Why Manny Pacquiao should have agreed to ramdom testing

How many random tests did floyd mayweather jr. ask manny pacquiao to be subject to? you don't know because it hasn't been reported. therefore your opinion is useless. if i said i'd jump off the brooklyn bridge would you do it too? how many random tests?

Whirlwind, From the article you linked to: What this means, simply, is that HGH use is now detectable through testing of urine samples and the breakthrough technology is officially ready to "Rock-and-Roll." This says that the technology is ready, not that it has been used or that it's even approved to be used. Has it been peer reviewed? NOPE! As it stands, it's just one company that claims that they can detect HGH in urine and it has been given money to research/develop this technology. The author ASSUMES that it's ready, but I couldn't find anything on the USADA website that states that it's in use or that it could even be used. Floyd has the right to ask for more testing but at least dont ask for those method where nobody, yes nobody been caught using HGH on these athletes been tested beside he is not a boxing commision who regulates the sport. To refute the bolded text: You can put whatever the hell you want in a contract, so long as it doesn't violate the terms of the sanctioning commission. So, if the commission in Nevada requires that welterweights wear 10oz gloves, but you stipulate in contract that you want 12oz gloves (and your opponent agrees/signs), then you have put a condition on the fight that is not dictated by the commission. It's the same thing with drug tests. They can't go below what the commission requires, but they can require additional tests and not need commission approval. Floyd did what he thought he needed to do in order to assure a fair fight. Pac decided to leave $40 Million Dollars on the table in order to not give up 1 tablespoon of blood up to 14 days before the fight. Any sane person would conclude that he has something to hide.

"As it stands today Mayweather has the upper hand on Pacquiao from a moral viewpoint and a boxing viewpoint" anybody who thinks a boxer has no right to ask for more testing when there life is on the line is a grade a moron end Thread Floyd has the right to ask for more testing but at least dont ask for those method where nobody, yes nobody been caught using HGH on these athletes been tested beside he is not a boxing commision who regulates the sport.

Although I don't agree completely with you on this, you bring up some very good points. Nice to see posters on here with their opinions and biases who can actually write something with resorting to name calling and shit talking.

"As it stands today Mayweather has the upper hand on Pacquiao from a moral viewpoint and a boxing viewpoint" anybody who thinks a boxer has no right to ask for more testing when there life is on the line is a grade a moron end Thread

I had to read your other post 4 times to understand what you were saying. Sorry, but punctuation and grammar > you, LOL Anywho, the thing about blood tests is that the sample can be stored for a long time. The Olympic comittee stores blood for 8 years, but it can be stored for much longer than that. Imagine if a boxer gave blood today and, 5 years down the road, someone finds a way to test for HGH or whatever PED that boxer might've used. That blood would still be there and it could be proven that Boxer X used Drug Y. Urine samples cannot be kept for testing, so they are at a big disadvantage. BTW, HGH is EXTREMELY hard to detect in urine. To quote The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA): "Is a urine test for hGH likely to be developed? -According to the overwhelming majority of international experts, the blood matrix is the most reliable matrix for the detection of hGH. -hGH in urine is found in extremely small quantities (less than 1% than that found in blood). -In the view of international scientific experts, efforts to develop a reliable urine test for hGH would require significant resources and time, and chances of success appear remote." Find that here: WADA Link in PDF form Here is another good read: WADA Article So, now you see why it is important to have blood tests and not just urine tests. Sorry Mr. English expert for my poor English. This is my fourth language I'm trying to learn. Anyway, I'm not a slaves who forced to learn my master language. Back to the topic, will you provide me some latest news? Mine is newer. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/321178-olympic-tests-have-never-detected-hgh-in-an-athlete-usada-backs-urine You mastered your master language. You should know whats the meaning of outdated vs latest.

