Can you become a better boxer after 25?

mayweather in this issue is just full of crap...it is not nice for any fighter to disgrace another fighter like that...he just loves the limelight and when the light became dimmer on him and brighter to pacquiao he couldnt take it and had to ruin his reputation due to jealousy. None of the great fighters in the past have asked for additional tests or say that their opponent is juicing..they just fight! amen..............

Mayweather doesn't think so.....Do you agree? Mayweather: "Manny wouldn't take a $25 million drug test. I'm trying to clean up sports, make a change... You don't start off your career as average, and then after your turn 25, become extraordinary... All we want is for Pacman to take a $25 million dollar drug test, and we got a fight" Before steroid allegations: Diaz is a bum ODLH is old and weight drained Hatton and Cotto are shot After steroid allegations: Pac is superhuman and is doing incredible things. He must be on steroids. Which is it? Just another way for haters to discredit a man who has accomplished more than Floyd. Get over it.

mayweather in this issue is just full of crap...it is not nice for any fighter to disgrace another fighter like that...he just loves the limelight and when the light became dimmer on him and brighter to pacquiao he couldnt take it and had to ruin his reputation due to jealousy. none of the Great fighters in the past have asked for additional tests or say that their opponent is juicing..They just fight!

If you have seen all of Pacs fights then you know damn well what I'm talking about (Jabs, uppercuts ect) Pacs wind has damn near tripled in what seems like overnight. That does not happen and you know it. You seem like a pretty smart guy and I'll assume it's just the loyalty to your fighter that keeps you defending him. But I'll also assume you see a different Pac recently but it wont be wise to just say that. So how much do you know about Alex Ariza? Whats his background and what other boxers have benifitted from this special blend he brags about? And tell me since you seem to know it all, Why does Pac not know what he's taking? I mean, he just met Alex and he just puts what he gives him in his body, no questions? Shyt, he's known Freddy what, 7-8 years. Freddy has a hard time giving him shakes and vitamins... I respect your loyalty but really, I question your honesty about what you see happening here. I hope you dont take that as a disrespect, it's not My loyalty goes only so far....I conclude based on facts. When exactly has Pacquiao's wind tripled? The only people who have taken Pacquiao to deep waters are ring legends--Morales and Marquez due to their styles...I saw no conditioning problems for any other fights. We know for a fact that Ariza worked with the late Diego Corrales...I hope Diego wasn't juicing.

Yeah but if u deny a test for 25 mill it makes u think

Not totally but. If a person would take the time and pay attention, they will see that it is very strange. I've sat and watched Mannys 5 fights before the Diaz fight. Manny has and pretty much does fight the same way, besides using his right a lil more now. But if you pay attention you'll see that before the Diaz fight, Manny would lose gas even after round 3. Freddy has been training Manny for years, nothing has changed except his right is better. Same footwork, same movement and same defense. I'm sure after all the years under Freddy Mannys way of training has not changed all that much. A few tweeks here and there yes, but for the most part its the same routine. Morales 1 Manny gets schooled, they both land hard shots. After rnd 2 manny is gassing out, getting rocked and rocking EM also but nothing out of the ordinary. Fights 2 and 3 were typical Pac wins, still nothing out of the ordinary. Pac vs JMM 1 and 2. Back and forth wars, Pac landing and JMM landing. Both gassing towards the later rounds, typical. The HBO announcers are even saying, "All the wars seem to be catching up to Pac" They were basing that on his last few fights, seeing a decline. NOW Pac ads Alex Ariza, moves to 135 and Destroys Diaz in 9. The announcers praise Pac and are impressed at how fast he has gotten And how ripped he is. So what happend? Did Freddy change something? I'm not pointing to PEDs but, is it the suppaments that Alex is giving him now? Pac became a ripped motor when Alex came. He got faster, stronger and his endurance doubled overnight it seems. We all know what happend to Oscar, Hatton and Cotto so no need to go there. But this Pac aint the same Pac from his last 50 fights. This Pac showed up when they got Alex. Its odd because its like overnight he became a Monster! I love Pac but unless you really pay attention to who he has been all these years you won't see it. And I'm sorry but I can't buy it. dude, if u ask me... since the diaz fight, pacquaio has fought more as a boxer, meaning throwing jabs, going in and out, move side to side, and throwing 3,4,5, 6 combo punches...it carried over to delahoya, to hatton and cotto. although pacquiao beat morales II and morales III, manny did look somewhat wild at times...but things got polished and improved from diaz and up.

