Which is a tougher opponent? Clottey or Mosley?

What an idiot you are. "Clottey is a tougher fighter than Mosley". Yeah, the same Clottey that stopped throwing punches late against Cotto while Mosley kept trying to knock Cotto out late. The same Clottey that doesnt have the speed or power of Mosley. The same Clottey who has folded late in his biggest fights.This is just your thinly veiled attempt at trying to discredit the Mayweather-Mosley fight.Not much different from when you said Pacquiao would have knocked out Sugar Ray Leonard. You are a disgrace to boxing. BTW, that was a sorry bunch of Euro heavyweights you claimed the US writer "overlooked". Obviously Mosley...I mean look at Clottey. He couldn't even knock a blown up, old Diego Corrales out and Mayweather dropped him 5 times at a lower weight class. Not to mention Corrales gave Clottey trouble, while Floyd dominated every round and stopped him. Mayweather would run circles around Clottey the same way he did to Baldomir, countering every punch he throws. Heck, Clottey actually reminds me of a younger, more skilled version of Baldomir with defensive. The only good fights that Clottey has won (or came close to winning) ALL involved headbutts. I'm willing to bet my Pacquiao-Clottey tickets that Freddie Roach is going to request a disqualification if Clottey uses his head against Pacquiao (which I REALLY see happening). Mosley on the other hand has a similar chin (or better), handspeed, more strength, more skill, and neither really have much legs but I'd even give that advantage to Mosley because he isn't flat footed. Mosley was also on his way to stopping Cotto in round 10 before they were pulled apart due to water on the floor. From there Cotto ran his way into a decision because he knew he would have gotten stopped. While I believe Mayweather would put on a boxing clinic against Clottey, he definitely wouldn't do the same against Mosley. I think it would be as close as the De La Hoya fight. A+ posts...

Does anyone agree with me when I say that Mayweather would put on another boxing clinic against Joshua Clottey, similar to what he did against Baldomir? im sure many would agree with you on that point but those if us who have seen clottey fight more then 2 times know that he is a much more skilled strong faster fighter then baldomir ever was.

As tough as Clottey is, he just doesn't have the intangibles, workrate, and boxing IQ as Mosley. I take nothing away from Clottey, he is a very good fighter, but he's not on Mosleys level, even at age 38.

Many thought he won the fight with Cotto. Clottey is in his prime, Mosley is a great fighter but past his prime. Clottey is the tougher fight right now, in 2007 it would have been Mosley. What a joke.

Getting caught cheating is not an excuse for losing as far as I'm concerned. By the same token I can very easily say Cotto was not the same fighter after his fight with Margarito. Which would make him a better fighter for the Mosley fight than he was for Clottey. As far as Margarito's fight with Mosley, Margarito fought the same waty he always does. Relentless pressure. It's not like he was timid or reluctant which might have happened if he was truly affected mentally. I see a lot of people trying to discredit Mosley's win but I don't see in any way how Margarito could ever beat Mosley with that style. He far too slow and it plats into Mosleys style. I'm not using the triangle theory. I was actually responding to your comment that Clottey fought a better fight against Cotto than Mosley. I just countered by saying the same example could be made with Margarito-Mosley. its not an excuse for margarito and his team but how could we as followers of the sport not take this into account when rating this win. maybe it had an effect maybe it didnt it could be that margs style was made for mosley but to not question it doesnt make sense to me. i agree with your point about the triangle theories but that goes back to my first point about not being sure who is the tougher fight right now i dont think it is as easy as mosley has had the better career therefore he is the tougher fight i look at their styles age recent performances time out of the ring ect and to me i would wait and see before we label this such a ridiculous question.

Mosley is the harder fight, he's better than Clottey and he would in my opinion BEAT Pac and give May more problems than JC. But im of the opinion the only reason Floyd has taken the fight is because he wants to out do Pacquaio who has picked a big tough oppenent who the fans respect.QUOTE] Does it really matter why he took the fight? He took it and he could have fought another opponent if he wanted to.

Does anyone agree with me when I say that Mayweather would put on another boxing clinic against Joshua Clottey, similar to what he did against Baldomir?

two different fights with different circumstances we can not forget that margs was caught right before the fight trying to load his gloves that brings real questions into the true value of mosleys win wether we like it or not. mosley has the better legacy and resume by far and will go down in history as the better boxer but as of right now im not sure that he is the tougher fight out of the 2 and by using the triangle theory your using i could argue that clottey fought cotto closer then mosley did so that means he is the better fighter. some things that may seem ridiculous in boxing one day may be proven to be true the next for example if 2 years ago people would say that margs pac was a mismatch in pacs favor im pretty sure the majority of bxscene would say that was crazy. Getting caught cheating is not an excuse for losing as far as I'm concerned. By the same token I can very easily say Cotto was not the same fighter after his fight with Margarito. Which would make him a better fighter for the Mosley fight than he was for Clottey. As far as Margarito's fight with Mosley, Margarito fought the same what he always does. Relentless pressure. It's not like he was timid or reluctant which might have happened if he was truly affected mentally. I see a lot of people trying to discredit Mosley's win but I don't see in any way how Margarito could ever beat Mosley with that style. He far too slow and it plats into Mosleys style. Nobody has ever beaten Mosley with that style. Mosley has always been troubled by boxers with good jabs. That';s how he lost to Cotto. Cotto beat him with his jab. I'm not using the triangle theory. I was actually responding to your comment that Clottey fought a better fight against Cotto than Mosley. I just countered by saying the same example could be made with Margarito-Mosley.

