Valero's impressive but pacquiao would destroy him.

No shit sherlock.... But it would be a badass fight tho.. likecorrales-castillo type of war..

Funny thing is everyone has been calling out Manny and Valero isnt on mannys level but he is a worthy opponent for manny!!! it would be a good fight to watch!!! I will say that if valero was calling out floyd for the last 3 years there would be public outrage everywhere on this site!!!

he didnt want it...he wanted to talk about PBF-PAC Yea I noticed.... I tried to warn him not call you out... He really didn't think you had that type of knowledge...

For now. Dude acknowledged he still had alot to learn yet, right? This indicates his development curve has yet to peak, maybe. Also, he dodged alot of punches by lateral movement as well. Now? Yeah. Manny's probably too much for him (for the purposes of this discussion I won't get into the PED controversy). For that matter , I think I'd still take JMM over Valero as long as the fight was @135 and in 2010. Couple of years down the road, w/Valero working at improving his game, maybe get him a HoF trainer and steadily increasing the level of his opposition? He might very well beat em' both. pac be retired by then, but valero is gonna be way up there on the p4p list

Caveman valero will get my support except against pac. Valero keeps his hands too low and dodges punches by moving backwards a bit. Pacquiao's straight left will land all night long against the caveman easily. For now. Dude acknowledged he still had alot to learn yet, right? This indicates his development curve has yet to peak, maybe. Also, he dodged alot of punches by lateral movement as well. Now? Yeah. Manny's probably too much for him (for the purposes of this discussion I won't get into the PED controversy). For that matter , I think I'd still take JMM over Valero as long as the fight was @135 and in 2010. Couple of years down the road, w/Valero working at improving his game, maybe get him a HoF trainer and steadily increasing the level of his opposition? He might very well beat em' both.

so do you like take me off ignore, reply, then put me back on? :lol1: Whatever happened to that debate you guys was going to have of Carbajal and Norris-Jackson impact?

I would like to see that fight at 140lbs. Pacquiao could lose some weight again like most of his opponnets have so it shouldn't be a big deal. Valero has power, quickness and thats good enough to win. all it takes is one good punch. just let pacquiao fight some wars like others have and Valero add some needed experirence and this could be an exciting fight to watch. I just don't think Pacquiao will lose the weight now like de la hoya did at an older age. Anyone beatable they just have to fight the right opponnet in the right time. Valero might be the wrong opponnet for Pac and the right one for Valero to beat and make himself famous.

Why would a Welter Weight pick on a Light weight? Does Pac need a tune up? valero's the one who been calling out pac for 3 years. he's suicidal.

lol wtf are you talking about.. you talk as if valero is anywhere near pacman's level.. valero hasnt even fought and won an "elite" fighter.. cotto would KO valero ?? Valero has been calling out pacquiao for 3 years and if this fight were to happen valero get destroyed, thats what i'm talking about.

Caveman valero will get my support except against pac. Valero keeps his hands too low and dodges punches by moving backwards a bit. Pacquiao's straight left will land all night long against the caveman easily. I'm not sure anyone would disagree with that, unless they were playing around :ugh: