Who do you blame for the Mayweather-Pacquiao fallout?

It should not be like that though, thinking you are being forced to cave in is letting pride control you, sometimes you just have to do things you do not like nor wish to do. Asking for the testing is not wrong in this day and age of sport especially the sport of boxing which is amongst the most dangerous, how the situation got played out is wrong. Which is why I would say both sides share blame atleast to some degree. Our views differ just as Pac's and Mayweather's do. I believe that we never do anything we don't want to do. If you do something, it's because you wanted to do it. At some point you have to decide that you want to do it in order for you to do it. You can say Yes or No to every choice and both options are always available, no matter the situation. So you either want to say Yes or you want to say No. There is no in between. But enough is enough. We agree that both fighters are at fault, so let's leave it at that.

Although we are philosophically in dispute, I respect your input. However, what grinds my gears is when people are forced to do things because of someone elses personal view of the world. Mayweather thinks everyone is on steroids, Pacquiao believes that the majority of boxers are clean, including Mayweather. Should Pacquiao be inconvenienced simply because Mayweather's view of the world is different? No. They both have the right to believe what they want as long as one of them is not forced to bow down to the other. Personally, I think they're both at fault, one way or another. That's my take. It should not be like that though, thinking you are being forced to cave in is letting pride control you, sometimes you just have to do things you do not like nor wish to do. Asking for the testing is not wrong in this day and age of sport especially the sport of boxing which is amongst the most dangerous, how the situation got played out is wrong. Which is why I would say both sides share blame atleast to some degree.

If you want to complain about Floyd's blame talk about how he handled the situation because that is what his side truly did wrong, they are the ones taht took this public and that is when it all went to this. Not him asking for the tests.

The man on the other side of the ring has every right to know the man accross from him is clean by the best means, the NSAC testing is inferior. Commisions in boxing are weak as they go state by state Nevada is the best but they are not that great that they are above reproach. There is a thing called advancement in this world and someone has to be bold enough to make that come about. In the real world you have to do things you do not like sometimes for the good of the many. Your view of the world is naive, I wish the world was as simple as you make it out to be and that people would live like that without looking to take advantage of situations and weakness, but sadly the real world that we live in is not like that. We should strive to be better and do the right things for all people but sometimes you have to make hard choices and do things that are not righteous and good for everyone but that should try to be limited and wrong should be righted if they are made. Whatever though this is a boxing forum not a world view forum and I have no intention of contueing to debate and justify my world view to some dude over the internet, think about what you jsut said and apply it to our conversation. Although we are philosophically in dispute, I respect your input. However, what grinds my gears is when people are forced to do things because of someone elses personal view of the world. Mayweather thinks everyone is on steroids, Pacquiao believes that the majority of boxers are clean, including Mayweather. Should Pacquiao be inconvenienced simply because Mayweather's view of the world is different? No. They both have the right to believe what they want as long as one of them is not forced to bow down to the other. Personally, I think they're both at fault, one way or another. That's my take.

Both. Pac -- for not undergoing the test because of his pride Pbf -- for assuming pac's performance is drug induced I understand both of their reasons but it was blown way out of proportion because of the magnitude of the fight. In the end, their reasons contradicted with their statements. Both lost. I try to simplify it this way. Pbf made a demand/request(whatever your preference is). Pac denied. Both did not reach a compromise. It always takes two to tango. Indeed, I agree with that.

look man i do see your point sometimes when i do think about it, i really wished that manny should've just taken these damn tests but on the other hand, i cannot blame Manny because its his right to deny these tests because he knew it's Floyds tactic to bully him on the negotiations in fact, he suggested he would compesate in order for the fight to push thru it would be the NSACs that willl decide whwther to implement this random test but Floyd declined & still insist his own demand The NSAC is for all boxers and is a government agency it takes a lot of time for them to weight costs, benefits and whatnot the fight was suppose to be march 13th that is way to fast for them to do anything so asking for them to decide is a cop out because they have a lot more to think about then just one fight. The contract for this fight has to do with this one fight so it is much easier to just put it into the contract. Manny is in his right to refuse and do whatever, but refusing more stringent testing in this day and age brings about the questions and attitude I am showing. It is a no win battle, and it was a terrible fight to pick since it is unwinnable.