PRboxingfan where are you bro? You did not answer my question. It doesn't make sense right? We want this fight to happen. I just can't stand some of these flomos keep repeating themselves of how Pac doesn't want the blood test because he's hiding something. Olympic random blood testing you, LOL Anywho, the thing about blood tests is that the sample can be stored for a long time. The Olympic comittee stores blood for 8 years, but it can be stored for much longer than that. Imagine if a boxer gave blood today and, 5 years down the road, someone finds a way to test for HGH or whatever PED that boxer might've used. That blood would still be there and it could be proven that Boxer X used Drug Y. Urine samples cannot be kept for testing, so they are at a big disadvantage. BTW, HGH is EXTREMELY hard to detect in urine. To quote The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA): "Is a urine test for hGH likely to be developed? -According to the overwhelming majority of international experts, the blood matrix is the most reliable matrix for the detection of hGH. -hGH in urine is found in extremely small quantities (less than 1% than that found in blood). -In the view of international scientific experts, efforts to develop a reliable urine test for hGH would require significant resources and time, and chances of success appear remote." Find that here: WADA Link in PDF form Here is another good read: WADA Article So, now you see why it is important to have blood tests and not just urine tests.

PRboxingfan where are you bro? You did not answer my question. It doesn't make sense right? We want this fight to happen. I just can't stand some of these flomos keep repeating themselves of how Pac doesn't want the blood test because he's hiding something. Olympic random blood testing <<<<<<<<< NanotrapTM ESP Particles.

Haha, spoken like a real Pac nuthugger. You know, my grandfather used to tell me that the worst king of blind person is he who refuses to see, and I think we found one. Blood drained? Really? Taking 1 tablespoon of blood is blood draining someone? I bleed more than that when I bite my lip while chewing on a piece of steak. The truth of the matter is that to everyone but die-hard Pac fans, Manny looks like he was hiding something. I'm a huge Pac fan, but I'm not blind and I do not refuse to see what is right in front of me. I'm not saying Pac is dirty (and I don't believe that he is), but refusing to sign because there would be two random blood tests within 30 days of the fight (and floyd agreed to make the cut off at 14 days), each requiring one tablespoon of blood, is a bit fishy. My predictions: Pac will look bad against a taller, defensive fighter but will win a decision due to Clottey's inactivity in the fight (we all know he throws 30-35 punches a round and is very economical). Fighting a guy who is very good at the peek-a-boo style of defense is not going to be very fan friendly. As for Floyd, he'll win a close decision with Mosley fading a bit at the end and Floyd coming on strong in the championship rounds (I see a 115-113 fight). Floyd is going to have to open up a bit more as the fight goes on and it just might prove a bit more fan-friendly than the Pac fight (I can't believe I'm saying that a Mayweather fight might be better than a Pac fight. I must be going nutz). In the end, both will win their fights. If Manny loses his political race (and I think he will), he'll be back to fight Mayweather in September. Then we can see who the real P4P king is (and I truly hope it's Pac). I will simplify it for you to understand it. Why use Olympic random blood testing when none of these thousand of Olympic athteles who undergo almost everyday and nobody has been caught using HGH through this blood testing Floyd wants to use? Pac yet still offered him with random blood testing but not 24 days before the fight plus everyday urine testing if he wants using the NanotrapTM ESP Particles which much more better than this outdated blood testing. Why? Why Floyd asking Pac and him to climb the highest building in the world by using the stairs when the can use the elevator easily. Where's the logic? Check the link! http://bleacherreport.com/articles/321178-olympic-tests-have-never-detected-hgh-in-an-athlete-usada-backs-urine

The truth of the matter is that to everyone but die-hard Pac fans, Manny looks like he was hiding something. To everyone? Are you peeps living in a cave or what? It's about 1 out of 10 in the media in favor of Pac. And I'm talking about Floyd's country. Yes, the US media has convicted Floyd for a crime of ducking. What a joke.

