To ALL Who Hate Floyd Lets Get Something Straight Here..

honestly because while yes Marquez was knocking shit out he didn't look untouchable doing it, if I remember correctly he was either losing on the cards or it was very close in his fights with Casamayor and Diaz and he was getting rocked by a pistol puncher with 15KO's, that doesn't exactly compare to retiring Oscar De La Hoya, DESTROYING Ricky Hatton, stampeding over Miguel Cotto and toying with David Diaz, these guys aren't pushovers and Manny defeated them without a sweat. I think with recent times and how Mosley proved you can be on PED's and not get caught in the standard testing I think it's fair to assume Pacquiao may be on some sort of substance, no day to day athlete in this sport performs AS intense for all 12 rounds as Manny Pacquiao. I complement him but the question has been raised on his validity, I feel like he should respond and clear his name.. so with all his performances recently suddenly makes Pacquiao a superhuman? it is unfair to assume one's determination to succeed in his craft with these unfounded allegations Pacquiao's boxing since he was 16, his way out of his ghetto it would be foolish to put himself in such situation where everything he worked hard for will be tainted by using illegal substances and why would Manny clear his name? his refusal to take the tests doesnt mean he's guilty of it it started from Floyd Sr's insecurities

honestly dude, i strongly disagree that Floyd initially would want this tests to protect boxers if he's truly that commited, then why not start first on his comeback fight? if i were to follow Flomos logic, JMM is not so different as the steroid allegations as that were thrown aganist Manny guilty till proven innocent, thats the trend nowadays how come Manny's the one acting as a commission, isn't it the other way around? honestly because while yes Marquez was knocking shit out he didn't look untouchable doing it, if I remember correctly he was either losing on the cards or it was very close in his fights with Casamayor and Diaz and he was getting rocked by a pistol puncher with 15KO's, that doesn't exactly compare to retiring Oscar De La Hoya, DESTROYING Ricky Hatton, stampeding over Miguel Cotto and toying with David Diaz, these guys aren't pushovers and Manny defeated them without a sweat. I think with recent times and how Mosley proved you can be on PED's and not get caught in the standard testing I think it's fair to assume Pacquiao may be on some sort of substance, no day to day athlete in this sport performs AS intense for all 12 rounds as Manny Pacquiao. I complement him but the question has been raised on his validity, I feel like he should respond and clear his name..

the same can be said for Pacquiao but still, you can't change the fact that Manny keeps fighting all these high risk fights while Floyd chooses to pick someone which he knew he had huge advantage of Floyd doesn't look for challenges anymore, he's merely contended to show the world how impressive his skills are by fighting less impressive boxers thats why most fans have the same comment about him that he's ducking risk fights yes it can be but the difference there is the ease of the wins, it's not because Floyd didn't fight threats it's just they looked too easy and Pacquiao didn't execute that same finesse against his respective opponents, no offense to Manny but his style is aggressive and if you can just last with him you can make it ugly, with Floyd you could last all you want and charge forward all you want but you wont find him and if you manage to find him he always finds a formula to dominate, he did it with Judah and Hatton, he had to adjust in both fights and dominated.. he faces his share of adversity he just minimizes the threat to it's lowest form, he doesn't allow himself to engage in a way that will hurt him, it's about self preservation not banging out, it's about hitting and not getting hit which Floyd has managed to do his whole career, Pacquiao fought threats but so has Floyd bro don't shit on him now..

In terms of the 2 sides presenting their arguments I favor Floyd's side because I BEEN felt like they should have done some more thorough testing to help protect Boxers, Floyd just made it a real issue and I strongly agree with him.. if I had to place blame on 1 sides for this fight not happening it would be on Manny Pacquiao and Top Rank, they were the ones trying to manipulate demands, they acted like the commission in their previous fight and now are contradicting themselves against Floyd. Floyd has maintained his stance and request, Manny said he didn't want to be tested the day of the fight and Floyd said he'd give them 14 days and still no "yes", that is pretty self explanatory.. honestly dude, i strongly disagree that Floyd initially would want this tests to protect boxers if he's truly that commited, then why not start first on his comeback fight? if i were to follow Flomos logic, JMM is not so different as the steroid allegations as that were thrown aganist Manny guilty till proven innocent, thats the trend nowadays how come Manny's the one acting as a commission, isn't it the other way around?

