WHAT ELSE IS HE TAKING?
Floyd took it legally. The guy you idolize (based on your name) took it ILLEGALLY.
You've officially lost your right to talk on the matter. Congrats!
Why do we need to make a detailed list? Isn't it enough to know that IT IS BANNED IN 49 STATES? Why use several paragraphs one ONE PHRASE WILL DO?
True, it IS banned within a week of the fight, so why then is floyd jr. ALLOWED TO INJECT IT IN HIS HANDS
JUST PRIOR TO A FIGHT?!?!?!?!
And it IS comparable to HGH, EPO and drugs of that nature because just like them, IT IS BANNED.
if floyd wont be allowed to have his shot of xylo before the fight, do you think it would affect his performance during the fight? basically, it would, right? therefore, it can be considered as enhancement drug for the fighter. i should agree with you that it should be banned also. if a fighter is drug dependent (legal or illegal drugs) that is clear cheating..
by the way, is it legal to give a shot of xylo on a fighter's chin and jaw before a fight in vegas? j/k... lol
The Mayweathers point the finger at other fighters for illegal substance use to cover up whatever they have been taking. Mayweather was built for the sport his genes are of boxers. He doesn't need numbing medication for his hands, his hands are strong enough. He uses it to numb the whole body so he can keep punching and not feel anything when being hit. There's a reason why it's banned and he's one of the reasons why.
Well, Roach's statement is a first hand information cuz he himself saw lydocaine injected to Floyd in his fights. He didn't say he HEARD SOMEONE SAY THEY SAW IT.
He saw it himself. And so far, Roach isn't the lying type. Besides, if Roach was lying, i don't think the Mayweather's would allow that to slide.
Yes, it does not add up.
If he was taking it, then why wasn't he caught? Or better yet, why isn't the commission supposedly responsible for preventing this not pressing this issue and asking Roach to clarify an otherwise damning statement?
There is a story behind this and i wish i knew what it was.
Nevertheless, i'm tired and have a big day tomorrow. I apologize HighUnderground but i have to sign off at this point. Its been great discussing civilly with you and i wish that this was the norm.
Good night and take care!
:nonono::nonono::nonono:
I'm sorry man, but Lampley's "just prior to" comment and a poorly written article from 7 years ago that references third hand information is not enough for me to say that Floyd uses Xylocaine right before he gets in the ring. Saying that is no more fair than somebody saying that Manny is definitely cheating because Teddy Atlas's inside source saw an email that said Manny's side wanted to cover up a positive test. See my point?
If he were to use it in the locker room before he went out to fight, there would be almost no way for him to pass his post fight test unless he used a completely fake sample, and there is no evidence or proof of anything like that. If you want to believe that's what he is doing, then by all means that is your right, but I don't think it adds up.
Well, Roach's statement is a first hand information cuz he himself saw lydocaine injected to Floyd in his fights. He didn't say he HEARD SOMEONE SAY THEY SAW IT.
He saw it himself. And so far, Roach isn't the lying type. Besides, if Roach was lying, i don't think the Mayweather's would allow that to slide.
Yes, it does not add up.
If he was taking it, then why wasn't he caught? Or better yet, why isn't the commission supposedly responsible for preventing this not pressing this issue and asking Roach to clarify an otherwise damning statement?
There is a story behind this and i wish i knew what it was.
Nevertheless, i'm tired and have a big day tomorrow. I apologize HighUnderground but i have to sign off at this point. Its been great discussing civilly with you and i wish that this was the norm.
Good night and take care!
It's a banned substance, why not make it in the list?
No, I'm just asking because I'm confused whether it's Mayweather or the agency to be followed. I'm confused with this phrase in the article: Floyd can dictate the terms of the drug testing. Anything that Floyd wants is all right
Because it's not a black and white issue. Drugs like that are needed to treat injuries during off time and even during training. It's not the same as using drugs like EPO and HGH. The effects of Xylocaine and Cortisone are localized and do not last very long. Also, the more a person uses it, the more tolerant they become and the less effective it is anyway. The idea that it completely numbs your hands from all pain is ridiculous. It's a therapeutic drug, not a chemically altering substance.
