My take on the steroids/peds issue

Since all this steroids accusations are based on speculations, I would like to speculate on the matter from a different perspective. Manny Pacquiao, Fighter of the Decade, if he is taking steroids/peds, wouldn't he need an accomplice and/or a supplier? The guy is a boxer, who barely finished high school, can't be doing all this steroids to himself by himself. If he is using state-of-the-art steroids that is undetectable by current standard testings, he must have a supplier. If a supplier has such a product, they would have more than one customer. The point is, there would be more people involve in this conspiracy and it's riskier for it to stay under wraps. If Manny is on steroids, someone would have come out by now, with proof, and Manny would be in big trouble. Not to mention the amount of money (i.e. book deals and exclusive interviews) to the first guy to break silence. I'm not gonna bring up the he say, she say arguments and the guilty 'till proven innocent stance. This is my take on the matter and believed that this is too big to stay secret. See BALCO, Conte, Mosley, Jones. Thats stupid. Why would their supplier go out and reveal them when he wasn't busted himself? All the guys who did steroids in baseball were busted because a guy who did steroids was busted. Jose Conseco was busted, they banned him from the HOF, so he revealed everyone. Which in turn revealed the suppliers, and the suppliers weren't gonna go down by themselves so they revealed the people they gave steroids too. So your logic is flawed. Pacquiao's supplier was never busted, therefore he isn't going to bring down Pacquiao. Also, the people who supply athletes with steroids are in the Sport industry themselves. So if they say "Yeah I gave Pacquiao steroids." Their whole career is down the drain. Alot of them are doctors as well, so they will be busted and put in prison for bring illegal drugs into the USA, then supplying illegal drugs to athletes. So thats all types of federal laws being broken right there. How much time in the slam is that? 15+ years? Gtfo if you think anyone is gonna risk 15+ years in prison just to reveal Pacquiao. (I don't know if Pacquiao does steroids or not. All I do know, and all I argue on the matter is that Pacquiao didn't want to fight Mayweather. Not the other way around.)

What you have left is just assuming. And McGwire ratting out Canseco proves what exactly? That 10-15 years later the truth will emerge? Good to know. See how easy it is to dismiss assumptions. But yet when Floyd Sr. made similar speculations, fanboys like you preach it like it's from the gospel of Floyd. Occam's Razor says, that Floyd Jr. used the steroids/peds issue as a security blanket if and when the fight doesn't get made or he loses the bout. He isn't necessarily a coward, but he didn't foresee his angle costing him a $40 million payday. /end thread.

You say that my argument is weak, but yet made a similar argument. Conseco ratting out McGwire. Are you saying that Holyfield was on steroids for 20 years? Link? Or can we only assume his link to steroids goes only as far as the pharmaceutical company goes? What you have left is just assuming. And McGwire ratting out Canseco proves what exactly? That 10-15 years later the truth will emerge? Good to know.

so the commission is questionable? why fight? commission run the rules and not him. Commissions don't run anything. Promoters do.

Because if the commission cared about cleaning up the sport, he wouldn't have to. so the commission is questionable? why fight? commission run the rules and not him.

This is one of the weakest arguments I've ever heard. If Jose Canseco hadn't outed Mark McGwire, would we know today? It took 20-something years before Evander Holyfield was caught. And on, and on. You say that my argument is weak, but yet made a similar argument. Conseco ratting out McGwire. Are you saying that Holyfield was on steroids for 20 years? Link? Or can we only assume his link to steroids goes only as far as the pharmaceutical company goes?

If floyd wants to clean up sports why don't he proposed that to the commission? Because if the commission cared about cleaning up the sport, he wouldn't have to.

If floyd wants to clean up sports why don't he proposed that to the commission?

This would be too big for someone not to crack or get caught (doesn't have to be Manny, any of his known/unknown accomplices would do). History also tells us that it takes half the time to unfold a scandal from the one the preceeded it. Steroids/peds might be a step ahead of testing, but most plans are spoiled by the human factor. This is one of the weakest arguments I've ever heard. If Jose Canseco hadn't outed Mark McGwire, would we know today? It took 20-something years before Evander Holyfield was caught. And on, and on.