what I hate is that Floyd fought Gatti and was said to be cherry picking AFTER that fight but had ANYONE else taken that fight nobody would have said anything. people don't see how Kostya Tszyu and Ricky Hatton said no to Floyd they just know he fought Gatti and bash him.. from back then up until now with probably the exception of Mitchell in all of Floyd's fights he was doubted to an extent BEFORE the fight and then bashed AFTER for taking that fight, not because they weren't good opponents but because they wasn't good enough to compete with him, it left you wanting to see more and left you overlooking the fact every fight after the Mitchell fight was against a current champion, the problem is he set his bar too high and you want to see him fight all the top guys back to back when you don't ask that from no one else.. is it that he hand picked his fights or are y'all just some hard to please fans? I bet if he fought Shane and beat him y'all would say "he waited too long to fight Shane, Shane was old" or "Shane in his prime would have beaten him" completely bypassing the fact that Floyd called Shane out by name twice and both time got turned down the same can be said for Pacquiao but still, you can't change the fact that Manny keeps fighting all these high risk fights while Floyd chooses to pick someone which he knew he had huge advantage of Floyd doesn't look for challenges anymore, he's merely contended to show the world how impressive his skills are by fighting less impressive boxers thats why most fans have the same comment about him that he's ducking risk fights

i have something to ask, i want your opinion what if Manny suddenly retires after the Clottey fight? would you blame Manny for robbing us the greatest fight of our time? In terms of the 2 sides presenting their arguments I favor Floyd's side because I BEEN felt like they should have done some more thorough testing to help protect Boxers, Floyd just made it a real issue and I strongly agree with him.. if I had to place blame on 1 sides for this fight not happening it would be on Manny Pacquiao and Top Rank, they were the ones trying to manipulate demands, they acted like the commission in their previous fight and now are contradicting themselves against Floyd. Floyd has maintained his stance and request, Manny said he didn't want to be tested the day of the fight and Floyd said he'd give them 14 days and still no "yes", that is pretty self explanatory..

Really? he cheated him? how? Marquez took 600,000$ cash straight into his own pockets, no trainer cut, corner man percentage, promoter nor nothin just cash into his pockets aside from a million dollar+ purse and all kinds of other money, he accepted the fight because he thought he was still able to win it. there's a reason why Floyd could knock out the bigger Ricky Hatton just 1 division south of him and couldn't KO Marquez from 2 divisions south, it's because Marquez is NO JOKE I wanted Floyd to fight the other Welterweights when he still had a belt there, now that he doesn't he really doesn't NEED to fight those guys, he tried in the past already and they said no so I wouldn't blame him for fighting an easier fight for more money and rewards. it's the logical thing to do, it's what Shane would do if he had the chance.. I guess in a nutshell just remember that "I Would" and I Will" are VERY different, you could say what you WOULD do but you'd have to be that person or at least be in his position to really see what you WILL do, I don't mean that about YOU particularly but just in general for those who say what they would or wouldn't do if they were Floyd.. i have something to ask, i want your opinion what if Manny suddenly retires after the Clottey fight? would you blame Manny for robbing us the greatest fight of our time?

so to sum it all up, Floyd cherrypicks a high reward/low risk fighter regardless of what the fans would want him to fight what I hate is that Floyd fought Gatti and was said to be cherry picking AFTER that fight but had ANYONE else taken that fight nobody would have said anything. people don't see how Kostya Tszyu and Ricky Hatton said no to Floyd they just know he fought Gatti and bash him.. from back then up until now with probably the exception of Mitchell in all of Floyd's fights he was doubted to an extent BEFORE the fight and then bashed AFTER for taking that fight, not because they weren't good opponents but because they wasn't good enough to compete with him, it left you wanting to see more and left you overlooking the fact every fight after the Mitchell fight was against a current champion, the problem is he set his bar too high and you want to see him fight all the top guys back to back when you don't ask that from no one else.. is it that he hand picked his fights or are y'all just some hard to please fans? I bet if he fought Shane and beat him y'all would say "he waited too long to fight Shane, Shane was old" or "Shane in his prime would have beaten him" completely bypassing the fact that Floyd called Shane out by name twice and both time got turned down

