The Gameplan that Roach inplemented againest Floyd Mayweather heavily relyed on....

Here's Marquez landing that 45 degree punch I was talking about. Watch the combo at the 1:50 mark. Marquez flurries, misses with the right and left, then holds his right hand above Mayweathers head for a split second so Mayweather doesn't roll back up, then lands that 45. Beautiful sequence by Marquez. http://i50.tinypic.com/1yq2wz.png http://i46.tinypic.com/2hwgpco.png http://i46.tinypic.com/24o8rad.png http://i46.tinypic.com/142d4er.png

The problem with that, is that it doesn't seem to have any effect. Some fighters just aren't vulnerable to body shots. Look how Muhammad Ali let George Foreman bang his body for 8 rounds with no effect. I thought about that. I've only seen about 10 Mayweather fights, but the ones I have, he doesn't seem phased by body shots. I doubt he's going to take Mayweather out with a body shot, but its one of the few punches he can land clean. Even though it might not hurt him as much as we think, I doubt Mayweather wants Mosley taking hard shots at his body every time he rolls to his right. It should be good for scoring purposes and it might give Mayweather something to think about before he rolls right. Can't wait to see how this fight plays out. :boxing:

I was watching Mosley/Margarito last night and i couldn't see the great jab people were talking about. Mosley would just flick out the jab and half the time it would hit air or glove, the only time he would really throw it hard was when it was aimed at the body. The jab was used effectively by Mosley to blind Marg and get him out of position for the right hand, but it was ineffective on it's own. Although Mayweather doesn't use it often he has a very solid jab to both the head and body,something i believe would be the key to keeping Mosley off of him.

Mosley has a phenomenal Jab, Mosley is the only fighter I know of who has scored a legitimate KD with the jab. His problem is that he gets in the habit of flicking it out to hide a right hand behind it. The way he used the Jab against Margarito was brilliant. Upstairs, downstairs, stiff, flicking, everything. You are right though, the Jab is the key to beating Floyd, its not being tricky, or sneaky, that will only work once, then Floyd will catch on. Mosley needs to use his Jab, use his angles, and use his body punching. Floyd loves to Jab to the body over and over and over, then come with a left hook upstairs. Thats his game. Mosley needs to be willing to take those body jabs and shoot a right hand over the top of every single one. Taking that weapon away from Floyd basically neuters his offensive arsenal. As much as he loves to pot shot right hands, its something he only does once he is in control of a fight, and the way he gets in control? His body jab. Take that away, and he struggles. That's a very good observation. It should be noted that most of the extremely fast boxers judah, jones, berto even mayweather don't use the jab that often or in conventional fashion. Their speed allows them to get away with it. In most cases mosley's natural speed advantage, which he has over most of his opponents, allows him to get away with not throwing an effective jab. In the cotto fight even without throwing an effective jab he was still able to hit cotto pretty cleaning. The Margarito fight showed that he can use it effectively. It wasn't only shane's ability to land it that was impressive, it was his ability to throw it with conviction. Something that we don't see him do too often. In fighting floyd, mosley for the first time will be fighting someone who is just as fast or faster than himself. This most likely will force him to use his jab more effectively.

I agree. I'd be surprised if he doesn't take advantage of it a few times. I think Mosley should definitely invest i right hands to the body. Mayweather usually uses his left arm to cover his ribs, but sometimes he leaves that area open, its one of the few holes in his defence and Mosley has to take advantage of every opportunity he gets. http://i49.tinypic.com/2r56czl.png http://i45.tinypic.com/333ljme.png http://i47.tinypic.com/2nk2735.png http://i49.tinypic.com/2ugp0zt.png The problem with that, is that it doesn't seem to have any effect. Some fighters just aren't vulnerable to body shots. Look how Muhammad Ali let George Foreman bang his body for 8 rounds with no effect.

