Why Exactly Is James Toney So Revered?

hes a cheating c*nt but he did have very very good skills

His ass beat? Man you don't know what you are talking about!!! JT was stalking, deflecting shots, countering, waiting, Nunn was like 6''2, fast and a southpaw, you aren't going to catch him early, JT knew he needed to just keep coming, put the pressure on, and then turn it up late. Exactly ... can anyone say that there is a slicker boxer out there ??

Hopkins picked on small guys out of necessity. The entire middleweight division had been cleaned out at that point. It was 154 pounders, or moving up. He wanted to get to 20 defenses, so he fought 154 pounders. To be fair, a lot of them were good 154 pounders, like Jackson, De La Hoya, Trinidad, etc. DLH and trinidad looked smaller than him man , but i guess if thats your guy man, root for him. I think JT has been calling out Hopkins recently, would you want to see that fight ??

yeah true . Idk, i think its the fact that hopkins always picked on smaller guys, and JT always goes for the biggest, baddest out there, but hopkins is pretty good man. Hopkins picked on small guys out of necessity. The entire middleweight division had been cleaned out at that point. It was 154 pounders, or moving up. He wanted to get to 20 defenses, so he fought 154 pounders. To be fair, a lot of them were good 154 pounders, like Jackson, De La Hoya, Trinidad, etc.

Idk why you would Hopkins... Hopkins has a perfect style... I mean, obviously, he's still winning big fights at age 45. Not to mention that he seriously cleaned out middleweight, gave Trinidad and Glen Johnson their first losses, gathered all 4 ABC belts at 160, barely lost twice to Taylor, when both could have gone to him, defeated lineal king Tarver at 175, beat Wright who was P4P #3 at the time, almost beat undefeated Calzaghe and embarrassed Pavlik. Hard to find any holes in any of that. yeah true . Idk, i think its the fact that hopkins always picked on smaller guys, and JT always goes for the biggest, baddest out there, but hopkins is pretty good man.

what can u not like about james toney in the ring? He is a beast or was a beast... much like roy jones he is gone and past his prime and needs to go away and open a gym... well toney can open a donut/steroid industry now, but u can't strip him of his accomplishment. He was one of the best for a good period of time... James Toney is still a beast in my book.

Ohh ok .. hehhe glad we're on the same page .... but ill always put toney above hopkins and jones Idk why you would Hopkins... Hopkins has a perfect style... I mean, obviously, he's still winning big fights at age 45. Not to mention that he seriously cleaned out middleweight, gave Trinidad and Glen Johnson their first losses, gathered all 4 ABC belts at 160, barely lost twice to Taylor, when both could have gone to him, defeated lineal king Tarver at 175, beat Wright who was P4P #3 at the time, almost beat undefeated Calzaghe and embarrassed Pavlik. Hard to find any holes in any of that.

I see where the breakdown in understand was. What you call skill, I call technique. What I mean by skill is just anything that makes a boxer good and helps him to win his fights. I think Sergei Dzinziruk is far and away the best technical fighter in the sport right now, but he is definitely not the best fighter in the sport, so I don't think he is the most skilled. I hope that helps to make the distinction I'm trying to make. Toney is a technical ATG. I'm not disputing that. He just couldn't put it to work against a lot of the people he fought. I didn't say that I didn't respect Toney either... Toney has had a really good career. People just act like he was unbeatable in his prime, but... yeah, he almost/should have gotten beat so many times before he actually lost to Jones that it's just too much to turn a blind eye to. Ohh ok .. hehhe glad we're on the same page .... but ill always put toney above hopkins and jones