Crillz, what up homie? Yo, check out the Larry-Burner pre fight presser battle from last night in my other thread. Fast forward to the 2hr mark. Shit was funny as hell. Also, I made a thread last night looking for you because we shut it down at 2 and cats still wanted to talk. I said I know Crillz would go if he's around dag man I would have, I was getting blunted yesterday, I caught a couple movies and chilled with my home girl. ima definitely download the show though man I'll DEFINITELY call in Friday sometime before it ends, at least with enough time to get a hour in with y'all. ima check it out now my n1gga..

he actually cheated marquez, but hes the lightweight champion. floyds a welterweight. and have a look at the top ten welterweights, note that floyd has fought none of them, yet claims to be the best of all time. fcuk off. Really? he cheated him? how? Marquez took 600,000$ cash straight into his own pockets, no trainer cut, corner man percentage, promoter nor nothin just cash into his pockets aside from a million dollar+ purse and all kinds of other money, he accepted the fight because he thought he was still able to win it. there's a reason why Floyd could knock out the bigger Ricky Hatton just 1 division south of him and couldn't KO Marquez from 2 divisions south, it's because Marquez is NO JOKE I wanted Floyd to fight the other Welterweights when he still had a belt there, now that he doesn't he really doesn't NEED to fight those guys, he tried in the past already and they said no so I wouldn't blame him for fighting an easier fight for more money and rewards. it's the logical thing to do, it's what Shane would do if he had the chance.. I guess in a nutshell just remember that "I Would" and I Will" are VERY different, you could say what you WOULD do but you'd have to be that person or at least be in his position to really see what you WILL do, I don't mean that about YOU particularly but just in general for those who say what they would or wouldn't do if they were Floyd..

so to sum it all up, Floyd cherrypicks a high reward/low risk fighter regardless of what the fans would want him to fight

Crillz, what up homie? Yo, check out the Larry-Burner pre fight presser battle from last night in my other thread. Fast forward to the 2hr mark. Shit was funny as hell. Also, I made a thread last night looking for you because we shut it down at 2 and cats still wanted to talk. I said I know Crillz would go if he's around

crillz is my dude..but this thread was bad..i mean real bad..floyd has ran out of passes..there is no logical excuse not to fight shane..i dont care what happened in the past..shane is a champion now,a big fight now,a real challenge now..floyd needs to step to the plate or retire..he cant say "oh im waiting for manny"you just had a chance to fight manny..and what happened to"all roads lead thru floyd mayweather??..and he says all people have to do is call him out and they can get it...DAMN SHANE JUMPED IN THE FUKKING RING AND CALLED HIM OUT FACE TO FACE ALMOST CAUSEING A RIOT... Larry whats good my dude, I respect your opinion but I'm inclined to disagree.. Shane might be a champion but he's still not a draw. REAL Boxing fans want to see this fight, I'd like to watch it but I can't sit here and pretend like Floyd NEEDS to fight Shane. yea Shane is a champion and that's all good but at this point in time it's about money, Shane doesn't draw a big crowd, Saul Alvarez in Mexico would be more money than Shane in the Staples Center, see what 'm saying? the risk has to even out with the reward and in the case with Shane it doesn't, yea he has a belt but if Floyd was REALLY worried about a Welterweight title he would have chased Andre Berto early, he went for #2 pound for pund Juan Manuel Marquez and now he has his mind set on #1.. Floyd don't give a shit about a strap at this point, it's icing on the cake because right now it's about big business, Floyd ain't worried about Mandatory Challengers and Unifying belts he's just pin pointing select individuals who present the most lucrative contracts and an equally as good scrap, being your own man and having liberty causes you to be very selective about who you fight, some can make that same argument about Bernard Hopkins who brought up both Winky and Pavlik from Middleweight to Light Heavyweight and fought Enrique Ornelas to set up a big fight, some might say B-Hop should have fought a harder fight but he didn't and he didn't get thrashed for it did he? so why thrash Floyd?