Its there to be taken but its cheap, dirty, and dangerous. I agree. I'd be surprised if he doesn't take advantage of it a few times. I think Mosley should definitely invest i right hands to the body. Mayweather usually uses his left arm to cover his ribs, but sometimes he leaves that area open, its one of the few holes in his defence and Mosley has to take advantage of every opportunity he gets. http://i49.tinypic.com/2r56czl.png http://i45.tinypic.com/333ljme.png http://i47.tinypic.com/2nk2735.png http://i49.tinypic.com/2ugp0zt.png

A good right hand. (Which Mosley has) If you remember the 24-7 for Oscar-Mayweather, you will remember that Roach was trying to develop Oscar's right, because Roach feels that Floyds shoulder roll is open to a right down the pipe. Do you guys think Mosley will be able to have success with the right?? I mean Oscar did land it a few times, and so did JMM. What's your take? Is the shoulder roll a invite for a right? no one is better at avoiding straight rights than Mayweather, that said Mosley actually has the type of right (with a bit of a loop) to get to Floyd. Judging from the Marquez fight Mosley will need to land early and often to the body to take some of Mayweathers movement away otherwise FMJ will likely be able to use movement to control the tempo and distance.

I think mosley's gameplan would be roughing floyd on the inside. Richardson and Hopkins I bet showed Shane a few tricks. They gonna try to take floyd off his game, take his mentality away which is probably impossible. But if anyone can do it, its Shane. A lil' bit of what Ricky Hatton did, but alot smarter, quicker, and stronger.

Exactly what I was thinking, you just said it much better. I Don't think an ordinary left hook will do. Mayweather always anticipates the left hook after he rolls to his right. I think something like the punch Oscar used to throw, he called them 45's, something between a hook and an uppercut. I figured Mosley should aim for the solar plexus or chest area, that way if Mayweather rolls back to his left, the punch might graze his body and possibly clip Mayweather right on the chin, if Mayweather decides to stay in the pocket, Mosley should be able to slip in some vicious body shot. Sounds good in theory. :dunno: What do you think about Mosley throwing a looping right to Mayweather's left kidney area when he rolls to his right? Its there to be taken but its cheap, dirty, and dangerous.

Floyd won't go on the ropes too much. Shane Mosley will start strong and fast, win the first couple of rounds but then Mayweather will adjust and outbox him and probably win a Split decision or something. It will be a very very close fight.

I think its a good idea, but I have personally never seen Floyd in any discomfort from body shots. I agree. Though you never know, sometimes it just takes one well timed shot. Perhaps Mosley can land enough solid shots were he'll have Mayweather second guessing whether he should shoulder roll in certain situations, therefore taking away one of his assets. Who knows. I'm just throwing a few ideas out there. BTW: good call on the body jab.

Mosley has a phenomenal Jab, Mosley is the only fighter I know of who has scored a legitimate KD with the jab. His problem is that he gets in the habit of flicking it out to hide a right hand behind it. The way he used the Jab against Margarito was brilliant. Upstairs, downstairs, stiff, flicking, everything. You are right though, the Jab is the key to beating Floyd, its not being tricky, or sneaky, that will only work once, then Floyd will catch on. Mosley needs to use his Jab, use his angles, and use his body punching. Floyd loves to Jab to the body over and over and over, then come with a left hook upstairs. Thats his game. Mosley needs to be willing to take those body jabs and shoot a right hand over the top of every single one. Taking that weapon away from Floyd basically neuters his offensive arsenal. As much as he loves to pot shot right hands, its something he only does once he is in control of a fight, and the way he gets in control? His body jab. Take that away, and he struggles. He paws too much witht the jab...thats is a very bad habit....its ok to leave it out as a rangefirnder but if u are going to do that you should look at the way KT did it....not mosley....he leaves it out to find his range but paws with it....

no the right hand on a right handed stanced fighter limits the area where they can hit someone using a shoulder roll. The fighter in a shoulder roll defense can turn his left shoulder inward limiting the area where a right can go through and land truth be told a southpaw heavy with a left hand both as a lead and as a 1-2 lands on a shoulder roll better good to see some1 knows what theyr are on about.....much easier to hit floyd with a str8 left from a southpaw stance than a str8 right from an ortho stance.....good stuff