Mosley has a weird little non effective jab most of the time. true, which is annoying because when he uses it properly its a very effective weapon to him

Mosley is the harder fight, he's better than Clottey and he would in my opinion BEAT Pac and give May more problems than JC. But im of the opinion the only reason Floyd has taken the fight is because he wants to out do Pacquaio who has picked a big tough oppenent who the fans respect.

Do you not remember Mosley-Margarito and Cottey-Margarito? I think the question can be answered by what each fighter brings to the table. Handspeed? Mosley and it's not close. Power? Mosley and its not close. Clottey brings nothing that makes him a more dangerous opponent than Mosley and there is no case for it. two different fights with different circumstances we can not forget that margs was caught right before the fight trying to load his gloves that brings real questions into the true value of mosleys win wether we like it or not. mosley has the better legacy and resume by far and will go down in history as the better boxer but as of right now im not sure that he is the tougher fight out of the 2 and by using the triangle theory your using i could argue that clottey fought cotto closer then mosley did so that means he is the better fighter. some things that may seem ridiculous in boxing one day may be proven to be true the next for example if 2 years ago people would say that margs pac was a mismatch in pacs favor im pretty sure the majority of bxscene would say that was crazy.

they are both good, they have different style. Cant be equal but almost the same threat to any one

i agree with this right here mosley has obviously had a better career then clottey and is coming off the impressive win over margarito but the more we look into that fight and the circumstances of the gloves im not so sure that win is as good as advertised. clottey is a very solid fighter who in my opinion fought a better and closer fight then mosley did with cotto. people who act like this is a ridiculous question should analyze mosley pre margs and his off and on performances and also realize he has been out of the ring for over a year and at his age that might be a factor and also watch some clottey fights and you will see a strong guy who may not have one punch ko power but he does have thudding power and a good defense and when he does throw it is usually combos. this is not as ridiculous a question as its being made out to be the question is who is the tougher fight now not who has the better resume and career. Do you not remember Mosley-Margarito and Cottey-Margarito? I think the question can be answered by what each fighter brings to the table. Handspeed? Mosley and it's not close. Power? Mosley and its not close. Mental edge and toughness? Mosley and it's not close. Did you see how much whining Clottey did in his fights with Margarito and Cotto? At times he looked like he wanted to quit. Clottey brings nothing that makes him a more dangerous opponent than Mosley and there is no case for it.

Mosley didn't quit against Margarito like Clottey practically did, and he also never let Cotto bully him around like Clottey did in that one round. Cotto would've never been able to pick Mosley up and slam him down like that because Mosley is a strong fighter who doesn't let anyone punk him on the inside like Clottey did. Clottey eventually shook it off I guess. But why did he altogether stop throwing punches? And plus he cut Cotto really bad over his eye and I think that is why he looked better in that fight to some people than he really did.

Mosley for sure. I haven't seen any of these signs of decline in Mosley that people seem to be talking about. He doesn't use his legs like he did at lightweight, but his chin is as sturdy as ever, and he sits down on his punches more now. The Margarito fight was arguably the best performance of his career. People saying he almost lost to Mayorga- I disagree, I thought he was winning that fight when he knocked him out, but so what? Mayorga has a crazy, obnoxious style. He beat Vernon Forrest twice for God's sake. Cotto fought a nearly perfect fight against Mosley. That was Cotto's peak. Clottey is a guy I have been critical of, not because I have anything against him, just because I think he gets a little bit too much credit for not having accomplished a lot. He's come close in some fights to shining, but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Tough fighter with a good chin and a decent punch. Mosley is a lot more than that.

Vote and discuss. mosely is by farr..

Obviously Mosley...I mean look at Clottey. He couldn't even knock a blown up, old Diego Corrales out and Mayweather dropped him 5 times at a lower weight class. Not to mention Corrales gave Clottey trouble, while Floyd dominated every round and stopped him. Mayweather would run circles around Clottey the same way he did to Baldomir, countering every punch he throws. Heck, Clottey actually reminds me of a younger, more skilled version of Baldomir with defensive. The only good fights that Clottey has won (or came close to winning) ALL involved headbutts. I'm willing to bet my Pacquiao-Clottey tickets that Freddie Roach is going to request a disqualification if Clottey uses his head against Pacquiao (which I REALLY see happening). Mosley on the other hand has a similar chin (or better), handspeed, more strength, more skill, and neither really have much legs but I'd even give that advantage to Mosley because he isn't flat footed. Mosley was also on his way to stopping Cotto in round 10 before they were pulled apart due to water on the floor. From there Cotto ran his way into a decision because he knew he would have gotten stopped. While I believe Mayweather would put on a boxing clinic against Clottey, he definitely wouldn't do the same against Mosley. I think it would be as close as the De La Hoya fight.

I was pointing out that Shane is up and down. At his best, he's of course better than Clottey but only 2x out of his last 6 fights or so, he's been any good. Clottey never wins the big one, but keeps things close. It was an explanation defending the Clottey choice, but like I say Shane isn't always reliable in these fights but he is more talented. I respect your opinion because I think you truly believe it and your a credible boxing fan. I was mostly responding to Carnivore who is not credible and wouldn't be objective to save the Klitscho's lives. With that said, there is no case for Clottey being the tougher opponent.

Than why did Freddie Roach want to drain him to 142 pounds for Pacquiao? An old man shouldn't have to do that should he? Stop trolling. Don't get mad kid, I'm just voicing out the truth. Stop stalking me! :spankme:

Clottey, if your description of tough as in durable then yes. Tough as in has gone though hell and back an all that then it's Mosley.