight to go on? give and take? maybe but the whole precedent is that blood testing weakens him and it goes squarely against what was being negotiated to assume blood testing weakens him is to also assume he does not want to blood test at all right? he should have just said no period. Otherwise him coming off the view that blood testing weakens him looks weak because he is agreeing to something that he alledges makes him weak understand my man?

Over 300 comments. 4,000 plus views. On a Pac-MAYWEATHER thread. Isnt there a big fight in 3 days?? :thinking:

of course not...you've made that point in EVERY f'n thread that has steroids and peds as a topic I sure have. I've been waiting on this day for years. But for me it has more to do with the topic (PEDs/Steroids) than any fighter. Sadly, it seems most posters are more interested in "my favorite fighter nah nah nah" or nuthugging or god knows what. But that's not the point. And we should be focusing on the point.

Sure. 1. What unprecedented demands, the 10mill penalty? then that's because there was a precedence of cheating maybe they just want to ensure it will deter floyd to cheat on the scale again and just pay peanuts. I don't know what other 'beyond' demands that pac made, i'm not privy on all his negotiations as i only like to see good fights. ah young man you have not been paying attention ok so let's give you the Mayweather one address why Manny made the unprecedented move of asking for 3 million on Oscar if he went over 147? I mean we all knew it was a weight he had not made since 2001 right? I will wait for your answer on that one also please address the rather unprecedent move of demanding Cotto fight for his 147lb title at 145. It CLEARLY goes against the WBO's handbook. 2. Did i say i was against it??????? Of course i'm all for it but to insist on close to sealing the fight due to selfishness as you've said is tantamount to ducking. but see here is why you will probably always be dismissed as nothing more than a Manny fan while you say "when I have said I was against it?" when have you said you were for it? show me and couldn't any other demand Manny has been put on any fighter be twisted to be viewed as a way out of a fight wanting more than 70-30 for Oscar wanting more than 60-40 for Hatton wanting DLH to incur an unprecedented penalty if he is over 147 wanting Mayweather to incur an unprecedented penalty if he is over 147 3. You really believe peds can make a human body superhuman??? I don't think so....If it is, that ped would have been the number 1 selling drug now in the world. actually no one said superhuman thats just you being over dramatic to sell your point however they do enable you to perform at higher levels by speeding up the recovery process an athlete needs. If say someone needs fewer and fewer rest periods doesn't that enable them to train more train harder and get better physically? and what makes you think PEDs arent a lucrative market? So my answer is NO, give me an example where PED was used that made the opponent was put in grave danger. A documented one please. grave danger? why? I dont think his life was at risk however answer this are PEDs legal? simple question

So does this mean he can't take blood at all? I saw that interview. He said he had an issue with it two days before the fight. So how is this relevant? And I don't hate Manny. In fact, I think he's the best fighter of my generation. That doesn't make him exempt to criticism. Unfortunately, certain people can only view things through the scope of "nuthugging" and "hate" and all that other crap. Thank you my dude. This is what it comes to down. Hes not above criticism.

It obviously wasnt to get out the fight because he asked Shane. And the fight was signed, sealed and delivered. Floyds not as physic no one knew Pac would agree then back track and give 1 Million excuses.

many times over after the Morales lost...there's videos on youtube date stamped from 2005, Dazed serious shit, you get off on this dont you? any thread that has PEDS or roids, i see you all over like you've been waiting this whole time for an excuse to hate...glad you found it my friend So does this mean he can't take blood at all? I saw that interview. He said he had an issue with it two days before the fight. So how is this relevant? And I don't hate Manny. In fact, I think he's the best fighter of my generation. That doesn't make him exempt to criticism. Unfortunately, certain people can only view things through the scope of "nuthugging" and "hate" and all that other crap.