cmon now people gave Shane shit for not wanting to fight Floyd. Also if I am not mistaken there have been times when Floyd had also said Mosley is not on his level so that in itself does not seem like an open invitation for the two to fight now does it but lets fast foward to today where BOTH fighters seem to want the fight to happen. Let's toss away the reasons why the fight didn't happen years before because it really is irrelevant to what is going on now both sides want the fight, nothing should stop it from happening and if doesnt happen Floyd haters have every right to shit on him because the perception is that Floyd did not want to. For most perception is reality. you see when it's dealing with Shane you're willing to "toss away" the past but with Floyd it's always a negative approach, maybe not JUST YOU but overall nowadays it seems to be that way. Marquez was considered by most #2 lb for lb when Floyd fought him and people look more at the weight issues than his actual performance as if 2 pounds can guarantee a victory.. honestly lets NOT "toss away" the past especially when people to this very day still grind Floyd for turning down Plastercheato, you may be right and maybe NOW both sides want the fight but for damn near 10 years only Floyd wanted it. Pacquiao wants to back lanes and now Floyd is forced to fight Shane or he's no good? fukk outta here with that.. NOBODY has the right to shit on a guy who remained undefeated for so long at such a high stage. just because he made it look easy against Marquez doesn't mean it was easy for Floyd, Wes Ferguson has Floyd's style to a TEE so why isn't he undefeated? it's because Floyd has something special in him but people are being blinded by fan boy bullshit. Floyd needs SHANE MOSLEY??????? y'all is trippin.. no you mistook what I said. When I say he needs to exceed Manny vs Clottey what I mean is he needs to find a viable challenge that exceeds the challenge Manny took in Clottey and thats to fight Shane. I care less about numbers unless we are talking who deserves what and I think those numbers between Shane and Money have already been determined from what I am hearing. there are other "viable challenges" other than Shane though so why all this "Floyd GOTTA fight Shane" shit? he can bring up another guy or probably bring someone down. Floyd doesn't NEED to fight Shane. would you be mad if he fought Timothy Bradley at 146? I'm sure Bradley wouldn't mind the chance at Million dollar money against our generations best fighter who is still undefeated and a chance for a couple more spoonfuls in his plates, this is not to say I think or if he is going to fight Bradley that's just 1 good example of someone Floyd could fight other than giving Shane a pay day.. YOU might say you don't care about the money but that's exactly why you're sitting behind the computer not taking no punches like the fighters are, if you were you'd retract that statement very fast. on that level and with that risk the money is DEFINITELY a big deal. you CAN'T blame Floyd if he takes an easier fight for more money, using human logic that is the smart thing to do so why would I expect him not to? Floyd is the draw, people will tune in to see Shane VS Floyd with the hopes that because Shane is a reputed strong fighter that maybe he can be the one to beat Floyd but on his own they don't watch, this is coming from a Mosley SUPPORTER, truth is truth man and I wont blame Floyd if he took an easier fight for more money to preserve himself for the super fight we waiting for while Manny tries his hand against Clottey.. I dont doubt that and never have check my posts I am a far bigger fan of Floyd than people think. A;ways have been I am just real with my fandom. I guess so, you don't seem like no dick rider but I'm just saying Floyd would have already fought Shane and fought Pacquiao in May had both of them not said no this makes no sense please elaborate because you are all over the place what I'm saying is that if Floyd fought Shane and beat him you'd find ways to undermine that win anyway so why even bother? all that risk to in the end STILL be discredited? it happened with Baldomir, De La Hoya and Judah so what will be different against a Shane who is OLDER than what Oscar was when Floyd fought him read the bold