Are out of your mind or just came out from your queen butt hole? Pac agreed with Floyd's ridiculous demand about this outdated ancient Olympic random blood testing where nobody has been caught with 24 days cut-off plus everyday urine testing if Floyd wants him with this most advanced urine testing on the planet (NanotrapTM ESP Particles) so much better than this blood draining tactic Floyd wants to employ but coward Floyd still insisted that they must blood drain Pac many times during his 2 months training period and hours before the fight if Pac wants to fights him. What a coward and pussy.:****you: Haha, spoken like a real Pac nuthugger. You know, my grandfather used to tell me that the worst king of blind person is he who refuses to see, and I think we found one. Blood drained? Really? Taking 1 tablespoon of blood is blood draining someone? I bleed more than that when I bite my lip while chewing on a piece of steak. The truth of the matter is that to everyone but die-hard Pac fans, Manny looks like he was hiding something. I'm a huge Pac fan, but I'm not blind and I do not refuse to see what is right in front of me. I'm not saying Pac is dirty (and I don't believe that he is), but refusing to sign because there would be two random blood tests within 30 days of the fight (and floyd agreed to make the cut off at 14 days), each requiring one tablespoon of blood, is a bit fishy. My predictions: Pac will look bad against a taller, defensive fighter but will win a decision due to Clottey's inactivity in the fight (we all know he throws 30-35 punches a round and is very economical). Fighting a guy who is very good at the peek-a-boo style of defense is not going to be very fan friendly. As for Floyd, he'll win a close decision with Mosley fading a bit at the end and Floyd coming on strong in the championship rounds (I see a 115-113 fight). Floyd is going to have to open up a bit more as the fight goes on and it just might prove a bit more fan-friendly than the Pac fight (I can't believe I'm saying that a Mayweather fight might be better than a Pac fight. I must be going nutz). In the end, both will win their fights. If Manny loses his political race (and I think he will), he'll be back to fight Mayweather in September. Then we can see who the real P4P king is (and I truly hope it's Pac).

This thread is biggest fail of all time. PACQUIAO agree on random urine test! ENOUGH SAID! random BLOOD testing was the request-not a simple piss test that even Shane Mosely passed through the NSAC!!! How many times do you guys need to be reminded-sigh

Are out of your mind or just came out from your queen butt hole? Pac agreed with Floyd's ridiculous demand about this outdated ancient Olympic random blood testing where nobody has been caught with 24 days cut-off plus everyday urine testing if Floyd wants him with this most advanced urine testing on the planet (NanotrapTM ESP Particles) so much better than this blood draining tactic Floyd wants to employ but coward Floyd still insisted that they must blood drain Pac many times during his 2 months training period and hours before the fight if Pac wants to fights him. What a coward and pussy.:****you: LMFAO@ a teaspoon of blood being called "blood draining"- you need to rethink your statement or check in to a psych ward,because that statement is out of touch with reality...

I don't know when this article was written, but looking at the situation now the only option for this fight to happen is for Pacquiao to agree to the ped testing shit introduced by the Master Floyd. In Floyd Jr's recent interview with Fox to the question whether he was disappointed the fight didn't happen, he said, "not at all". This is not to mention what he's been saying previously that he doesn't need Pacquiao, he needs him. So if the Pacquiao team is really desperate for this fight to happen they should announce as soon as possible that they are agreeing to the tests demanded by Pretty Boy. Basically, they should leave PB no room for any more excuse. Pac fans should now step up and relay the message and convince Pac to accept the tests. I'll be curious to know PB's reaction to this. Flomorons are useless. They will worship Floyd Jr warts and all.

ya good little read ... a little late since the topic has been beated to death but i agree with alotta what u said ...