As for the article, that is just Mosley saying that he doesn't care how it's done. We already know that the USADA are doing the tests Olympic style.
Yes, i agree with you that Floyd NEVER dropped a dirty test in any of his fights.
But you must also agree with me that he did use Xylocaine in his fights based on the proofs i provided you.
I cannot explain why he got away with using it in spite of its prohibition, nor do i understand why the media doesn't acknowledge this seeming contradiction.
It is also a puzzle to me why few people want to deal with this issue since i believe it puts an unfair advantage for those using it.
Can you imagine facing an opponent who you know DOES NOT FEEL ANY PAIN IN HIS FISTS?
And ditto in your also being civil in our discussion.
Am sure he felt enough pain to go down against Carlos Hernandez from just hurting his hands. The point still is it legal to use it to protect all boxers hands just not one week before a fight, The NSAC test for this to be sure that it isnt taken a day before a fight, Prior can be 2 weeks before a fight so you saying lampley said Mayweather uses it prior to a fight is way off IMO.
Yes, i agree with you that Floyd NEVER dropped a dirty test in any of his fights.
But you must also agree with me that he did use Xylocaine in his fights based on the proofs i provided you.
I cannot explain why he got away with using it in spite of its prohibition, nor do i understand why the media doesn't acknowledge this seeming contradiction.
It is also a puzzle to me why few people want to deal with this issue since i believe it puts an unfair advantage for those using it.
Can you imagine facing an opponent who you know DOES NOT FEEL ANY PAIN IN HIS FISTS?
And ditto in your also being civil in our discussion.
I'm sorry man, but Lampley's "just prior to" comment and a poorly written article from 7 years ago that references third hand information is not enough for me to say that Floyd uses Xylocaine right before he gets in the ring. Saying that is no more fair than somebody saying that Manny is definitely cheating because Teddy Atlas's inside source saw an email that said Manny's side wanted to cover up a positive test. See my point?
If he were to use it in the locker room before he went out to fight, there would be almost no way for him to pass his post fight test unless he used a completely fake sample, and there is no evidence or proof of anything like that. If you want to believe that's what he is doing, then by all means that is your right, but I don't think it adds up.
You are putting a mild spin on the facts. You say "Floyd is the one using illegal drugs", but we know that when people talk about cleaning up boxing of drug cheaters they are not talking about people who get xylocaine and cortisone shots, they are talking about PEDs like HGH and EPO.
As for the drug testing for the Mosley fight, you are spinning again. The testing is being conducted by the USADA with Olympic standards, and Floyd will comply like anybody else who openly submits themselves for that style of testing.
It's a banned substance, why not make it in the list?
No, I'm just asking because I'm confused whether it's Mayweather or the agency to be followed. I'm confused with this phrase in the article: Floyd can dictate the terms of the drug testing. Anything that Floyd wants is all right
Afighter, the problem with what you are trying to argue is that Xlyocaine is tested for, and fighters have been reprimanded many times in the past for using it when they were not supposed to.
Floyd has fought in plenty of places besides Vegas and has never dropped a dirty test for any substance in any of his fights. That is a fact.
Now, in my OPINION, xylocaine is not a big deal to begin with, and most people seem to agree with that notion. It really is just a small number of people who seem to still be beating this drum, but I do respect that you can at least have a civil discussion about it.
Yes, i agree with you that Floyd NEVER dropped a dirty test in any of his fights.
But you must also agree with me that he did use Xylocaine in his fights based on the proofs i provided you.
I cannot explain why he got away with using it in spite of its prohibition, nor do i understand why the media doesn't acknowledge this seeming contradiction.
It is also a puzzle to me why few people want to deal with this issue since i believe it puts an unfair advantage for those using it.
Can you imagine facing an opponent who you know DOES NOT FEEL ANY PAIN IN HIS FISTS?
And ditto in your also being civil in our discussion.