Mosley has a phenomenal Jab, Mosley is the only fighter I know of who has scored a legitimate KD with the jab. His problem is that he gets in the habit of flicking it out to hide a right hand behind it. The way he used the Jab against Margarito was brilliant. Upstairs, downstairs, stiff, flicking, everything. You are right though, the Jab is the key to beating Floyd, its not being tricky, or sneaky, that will only work once, then Floyd will catch on. Mosley needs to use his Jab, use his angles, and use his body punching. Floyd loves to Jab to the body over and over and over, then come with a left hook upstairs. Thats his game. Mosley needs to be willing to take those body jabs and shoot a right hand over the top of every single one. Taking that weapon away from Floyd basically neuters his offensive arsenal. As much as he loves to pot shot right hands, its something he only does once he is in control of a fight, and the way he gets in control? His body jab. Take that away, and he struggles. mosley has a phenominal jab??what shane have you been watchin and in what fights was it on display?margarito went to that rocky schol, of defense so any punch you throw is gonna land on that guy.anytime he's had to box,forrest,oscar,mayorga,cotto,winky,his jab has been non-existent.he hardly ever throw jabs past flicks.his only good punches are hooks to the body,which havent even really been effective since he's been at 47 an 54.shanes a brawler with great hand spped,which most brawlers dont have for a jab to be effective you need a height or speed advantage and shane doesnt have either.his best bet is to stick to his strengths an make it a rough,physical brawl.he needs to pull a page outta hopkins book if he wants to win

yes...you can shoulder roll on the move....but you cant counter effectively while on the move which is what i was alluding to. Floyd has great defense. but like freddie roach says..."so what? defense doesnt win fights." If floyd wants to be defensive then fine. The danger comes when he counters, and does it effectively. so dont let him set his feet to be able to counter effectively. So like i said...if shane was to have any chance of winning. it'll be with his feet. if he can keep mayweather moving and not letting him set his feet, and not stopping right in front of floyd who will have the superior reflexes to sneak in 2 or 3 shots and move again before mosley can even react. Yes you can, Bernard Hopkins does it all the time.

Exactly what I was thinking, you just said it much better. I Don't think an ordinary left hook will do. Mayweather always anticipates the left hook after he rolls to his right. I think something like the punch Oscar used to throw, he called them 45's, something between a hook and an uppercut. I figured Mosley should aim for the solar plexus or chest area, that way if Mayweather rolls back to his left, the punch might graze his body and possibly clip Mayweather right on the chin, if Mayweather decides to stay in the pocket, Mosley should be able to slip in some vicious body shot. Sounds good in theory. :dunno: What do you think about Mosley throwing a looping right to Mayweather's left kidney area when he rolls to his right? I think its a good idea, but I have personally never seen Floyd in any discomfort from body shots.

i think a good jab is the best weapon to have against mayweather. it's the only thing that seems to disrupt him a little bit. mosley has no jab. Mosley has a phenomenal Jab, Mosley is the only fighter I know of who has scored a legitimate KD with the jab. His problem is that he gets in the habit of flicking it out to hide a right hand behind it. The way he used the Jab against Margarito was brilliant. Upstairs, downstairs, stiff, flicking, everything. You are right though, the Jab is the key to beating Floyd, its not being tricky, or sneaky, that will only work once, then Floyd will catch on. Mosley needs to use his Jab, use his angles, and use his body punching. Floyd loves to Jab to the body over and over and over, then come with a left hook upstairs. Thats his game. Mosley needs to be willing to take those body jabs and shoot a right hand over the top of every single one. Taking that weapon away from Floyd basically neuters his offensive arsenal. As much as he loves to pot shot right hands, its something he only does once he is in control of a fight, and the way he gets in control? His body jab. Take that away, and he struggles.

Okay, you do that once, then Floyd doesn't fall for it the second time... then what? u get hit.

A good right hand. (Which Mosley has) If you remember the 24-7 for Oscar-Mayweather, you will remember that Roach was trying to develop Oscar's right, because Roach feels that Floyds shoulder roll is open to a right down the pipe. Do you guys think Mosley will be able to have success with the right?? I mean Oscar did land it a few times, and so did JMM. What's your take? Is the shoulder roll a invite for a right? lol, okay. So Roach is going to make Pacquiao fight orthodox? If not, then it has to be the LEFT hand not the right. Pacquiao already has a good left hand. The problem with Roach's logic is that FLOYD NEVER USES THE SHOULDER ROLL DEFENSE OUTSIDE OF CLINCHING RANGE. So having a good left or right dont mean shit. Because you can't throw those punches from clinching range.

Feints need to be used to beat Floyd. Feint a right with a shoulder twitch and then when Floyd commits with the shoulder roll, follow through underneath with a right hook to the exposed ribs and lats. A few of those should have Floyd loweing his left elbow when he goes to roll, which would allow for the right over top. Mosley needs to rough Floyd up all night against the ropes and give him no space at all. It can be done, but it won't be easy Okay, you do that once, then Floyd doesn't fall for it the second time... then what?