Since all this steroids accusations are based on speculations, I would like to speculate on the matter from a different perspective. Manny Pacquiao, Fighter of the Decade, if he is taking steroids/peds, wouldn't he need an accomplice and/or a supplier? The guy is a boxer, who barely finished high school, can't be doing all this steroids to himself by himself. If he is using state-of-the-art steroids that is undetectable by current standard testings, he must have a supplier. If a supplier has such a product, they would have more than one customer. The point is, there would be more people involve in this conspiracy and it's riskier for it to stay under wraps. If Manny is on steroids, someone would have come out by now, with proof, and Manny would be in big trouble. Not to mention the amount of money (i.e. book deals and exclusive interviews) to the first guy to break silence. I'm not gonna bring up the he say, she say arguments and the guilty 'till proven innocent stance. This is my take on the matter and believed that this is too big to stay secret. See BALCO, Conte, Mosley, Jones. In order for it to come out someone would have to be looking. One of the reasons why so many athletes in the US started using steroids (and cocaine) in the 70s and 80s was because no one was looking. In fact, no one really started looking until about 2000 or so. Might it be possible that no one is looking for steroids in East Asia and the Pacific Islands just as no one was looking when Jose Canseco and Mark McGwire were the "Bash Brothers?"

Your saying if Manny was a user there should be alot of nervous individuals right now. Ariza? Roach? Kahn? Bienvenides? etc? The steroids allegation is straigh bullshit.... Judging by their bullshit excuses, it doesn't seem too farfetched. Hell, it was really their dumbass excuses that brought forth more suspicion than Floyd Sr. should be given credit for. If they would have been straight with the issue, this would have blown over by now. But they chose to use up every excuse in the book, entertain Floyd's proposition, and then turn around and walk away, even when Floyd came to more than accommodating terms.

true, but in the history of steroids, that's the only case that everyone involved was outed. The Festina scandal in cycling in 1998 caused 2 year bans to the riders on the team. The director sportif went to jail.

Your saying if Manny was a user there should be alot of nervous individuals right now. This would be too big for someone not to crack or get caught (doesn't have to be Manny, any of his known/unknown accomplices would do). History also tells us that it takes half the time to unfold a scandal from the one the preceeded it. Steroids/peds might be a step ahead of testing, but most plans are spoiled by the human factor.

Your saying if Manny was a user there should be alot of nervous individuals right now. Ariza? Roach? Kahn? Bienvenides? etc? The steroids allegation is straigh bullshit....

The public doesn't want to find out or so it has been up untill very recently. Still an operation on a much bigger scale existed in procycling for well over a decade. Hundres of riders and probably more behind the scenes was involved. The public had suspicions for sure, but nobody did anything about it untill it was too obvious. Manny is FOTD, so there is attention now. The fans are also splitted on the matter. Can we say that it's obvious in Boxing now? Floyd is claiming that he wants to "clean-up" the sport.

My post is not only limited to someone ratting on the operation. The more people involve, more likely someone ELSE getting caught and bringing down everyone with them. Who was the weak-link on the BALCO scandal? and how long did it take to come up with a list of suspected athletes? true, but in the history of steroids, that's the only case that everyone involved was outed.

Which is usually years after you retire in most cases. Case in point, Mark McGwire, Canseco. exactly. My position is that steroids will always be one step ahead of the testing created to detect it; therefore the testing always has to change to accommodate. **** Mayweather. **** Pacquiao. Random Olympic style blood testing is good for the sport of boxing, especially when an unfair advantage is a matter of life and death.

If your a supplier or someone involved i'm sure your already getting compensated very well and will continue to be compensated, why risk that? steroids and professional sports have been tied together for years and most times you don't find out until you get caught or until your conscience catches up with you. My post is not only limited to someone ratting on the operation. The more people involve, more likely someone ELSE getting caught and bringing down everyone with them. Who was the weak-link on the BALCO scandal? and how long did it take to come up with a list of suspected athletes?

Since all this steroids accusations are based on speculations, I would like to speculate on the matter from a different perspective. Manny Pacquiao, Fighter of the Decade, if he is taking steroids/peds, wouldn't he need an accomplice and/or a supplier? The guy is a boxer, who barely finished high school, can't be doing all this steroids to himself by himself. If he is using state-of-the-art steroids that is undetectable by current standard testings, he must have a supplier. If a supplier has such a product, they would have more than one customer. The point is, there would be more people involve in this conspiracy and it's riskier for it to stay under wraps. If Manny is on steroids, someone would have come out by now, with proof, and Manny would be in big trouble. Not to mention the amount of money (i.e. book deals and exclusive interviews) to the first guy to break silence. I'm not gonna bring up the he say, she say arguments and the guilty 'till proven innocent stance. This is my take on the matter and believed that this is too big to stay secret. See BALCO, Conte, Mosley, Jones. The public doesn't want to find out or so it has been up untill very recently. Still an operation on a much bigger scale existed in procycling for well over a decade. Hundres of riders and probably more behind the scenes was involved. The public had suspicions for sure, but nobody did anything about it untill it was too obvious.

If your a supplier or someone involved i'm sure your already getting compensated very well and will continue to be compensated, why risk that? steroids and professional sports have been tied together for years and most times you don't find out until you get caught or until your conscience catches up with you. Which is usually years after you retire in most cases. Case in point, Mark McGwire, Canseco.