I'm not a hater. I read this many times when it first comes out but I voiced out now because Floyd himself said he will try to clean the sport of boxing. But how can it be done when he's the one using something illegal? Plus, regarding the "cleaning of boxing", there's something fishy here: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=354798
You are putting a mild spin on the facts. You say "Floyd is the one using illegal drugs", but we know that when people talk about cleaning up boxing of drug cheaters they are not talking about people who get xylocaine and cortisone shots, they are talking about PEDs like HGH and EPO.
As for the drug testing for the Mosley fight, you are spinning again. The testing is being conducted by the USADA with Olympic standards, and Floyd will comply like anybody else who openly submits themselves for that style of testing.
Afighter, the problem with what you are trying to argue is that Xlyocaine is tested for, and fighters have been reprimanded many times in the past for using it when they were not supposed to.
Floyd has fought in plenty of places besides Vegas and has never dropped a dirty test for any substance in any of his fights. That is a fact.
Now, in my OPINION, xylocaine is not a big deal to begin with, and most people seem to agree with that notion. It really is just a small number of people who seem to still be beating this drum, but I do respect that you can at least have a civil discussion about it.
Why is there a need to start a thread and carry on about it unless you don't like the guy? :wtf:I'm not a hater. I read this many times when it first comes out but I voiced out now because Floyd himself said he will try to clean the sport of boxing. But how can it be done when he's the one using something illegal? Plus, regarding the "cleaning of boxing", there's something fishy here: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=354798
Why is there a need to start a thread and carry on about it unless you don't like the guy? :wtf:
Just look at the type of comments that this thread has generated.
Erm... To explain what you believe is right and true? To show how an injustice is continually perpetrated and should be stopped?
Yes, yes, irresponsible and stupid comments will always be found in forums, no matter how enlightened the discussion. But that shouldn't stop people from defending what they believe in.
I realize that it was said in the video, but you are missing the point.
The term "just prior to" does not necessarily mean on fight night or even the week the of the fight. Also, Freddie Roach saying that Floyd used it for other fights doesn't mean that he was using it illegally.
You do realize that Doctors from the commissions can permit the use of the drug to treat minor injuries, correct? When they test for it, they have a standard on how much trace amounts of certain substances are allowed to be in the fighter's system. If Floyd was ever doing anything outside the parameters of what was permitted when it comes to xylocaine, it would have likely come to light during all this nonsense.
Haters are just looking for reasons to keep a flame war going over something that is ridiculous.
True, "just prior to" may not mean it was used immediately before the fight. But please remember that Roach himself saw them use it and it would be safe to say they used it more than once IN A FIGHT. So one undisputed fact remains that Floyd jr. USED XYLOCAINE IN A FIGHT AT LEAST MORE THAN ONCE. I can't say that he's using it now since i don't have proof, but he used it more than once before.
So in short,
He used it.
On a fight.
True, they use it to treat injuries and the like, but if a person is injured to the point that HE HAS TO TAKE DRUGS TO FIGHT, then he has no business fighting in the first place.
It is true that haters from both sides want to maintain flame wars, but i assure you that my goal is not to spread hate, but simply to show you why i believe that Floyd's using Lydocaine in a fight is a very serious and why i believe that it SHOULD BE STOPPED.
And that he's a hypocrite for pretending to clean up the sport when he's deep in using drugs himself.
Anyway, my proof, though circumstantial that Floyd still uses Lydocaine is the fact that he suddenly, without explanation, bailed on fighting Manny at Texas in spite of that potentially adding MILLIONS to his purse.
Back to topic:
and when we mentioned about xylocaine, we hate mayweather as well?
Why is there a need to start a thread and carry on about it unless you don't like the guy? :wtf:
Just look at the type of comments that this thread has generated.
Hes nothin but a duckin cheater.
hes a fraud
shut up..using this drug is illegal coz it gives Floyd the unfair advantage. and this is not just an opinion from a drug user like Floyd Sr. this video proves that Floyd used this illegal substance before. Unlike u flomos who will start hate threads with opinions like ur god, Sr.
And then the fruit cake says that he will try to clean sport of boxing.
First he needs to stop using illegal XYLOCAINE