So you wish to impose your personal view of the world on others?..... Yes, that is the tyrannical approach. Your delusion that the world is harsh and cold is merely an opinion for which you have no evidence. Ahh... But as long as you are sitting comfortably, damn the rest! Your utilitarian approach to the world is naive. If you feel it is necessary to sacrifice some for the commonwealth of the rest, then why don't you offer up yourself as the sacrifice? Or is it only convenient to say that when you are not being put under the magnifying glass? No, until you see that an affront to one, is merely just a door waiting to be opened for the same to eventually happen to you, then you will continue to live under bitter suspicion. As for PED's, we have boxing commissions to dictate the rules of drug testing. A fighter's duty is to fight and put on a good show for the fans. If the fighter has a complaint about the testing procedures then he should take it up with the commission that oversees the drug testing. That is the proper way of making real change happen. The man on the other side of the ring has every right to know the man accross from him is clean by the best means, the NSAC testing is inferior. Commisions in boxing are weak as they go state by state Nevada is the best but they are not that great that they are above reproach. There is a thing called advancement in this world and someone has to be bold enough to make that come about. In the real world you have to do things you do not like sometimes for the good of the many. Your view of the world is naive, I wish the world was as simple as you make it out to be and that people would live like that without looking to take advantage of situations and weakness, but sadly the real world that we live in is not like that. We should strive to be better and do the right things for all people but sometimes you have to make hard choices and do things that are not righteous and good for everyone but that should try to be limited and wrong should be righted if they are made. Whatever though this is a boxing forum not a world view forum and I have no intention of contueing to debate and justify my world view to some dude over the internet, think about what you jsut said and apply it to our conversation.

Both. Pac -- for not undergoing the test because of his pride Pbf -- for assuming pac's performance is drug induced I understand both of their reasons but it was blown way out of proportion because of the magnitude of the fight. In the end, their reasons contradicted with their statements. Both lost. I try to simplify it this way. Pbf made a demand/request(whatever your preference is). Pac denied. Both did not reach a compromise. It always takes two to tango.

It has nothing to do with cleaning up the sport, it has to do with what he thinks about this specific fight. If he think Manny is not right for any reason he has the right to ask, he is the one getting in the ring so he above any other has the right to know. Floyd says a bunch of garbage so why would I care about one statement when FLoyd was clearly pissed and talking out of his ass, a statement that is not even definitive. Maybe he truly believe the Phillipines has the best bio-tech industry, the Phillipines should take that as a compliment that he thinks they are so advanced. Think whatever you want but you are reaching pulling out all kinds of stuff that really does not matter, Manny should have taken the tests then none of this would have happeaned. If you can not see that whatever my points have been made you refuse to accept them. look man i do see your point sometimes when i do think about it, i really wished that manny should've just taken these damn tests but on the other hand, i cannot blame Manny because its his right to deny these tests because he knew it's Floyds tactic to bully him on the negotiations in fact, he suggested he would compesate in order for the fight to push thru it would be the NSACs that willl decide whwther to implement this random test but Floyd declined & still insist his own demand

Also like I said I don't hold Floyd blameless, how the situation got played out in the media Floyd's team certainly deserves blame and as the head of his team Floyd certianly deserves whatever blame lays at his teams feet. For the testing issue I do not fault Floyd for asking for it, Manny should have just taken them and made this a non issue pride and hubris have brought down much greater men then Manny~

i kind of blame em both....floyd kept on going on about blood test....and pacs trainer roach denied a 14 day period of blood testing.....so neutral really

IF the world was a place of flowers and lollipops maybe you would have a point, but the world is a harsh cold places where people will take advantage of any weakness. Ideally everyone can live free and do as they wish without anyone telling them otherwise but in the real world that will only get you bent over~ Sometimes it sucks for the needs of the many things need to be done. This really has no bearing on the situation at hand, the is the PED era in sports it sucks for athletes that they live under this cloud but no athlete is trusthworth on the matter as it is human nature to want an edge, in boxing looking for an edge would be even bigger since it is such a tough sport. All athletes need to be tested in teh toughest possible manner. So you wish to impose your personal view of the world on others?..... Yes, that is the tyrannical approach. Your delusion that the world is harsh and cold is merely an opinion for which you have no evidence. Ahh... But as long as you are sitting comfortably, damn the rest! Your utilitarian approach to the world is naive. If you feel it is necessary to sacrifice some for the commonwealth of the rest, then why don't you offer up yourself as the sacrifice? Or is it only convenient to say that when you are not being put under the magnifying glass? No, until you see that an affront to one, is merely just a door waiting to be opened for the same to eventually happen to you, then you will continue to live under bitter suspicion. As for PED's, we have boxing commissions to dictate the rules of drug testing. A fighter's duty is to fight and put on a good show for the fans. If the fighter has a complaint about the testing procedures then he should take it up with the commission that oversees the drug testing. That is the proper way of making real change happen.

how come its weak? its very simple really if Floyd really is up to his mission to clean this sport, then he should petition it on a governing body & have them decide whats the best option instead he just blurted out to the boxing media that Phils has the best PEDs etc, etc etc you should be able see this from the beginning that all Floyd wants is to stir up Pac's mind, to distract him It has nothing to do with cleaning up the sport, it has to do with what he thinks about this specific fight. If he think Manny is not right for any reason he has the right to ask, he is the one getting in the ring so he above any other has the right to know. Floyd says a bunch of garbage so why would I care about one statement when FLoyd was clearly pissed and talking out of his ass, a statement that is not even definitive. Maybe he truly believe the Phillipines has the best bio-tech industry, the Phillipines should take that as a compliment that he thinks they are so advanced. Think whatever you want but you are reaching pulling out all kinds of stuff that really does not matter, Manny should have taken the tests then none of this would have happeaned. If you can not see that whatever my points have been made you refuse to accept them.