Nah man ... speed isn't a skill , have you seen RJJ stand in front of someone and bang with them?... ill say RJJ is was more athletic than JT, in his prime. But look at RJJ now, he's gettin knocked out by Danny green, He relied on his speed. Exactly, you said it , "Jones not fighting the people he could have". Now who are you gonna respect more ?... the guy who ducked people?.. or the guy who fights all the best ? I see where the breakdown in understand was. What you call skill, I call technique. What I mean by skill is just anything that makes a boxer good and helps him to win his fights. I think Sergei Dzinziruk is far and away the best technical fighter in the sport right now, but he is definitely not the best fighter in the sport, so I don't think he is the most skilled. I hope that helps to make the distinction I'm trying to make. Toney is a technical ATG. I'm not disputing that. He just couldn't put it to work against a lot of the people he fought. I didn't say that I didn't respect Toney either... Toney has had a really good career. People just act like he was unbeatable in his prime, but... yeah, he almost/should have gotten beat so many times before he actually lost to Jones that it's just too much to turn a blind eye to.

That's what I mean by skillwise. When it comes to skill, he doesn't stand up to Hopkins and Jones. Resume wise, it might be a different story, but I would chalk that up to Hopkins being stranded in a shitty middleweight division and Jones just not fighting the people he could have. Nah man ... speed isn't a skill , have you seen RJJ stand in front of someone and bang with them?... ill say RJJ is was more athletic than JT, in his prime. But look at RJJ now, he's gettin knocked out by Danny green, He relied on his speed. Exactly, you said it , "Jones not fighting the people he could have". Now who are you gonna respect more ?... the guy who ducked people?.. or the guy who fights all the best ?

Are you serious ?? ... so you think jones and hopkins are better ? .. man, rjj was really good in his prime im not gonna doubt that, but he was so good because of his speed. He never fought the best, jt wants to only fight the best, man i could go on and on but i cbf . That's what I mean by skillwise. When it comes to skill, he doesn't stand up to Hopkins and Jones. Resume wise, it might be a different story, but I would chalk that up to Hopkins being stranded in a shitty middleweight division and Jones just not fighting the people he could have.

Cuando: -he is fat (presently) -he is disrespectful -he is lazy (always) -tested positive for steroids -he loses/draws to bums -he lost almost all of his big name fights -his record is filled with wins against BUMS and/or unheard of people -his only notable big wins are against Jirov and an OLD SHOT holyfield -has victories against people he shouldn't (boxing politics) -his skills are undeniable yet he didn't achieve what has expected of him (because of his high skill set) i don't hate james toney, i think he has good skills but i thin he is WAY OVERRATED (based on accomplishments and skills)..........and i wonder exactly why is the man so loved, and gets so little hate (compared to someone like roy jones jr., who defeated him rather easily might i add) because he has milk baby :drive: LOL.. boxing wouldn't be the same without james toney his persona and his boxing finesse is just wonderful to watch

Yes. I can. I've seen Toney at his best against Barkley, but people make his whole career (before the Jones loss) to be that good. Guys who are so blessed skillwise should not have these sort of things on their resume: SD win over 1-0 Arthur Willis. Willis ended up 11-20. Draw with 24-11 Sanderline Williams. SD to Merqui Sosa, which is actually a little more forgivable, as Sosa was a decent prospect. Come from behind victory over Michael Nunn. SD to Reggie Johnson that a lot of people think is a loss. Draw with McCallum, that a lot of people think is a loss. The Tiberi fight. MD to McCallum, that people think he lost again. Listen, it's not that I think Toney is bad. I think he's actually great in his prime. But people comparing him to Hopkins and Jones is absurd in my mind. I'd take Calzaghe over Toney prime for prime to be honest (sorry daggum). Are you serious ?? ... so you think jones and hopkins are better ? .. man, rjj was really good in his prime im not gonna doubt that, but he was so good because of his speed. He never fought the best, jt wants to only fight the best, man i could go on and on but i cbf .