By Check Hook Is Floyd Mayweather afraid to fight Manny Pacquiao? Was it just tasteless gamesmanship, an attempt to gain a mental edge? Did he really want to fight Pacquiao on March 13th? Whatever your answer is to the above questions, the fact remains that Manny Pacquiao should have accepted team Mayweather's request for a more rigourous testing regime. Why you ask? There are several reasons. Mayweather's demands that both he and Pacquiao undergo random drug testing may not have been for the most honourable reasons. His intentions for such demands are questionable at best. Do we really believe it was for some righteous purpose, or a crusade to clean up a sport whose PED detection measures have been labelled "grossly inadequate." The answer is probably not! In some respects Mayweather could be lauded for wanting to show the world that arguably the biggest boxing match ever would be contested by two drug-free modern day gladiators. It's a nice proposition. It's more likely Mayweather wanted to apply some lessons learned from Sun Tzu's Art of War and gain an early advantage. Most have chosen to view the situation as an accusation levelled by Mayweather against Pacquiao asking if his recent march up the weight divisions has been entirely his own and not aided by something more sinister. As we all know (unless you have been living under a rock) Pacquiao chose not to agree to Mayweather's demands and the fight is "on hold." Surely the one they call The Pacman must have realised the damage that would be done to his reputation given his refusal? Many people (myself included) are now legitimately asking why Pacquiao would refuse to be randomly tested if he has nothing to hide? Surely his adviser/s in Bob Arum and Michael Koncz pointed out the forseeable questions that would be raised by refusing Mayweather's demands. Surely they would have pointed out the lingering damage this would do to his reputation. Inevitably his refusal would have many suspecting that maybe Floyd might be on to something. Agreeing to Mayweather's demands in a deliberate and immediate fashion would have laid this issue to rest swiftly, and would have made Floyd to look foolish and desperate for even asking. But now, the damage is done. Even if Pacquiao eventually agrees and is found to be clean, most will speculate why he refused to sign a contract to make potentially upwards of $40 million, and instead chose to fight a lesser (apologies to Joshua Clottey, but even he knows it's true) opponent for much less money. Perhaps Pacquiqo did not want to risk being beaten in the lead up to his tilt for political office in his native Phillipines. Or maybe Pacquiao's recent bulldozing of Hatton and Cotto was aided by illegal supplementation. Only the man himself truly knows the answer. Pacquiao appeared to have the upper hand over Mayweather when fight negotiations crumbled with the quick signing of a deal to face the rugged Joshua Clottey in Texas. This however has been trumped with the recent news of an all-American showdown in Vegas between the Pretty Boy and Sugar Shane Mosley, a fight that has been a decade in the making, a fight that should out-sell Pacquiao v Clottey in PPV sales two to one. Pacquiao not agreeing to random drug testing (in this writers opinion) may yet prove to be the biggest strategic error in a career that has been expertly guided by veteran promoter Bob Arum. If Mayweather were to beat Mosley (especially in a convincing fashion) the pressure and focus will shift from Floyd onto Pacquiao. The pressure to agree to random testing to make the biggest fight ever will continue to mount on the Phillipino icon who would have no choice but to comply or be roundly criticised. As it stands today Mayweather has the upper hand on Pacquiao from a moral viewpoint and a boxing viewpoint. Shane Mosley despite his advancing years is sill a more credible opponent than Joshua Clottey and Mayweather has the chance to turn the screws on Pacquaio if he can win big against Shane Mosley. For his part Shane Mosley will be looking to throw a wrench into Mayweather's grand plans on the night of May 1st at MGM Grand Las Vegas. Either way 2010 is shaping up as a big year in boxing. Are out of your mind or just came out from your queen butt hole? Pac agreed with Floyd's ridiculous demand about this outdated ancient Olympic random blood testing where nobody has been caught with 24 days cut-off plus everyday urine testing if Floyd wants him with this most advanced urine testing on the planet (NanotrapTM ESP Particles) so much better than this blood draining tactic Floyd wants to employ but coward Floyd still insisted that they must blood drain Pac many times during his 2 months training period and hours before the fight if Pac wants to fights him. What a coward and pussy.:****you:

By Check Hook Is Floyd Mayweather afraid to fight Manny Pacquiao? Was it just tasteless gamesmanship, an attempt to gain a mental edge? Did he really want to fight Pacquiao on March 13th? Whatever your answer is to the above questions, the fact remains that Manny Pacquiao should have accepted team Mayweather's request for a more rigourous testing regime. Why you ask? There are several reasons. Mayweather's demands that both he and Pacquiao undergo random drug testing may not have been for the most honourable reasons. His intentions for such demands are questionable at best. Do we really believe it was for some righteous purpose, or a crusade to clean up a sport whose PED detection measures have been labelled "grossly inadequate." The answer is probably not! In some respects Mayweather could be lauded for wanting to show the world that arguably the biggest boxing match ever would be contested by two drug-free modern day gladiators. It's a nice proposition. It's more likely Mayweather wanted to apply some lessons learned from Sun Tzu's Art of War and gain an early advantage. Most have chosen to view the situation as an accusation levelled by Mayweather against Pacquiao asking if his recent march up the weight divisions has been entirely his own and not aided by something more sinister. As we all know (unless you have been living under a rock) Pacquiao chose not to agree to Mayweather's demands and the fight is "on hold." Surely the one they call The Pacman must have realised the damage that would be done to his reputation given his refusal? Many people (myself included) are now legitimately asking why Pacquiao would refuse to be randomly tested if he has nothing to hide? Surely his adviser/s in Bob Arum and Michael Koncz pointed out the forseeable questions that would be raised by refusing Mayweather's demands. Surely they would have pointed out the lingering damage this would do to his reputation. Inevitably his refusal would have many suspecting that maybe Floyd might be on to something. Agreeing to Mayweather's demands in a deliberate and immediate fashion would have laid this issue to rest swiftly, and would have made Floyd to look foolish and desperate for even asking. But now, the damage is done. Even if Pacquiao eventually agrees and is found to be clean, most will speculate why he refused to sign a contract to make potentially upwards of $40 million, and instead chose to fight a lesser (apologies to Joshua Clottey, but even he knows it's true) opponent for much less money. Perhaps Pacquiqo did not want to risk being beaten in the lead up to his tilt for political office in his native Phillipines. Or maybe Pacquiao's recent bulldozing of Hatton and Cotto was aided by illegal supplementation. Only the man himself truly knows the answer. Pacquiao appeared to have the upper hand over Mayweather when fight negotiations crumbled with the quick signing of a deal to face the rugged Joshua Clottey in Texas. This however has been trumped with the recent news of an all-American showdown in Vegas between the Pretty Boy and Sugar Shane Mosley, a fight that has been a decade in the making, a fight that should out-sell Pacquiao v Clottey in PPV sales two to one. Pacquiao not agreeing to random drug testing (in this writers opinion) may yet prove to be the biggest strategic error in a career that has been expertly guided by veteran promoter Bob Arum. If Mayweather were to beat Mosley (especially in a convincing fashion) the pressure and focus will shift from Floyd onto Pacquiao. The pressure to agree to random testing to make the biggest fight ever will continue to mount on the Phillipino icon who would have no choice but to comply or be roundly criticised. As it stands today Mayweather has the upper hand on Pacquiao from a moral viewpoint and a boxing viewpoint. Shane Mosley despite his advancing years is sill a more credible opponent than Joshua Clottey and Mayweather has the chance to turn the screws on Pacquaio if he can win big against Shane Mosley. For his part Shane Mosley will be looking to throw a wrench into Mayweather's grand plans on the night of May 1st at MGM Grand Las Vegas. Either way 2010 is shaping up as a big year in boxing. While I don't agree with this in its entirety it was very well written. Nice job.

Pac's fighting Clottey Floyd's fighting Shane they moved on fans should too this is beating a dead horse True...........i will prob not comment on any more threads dedicated to this....just wanted to show the writers on this site how easy it is to whip somehting up in 10 minutes and have most of it be better than the garbage they come up with.........