The massive flaw in that statement is that Pacquiao was never ordinary or an average fighter. He was just unrefined, major, major difference. Pacquiao was always an extraordinary talent with an awkward style, and once he was refined, well, we see what he is now. Great post :)

Mayweather doesn't think so.....Do you agree? Mayweather: "Manny wouldn't take a $25 million drug test. I'm trying to clean up sports, make a change... You don't start off your career as average, and then after your turn 25, become extraordinary... All we want is for Pacman to take a $25 million dollar drug test, and we got a fight" That's a crock of shit coming out Jr.s mouth. Anybody who has the will, desire, passion, motivation, ablity, and the right people behind them can become great. Mayweather just an idiot who wouldn't know anything about that.!

Pac is a perfect example of this.

And I will tell you....I have seen all of Pacquiao's fights since he's moved stateside starting with Ledwaba...and if you can actually tell me that the present Pacquiao, as a boxer, looks the same as when he first fought Eric Morales, Barrera, Marquez...then there is no point in continuing with this argument. If improved right hooks, uppercuts, jabs is all a biproduct of PEDs....sign me up. If getting a certified conditioning coach and nutritionist doesn't help either I don't know what will, the former which Pacquiao lacked since he worked with Justine Fortune for the past 7/8 years until recently. And no, Pacquiao is not God, and I don't exactly know what the relevance is other than to take jab at a 3rd world country's status. Drawing up hasty conclusions to try a validate the reasons why people are denying what's in front of them, in Pacquiao case, seems to come up short with sound reasoning, but I don't deny that the recent allegations has brought a cloud of suspicion over Packy's head. I don't really see the Barry Bond link---Pacquiao was never really small to begin with.If you have seen all of Pacs fights then you know damn well what I'm talking about (Jabs, uppercuts ect) Pacs wind has damn near tripled in what seems like overnight. That does not happen and you know it. You seem like a pretty smart guy and I'll assume it's just the loyalty to your fighter that keeps you defending him. But I'll also assume you see a different Pac recently but it wont be wise to just say that. So how much do you know about Alex Ariza? Whats his background and what other boxers have benifitted from this special blend he brags about? And tell me since you seem to know it all, Why does Pac not know what he's taking? I mean, he just met Alex and he just puts what he gives him in his body, no questions? Shyt, he's known Freddy what, 7-8 years. Freddy has a hard time giving him shakes and vitamins... I respect your loyalty but really, I question your honesty about what you see happening here. I hope you dont take that as a disrespect, it's not

How about reading the quote again. He said you dont go from being mediocure to great after 25. Great fighter start out with somethin extra. You know "IT". There are no fighters that get "IT" all of a sudden. You mean as in pacquiao knocking down Barrera and Marquez in their initial battles even though the guy could hardly box during the time when he was 24/25? Is that the "it" factor?

That was a stupid statement. 25 is late to start, but I don't think it's too out of the ordinary to believe that Pac has better training, nutrition, and conditioning now that he's a superstar. Should we believe a dedicated hater? (someone who will waste time on photoshop trying to make Floyd look bad)

You once asked me, "How many Pac fights have I seen" I ask you "How many Pac fights have you seen?" I'm not even talking about the KOs, I'm speaking on the "New" Pacquiao I've seen in the last 2 years. Its almost like you deny that there is something different. The reason I say Diaz was weak is because Pac fans hype him to be a monster... Diaz is no monster.. Pac fans say Hatton was a monster and look at what Pac did to him... Hatton is and was no monster.. Cotto is this and that and look at what Pac did to him, sorry Thats not the same Cotto as before. Point is People deny whats in front of them because they either dont want to see it, are too dumb to know or flat out dont care.. People want to think Manny is some God, but NO. Manny has JUST become this monster and I question why.. All the suspect moves and statements, the backtracking dodging and lies... Dude, I'm not dumb or stupid and I dont have selective hearing or memory. Team Pac seems to be hiding something, I wont say what it is cause I dont know but it sure seems Barry Bondish to me. Sorry And I will tell you....I have seen all of Pacquiao's fights since he's moved stateside starting with Ledwaba...and if you can actually tell me that the present Pacquiao, as a boxer, looks the same as when he first fought Eric Morales, Barrera, Marquez...then there is no point in continuing with this argument. If improved right hooks, uppercuts, jabs is all a biproduct of PEDs....sign me up. If getting a certified conditioning coach and nutritionist doesn't help either I don't know what will, the former which Pacquiao lacked since he worked with Justine Fortune for the past 7/8 years until recently. And no, Pacquiao is not God, and I don't exactly know what the relevance is other than to take jab at a 3rd world country's status. Drawing up hasty conclusions to try a validate the reasons why people are denying what's in front of them, in Pacquiao case, seems to come up short with sound reasoning, but I don't deny that the recent allegations has brought a cloud of suspicion over Packy's head. I don't really see the Barry Bond link---Pacquiao was never really small to begin with.