So you'd bend over and take it in the ass because that is the time we are in? That's just an excuse to justify your weakness to giving in to authority. No my friend. There is never a time where it is justified to have a man prove himself innocent unless there is hard evidence that he is guilty. What we did to the Japanese should have been a lesson in morality. Unfortunately, people as a whole refuse to learn from the past and ignorantly forge ahead to their future. IF the world was a place of flowers and lollipops maybe you would have a point, but the world is a harsh cold places where people will take advantage of any weakness. Ideally everyone can live free and do as they wish without anyone telling them otherwise but in the real world that will only get you bent over~ Sometimes it sucks for the needs of the many things need to be done. This really has no bearing on the situation at hand, the is the PED era in sports it sucks for athletes that they live under this cloud but no athlete is trusthworth on the matter as it is human nature to want an edge, in boxing looking for an edge would be even bigger since it is such a tough sport. All athletes need to be tested in teh toughest possible manner.

More would be cauhgt and even more would be disuaded with random testing. Is Manny not one of the top guys in the sport? Should he not be setting the example? USADA and people in the NSAC have said their testing is sub standard in the world of athletics, since boxing is one of the most dangerous sports the best testing method should be embraced not foguth tooth and nail. Your arguement is weak, the test should have been taken. how come its weak? its very simple really if Floyd really is up to his mission to clean this sport, then he should petition it on a governing body & have them decide whats the best option instead he just blurted out to the boxing media that Phils has the best PEDs etc, etc etc you should be able see this from the beginning that all Floyd wants is to stir up Pac's mind, to distract him

It is not that black and white, sure it would suck for them but that is the time we are in. Sure it sucks that we threw the Japanese people in conncentration camps but that was what the times called for, that is way worse then what you are talking about. So you'd bend over and take it in the ass because that is the time we are in? That's just an excuse to justify your weakness to giving in to authority. No my friend. There is never a time where it is justified to have a man prove himself innocent unless there is hard evidence that he is guilty. What we did to the Japanese should have been a lesson in morality. Unfortunately, people as a whole refuse to learn from the past and ignorantly forge ahead to their future.

inferior testing? has anyone been caught by these random testing? what about NSAC? i know you're gonna bring up Shane, but what about Toney? Roy? Chavez, jr? Salita? Omar Nino? you heard of Marion Jones? she passed the olympic testing without a sweat More would be cauhgt and even more would be disuaded with random testing. Is Manny not one of the top guys in the sport? Should he not be setting the example? USADA and people in the NSAC have said their testing is sub standard in the world of athletics, since boxing is one of the most dangerous sports the best testing method should be embraced not foguth tooth and nail. Your arguement is weak, the test should have been taken.

Yes, you only say this because you are not one of those innocents. A transgression against one is a transgression against all. Sorry dude. You sound like you'd bend over and take it in the ass if a cop pulled you over and told you to. It is not that black and white, sure it would suck for them but that is the time we are in. Sure it sucks that we threw the Japanese people in conncentration camps but that was what the times called for, that is way worse then what you are talking about. Sometimes the situation calls for terrible choices to be made, but the needs of the many out weight the desires of the few.

No, you have to remember Manny and Floyd are both pumped up alphas. If a bitter rival accused you of cheating, you are NOT going to bend to HIS demands in order to qualify yourself to him. You are going to tell him to man the **** up and fight, telling him to leave the drug testing the commission professionals. What does Floyd Mayweather know about steroids? I doubt he can even spell the word. Pride and hubris are not valid excuses and that is why Manny is at fault. He should have manned up and done the tests and not be a bitch about it. What you are saying is naive at best, get off Manny's dick and accept his part of the blame.

Inferior testing, there are better ways to test for PED then what he has passed. Also the main reason to do random tests to to keep people from cheating in the first place because it is much more risky. No it is not, if this never came up I would not have cared much but once you start fighting better testing I need to see those tests happean. inferior testing? has anyone been caught by these random testing? what about NSAC? i know you're gonna bring up Shane, but what about Toney? Roy? Chavez, jr? Salita? Omar Nino? you heard of Marion Jones? she passed the olympic testing without a sweat