You want to argue your point with name calling??? Pathetic. you was being a prick, I can admit "Mr.Dick Head" is a bit tasteless but you basically undermined what I said as pathetic, 2 wrongs don't make a right so don't feel like you actually saying something.. So whose looking forward to PAC and clottey? I sure am. who do you think will win? I am just glad clottey is gettin paid n pacs keeping active with active welters. Hope a certain fighter takes note I'm looking forward to Pacquiao-Clottey for sure but does Pacquiao hold a Welterweight title? yes, does Floyd? no. why are you centering Floyd at Welterweight? this is not 2007 where he was basically holding the belt captive, not fighting the guys who I thought deserved a title shot but he has no more title, therefore no more obligations to fight ONLY Welterweights.. the Hatton fight was 147, Mitchell 147, Judah 147 Baldomir 147 and De La Hoya 154, the only fight Mayweather had a catchweight clause in was the Marquez fight in recent years and Pacquiao fought BOTH Oscar and Cotto at catchweights.. also you act like Floyd wouldn't fight those guys and beat them too, you're beyond naive if you going to pretend that Floyd didn't fight the guys Manny had a chance to fight because he was just "scared" or "ducking" them and not because of 1 old, greasy motherf*cker named Bob Arum.

he's not fighting anyone? he didn't just beat Marquez? he actually cheated marquez, but hes the lightweight champion. floyds a welterweight. and have a look at the top ten welterweights, note that floyd has fought none of them, yet claims to be the best of all time. fcuk off.

Foyd wanted mosley on a date he had in early november 2006. Mosley had just fought vargas at 154 in july and mosley had already fought vargas earlier that year as well. If you look at mosleys record he never fights more that twice in a year. To do what floyd wanted mosley would have to drop from 154 to 147 and fight floyd in a few months for his third fight that year. I dont blame mosley in any way for not taking that fight. If the roles were reversed floyd sure as hell wouldnt. Mosley actually suggested that floyd fight margacheato and he would fight the winner but floyd fought baldo on his date of the 4th nov. Mosley needed more time and thats exactly what he said, yet he constantly gets slated for this, as somebody put it. Way back when floyd was coming up, mosley was chasing a big payday Vs de la hoya, who he got, but now both floyd and mosley are ready to make millions themselves, so thats why the fight is right now, its now or never and now is better than never, right

the thing is that when Shane didn't want to fight nobody said nothing and that was twice, Floyd says no just once to him and he is "ducking" him? Shane is looking for a big fight but he wasn't necessarily giving out that big payday to Floyd when he was top dog, now that he isn't and he wants to get a fight Floyd should jump and skip? cmon now people gave Shane shit for not wanting to fight Floyd. Also if I am not mistaken there have been times when Floyd had also said Mosley is not on his level so that in itself does not seem like an open invitation for the two to fight now does it but lets fast foward to today where BOTH fighters seem to want the fight to happen. Let's toss away the reasons why the fight didn't happen years before because it really is irrelevant to what is going on now both sides want the fight, nothing should stop it from happening and if doesnt happen Floyd haters have every right to shit on him because the perception is that Floyd did not want to. For most perception is reality. you say he needs to beat the Pacquiao-Clottey numbers no you mistook what I said. When I say he needs to exceed Manny vs Clottey what I mean is he needs to find a viable challenge that exceeds the challenge Manny took in Clottey and thats to fight Shane. I care less about numbers unless we are talking who deserves what and I think those numbers between Shane and Money have already been determined from what I am hearing. when I'm sure the ONLY thing he wants to beat is Pacquiao's face in, he doesn't want to try to out do him he wants to f*ck him up, I dont doubt that and never have check my posts I am a far bigger fan of Floyd than people think. A;ways have been I am just real with my fandom. he wanted the Clottey date for himself it's just Manny said no. Floyd don't need Shane, why so you could just say "he beat an old Shane" in the end? why go for Shane when he can go for the younger and prime Manny? this makes no sense please elaborate because you are all over the place

So whose looking forward to PAC and clottey? I sure am. who do you think will win? I am just glad clottey is gettin paid n pacs keeping active with active welters. Hope a certain fighter takes note drink your hateorade and go back to making out with your sister... u pacfarts make it to where its impossible to even talk about boxing... i like pacman but u guys r making it to where I wanna see him lose so u guys will all just go away!

You want to argue your point with name calling??? Pathetic. So whose looking forward to PAC and clottey? I sure am. who do you think will win? I am just glad clottey is gettin paid n pacs keeping active with active welters. Hope a certain fighter takes note