why PEDS? simple...its the only type of stipulation which would require drawing blood...no blood needed for different gloves, purse split etc so lets go beyond how did Mayweather know it would be blood that would stop this fight? my theory is, someone tipped Floyd's team about PAC's 'anxiety' (Moorer perhaps or anyone that has worked with them) about getting blood taken out...whether the physical aspect is true or not about him feeling 'weak' the mental aspect is valid to the point of cancelling? thats a far reach IMO simply because you cannot counter speculate that blood would indeed be such an issue that Manny would say no and correct me if I am wrong but didn't their side say ok to blood testing? it was more to do with the days rather than the actual test right? Freddie Manny et al has said urine all they want but blood only to a certain point. That point was debated amongst Mannys team so if blood was such a big issue Mak why not just say no period to blood testing? had PAC agreed, the mental part would have been won by Floyd...he would have gotten a fight with a guy who felt 'weak' but here is the rub bro Manny said yes to blood testing he said yes. if Floyd was to kill a fight over money issues and gloves and ring size, then he gets drilled by the media he is getting drilled as it is!! cmon now you know he is getting killed the glove issue is a far safer route to take IMO. Why? because its Nevada's rules by using PEDS as the caveat, he doesn't look AS bad and actually smears PAC...which is what has happened he smeared Manny not the media remember that media has been largely sympathetic to Manny or have you not paid attention to the daily Examiner threads we get I mean people ask him in videos if this has put pressure on him. IMHO, the whole negotiations was a clusterfukk....you have two GIANT egos at the table and a promoter that didnt really want to give Floyd a huge payday True and you wont get any arguement from me about that but to solely place this on Floyd is very very myopic as myopic as the Manny fans are accusing the Floyd fans as being

why PEDS? simple...its the only type of stipulation which would require drawing blood...no blood needed for different gloves, purse split etc my theory is, someone tipped Floyd's team about PAC's 'anxiety' (Moorer perhaps or anyone that has worked with them) about getting blood taken out...whether the physical aspect is true or not about him feeling 'weak' the mental aspect is valid had PAC agreed, the mental part would have been won by Floyd...he would have gotten a fight with a guy who felt 'weak' if Floyd was to kill a fight over money issues and gloves and ring size, then he gets drilled by the media by using PEDS as the caveat, he doesn't look AS bad and actually smears PAC...which is what has happened IMHO, the whole negotiations was a clusterfukk....you have two GIANT egos at the table and a promoter that didnt really want to give Floyd a huge payday So how do we know that Pacquiao is anxious about giving blood? Did he ever say this?

thanks because there had been speculation long before Sr said anything. In fact, Sr got his knowledge about the speculation from Floyd's team not vice versa kind of throws a big fat hole in everyone's theory that Sr was the one who started this doesn't it? nope people approached Mayweather's team. Mayweather's team made inquiries to quite a few people (some I know well) about PEDs about what they know about Manny etc with that he went forward. now the hypocritical approach would then leave it with Manny but no he also has stated 1. Mosley will be subject to the same OST that Manny was asked to perform 2. every fight from here on out will be this way so while yes Mayweather's reasons may be greedy isn't the whole of the sport the benefit? arent we at least addressing an issue that has been around in sports for years a good thing? cmon now just by the end statement you are being dramatic rather than objective in your stance could it be that he just wants to ensure a level playing field? simple as that really why is that BS? because YOU dont believe it? well then disprove some things then so we can indeed move on 1. why is it okay for Manny to make unprecedented demands that go beyond governing bodies? he has done this at least twice 2. while I have stated Mayweather's reasons were selfish how is this not a benefit to the sport? explain well please 3. whoa you mean to say PEDs are not a danger to sports? Ok let me see you credentials and reasoning as to why you think that way and I will go from there I expect your answers since I answered yours thanks Sure. 1. What unprecedented demands, the 10mill penalty? then that's because there was a precedence of cheating maybe they just want to ensure it will deter floyd to cheat on the scale again and just pay peanuts. I don't know what other 'beyond' demands that pac made, i'm not privy on all his negotiations as i only like to see good fights. 2. Did i say i was against it??????? Of course i'm all for it but to insist on close to sealing the fight due to selfishness as you've said is tantamount to ducking. 3. You really believe peds can make a human body superhuman??? I don't think so....If it is, that ped would have been the number 1 selling drug now in the world. So my answer is NO, give me an example where PED was used that made the opponent was put in grave danger. A documented one please.