That's my point...it's either he's roiding, weak opponents, or it's both....you guys can't keeping saying he has shitty opponents than say "he massacred Diaz once he got Ariza after moving up to 135" I'm not saying Pacquiao is helping his case by offering a cut off date of 24 days but their should be a better argument to try suggest he's on PEDs. Valero plans to move up to 140 after his next title defense...and when he starts KOing guys like Hatton we'll have to start saying he's roiding because he started at 126, and there is a strong possibility he might even go up to 147 to chase after Pacquiao. You once asked me, "How many Pac fights have I seen" I ask you "How many Pac fights have you seen?" I'm not even talking about the KOs, I'm speaking on the "New" Pacquiao I've seen in the last 2 years. Its almost like you deny that there is something different. The reason I say Diaz was weak is because Pac fans hype him to be a monster... Diaz is no monster.. Pac fans say Hatton was a monster and look at what Pac did to him... Hatton is and was no monster.. Cotto is this and that and look at what Pac did to him, sorry Thats not the same Cotto as before. Point is People deny whats in front of them because they either dont want to see it, are too dumb to know or flat out dont care.. People want to think Manny is some God, but NO. Manny has JUST become this monster and I question why.. All the suspect moves and statements, the backtracking dodging and lies... Dude, I'm not dumb or stupid and I dont have selective hearing or memory. Team Pac seems to be hiding something, I wont say what it is cause I dont know but it sure seems Barry Bondish to me. Sorry

and how does he get fighter of the year and decade if his opposition is that weak according to you? That's my point...it's either he's roiding, weak opponents, or it's both....you guys can't keeping saying he has shitty opponents than say "he massacred Diaz once he got Ariza after moving up to 135" I'm not saying Pacquiao is helping his case by offering a cut off date of 24 days but their should be a better argument to try suggest he's on PEDs. Valero plans to move up to 140 after his next title defense...and when he starts KOing guys like Hatton we'll have to start saying he's roiding because he started at 126, and there is a strong possibility he might even go up to 147 to chase after Pacquiao.

Pac was a champ at 21 so he was never ordinary. RIght from the outset he had talent. David Haye lost to old man carl thompson,when haye was young and has improved so it really is ridiculous what pbF has said. He cant seem to come to terms that there is one man on the planet rated higher than him. Is it so hard to imagine one person out of 6 bilion being better than you PBF?

I don't think he's being wholly serious with that quote...Didn't he used to praise Manny before? Obviously he doesn't think Manny was ordinary its just hype and stoking the flames trying to get reaction from the public and from Pacquiao's team, just like Roach when he says Mayweather is a coward etc.

Of course you can get better after 25! A lot of Boxer turn pro when they already are over 25!

Well, your claim of Alex giving Pacquiao the good sauce seems rather rash if you actually look at other facts---for one, Diaz hardly touched Pacquiao, was considered by many here on NSB as a paper champ; Hatton, who was constantly hurt by guys through out his career and was never seen as a good boxer to begin with, and there is Cotto---who some considered irreparably damaged after the Margarito fight....I mean, how come people forgot this when the steroid allegations came up?and how does he get fighter of the year and decade if his opposition is that weak according to you?

Mayweather doesn't think so.....Do you agree? Mayweather: "Manny wouldn't take a $25 million drug test. I'm trying to clean up sports, make a change... You don't start off your career as average, and then after your turn 25, become extraordinary... All we want is for Pacman to take a $25 million dollar drug test, and we got a fight" depends on when you started really...if u started at 22 or 23 then maybe yes...or maybe not..