Toney has some solid wins and came back from obscurity to win a CW title and a HW title which he was stripped of because of the positive tests. True he has fought many softies but those fights were in between elite level fighters and he did get a couple bad decisions himself too in addition to a few gifts( hey, it happens in boxing). No one can deny the skill even if he isn't the most dedicated in training and especially with his diet. I can see how someone who is new to boxing would look at him the way you do TS, as he has not been impressive since moving to HW. You must consider that his best days were long ago and he is naturally more of a LHW. But it's not even that... other than the Barkley fight, what fights would you look at and say, skillwise, this man belongs side by side with Jones and Hopkins? People seem to put way too much stock into the Barkley fight, and ignore all the fights were he just didn't show up (and I'm talking about only fights before Roy Jones).

lol .. i didnt mean to hurt your feelings ... and you obviously had no problems reading what i wrote ... So can you explain why you think james toney is "overrated skill wise" Yes. I can. I've seen Toney at his best against Barkley, but people make his whole career (before the Jones loss) to be that good. Guys who are so blessed skillwise should not have these sort of things on their resume: SD win over 1-0 Arthur Willis. Willis ended up 11-20. Draw with 24-11 Sanderline Williams. SD to Merqui Sosa, which is actually a little more forgivable, as Sosa was a decent prospect. Come from behind victory over Michael Nunn. SD to Reggie Johnson that a lot of people think is a loss. Draw with McCallum, that a lot of people think is a loss. The Tiberi fight. MD to McCallum, that people think he lost again. Listen, it's not that I think Toney is bad. I think he's actually great in his prime. But people comparing him to Hopkins and Jones is absurd in my mind. I'd take Calzaghe over Toney prime for prime to be honest (sorry daggum).

You seem to have trouble reading. I said that Nunn was very good, but a volume puncher is clearly the best style matchup for a master counterpuncher. You also seem to have trouble with things like punctuation, and just generally seem to be a dipshit who can't argue to save his life. So leave me be. If anyone who doesn't have trouble eating without slopping food down the front of themselves wants to argue the point with me, I'd welcome the debate. lol .. i didnt mean to hurt your feelings ... and you obviously had no problems reading what i wrote ... So can you explain why you think james toney is "overrated skill wise"

nunn is 6-3 with a long reach. its not like he's calzaghe who gets really close and leaves himself wide open to counters. Unless he was volume punching with the jab only, the openings are there, especially if Toney was using that shoulder roll lean back move that he uses. I might be talking out of my ass, since I haven't seen the fight, but it just seems like someone who is supposed to have legendary skills had way too many close calls.

Solid response. The guy who is supposedly one of the best defensive counterpunchers ever got his ass beat by Michael Nunn, who threw a thousand punches, meaning he had a thousand counter opportunities. Thank god he was able to pull one lights out punch out of his ass to win it. But seriously, coming from behind and having to pray the KO comes is what I call true skill. nunn is 6-3 with a long reach. its not like he's calzaghe who gets really close and leaves himself wide open to counters.

lol .. so your trying to say that michael nunn was a bum ? ... he was the best out there at the time wasnt he ? ... and ill give michael nunn the first half of the fight , but jt was coming back ... man gimme some of that shit you smokin You seem to have trouble reading. I said that Nunn was very good, but a volume puncher is clearly the best style matchup for a master counterpuncher. You also seem to have trouble with things like punctuation, and just generally seem to be a dipshit who can't argue to save his life. So leave me be. If anyone who doesn't have trouble eating without slopping food down the front of themselves wants to argue the point with me, I'd welcome the debate.

Solid response. The guy who is supposedly one of the best defensive counterpunchers ever got his ass beat by Michael Nunn, who threw a thousand punches, meaning he had a thousand counter opportunities. Thank god he was able to pull one lights out punch out of his ass to win it. But seriously, coming from behind and having to pray the KO comes is what I call true skill. lol .. so your trying to say that michael nunn was a bum ? ... he was the best out there at the time wasnt he ? ... and ill give michael nunn the first half of the fight , but jt was coming back ... man gimme some of that shit you smokin