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1/24/2010
Bringing you the facts series. VOL. 1
BOB ARUM: "MAYWEATHER would have taken the $8 million to fight MARGARITO."
If the title of this thread is a surprising to you, honestly I can not blame you..
How Could you Know that BOB ARUM actually said these words, with the
the anybody can write an article or create a boxing website boxing media always telling you something different.!!
With alot of revisionist history being played around with on these boards, I wanted bring the facts about one situation in our not to far past that has somehow became a truth with no facts to support it's argument.
How did this happen?
I would argue one of them is the lack of integrity by the anybody can write an article boxing media. Fueled by the contempt that alot of these writers in the media had and have for the Mayweathers.
As a result to this day we have ignorant boxing fans repeating lies they heard and read their favorite writer write on their bias websites. Thus creating atmosphere of unwarranted hate, based on in large part jealousy.
Jealousy of one man's success compared to their own, or compared to their favorite fighters. So the response alot of these writers took was destroying the facts in order to affect the reality. As a result, by in large they succeeded. They flooded the market with the same lines over and over again without any reguard for facts, because their purpose was to destroy one fighters reputation and legacy while hoping to enhance and build another fighters name.
HERE ARE THE FACTS in BOB ARUMS own WORDS!!!
This is quotes from a espn article from 2006
Arum said Mayweather preferred to await the outcome of the May 6 Oscar De La Hoya-Ricardo Mayorga fight instead of committing to Margarito because he would prefer to fight De La Hoya.:omfg:
Many in the sport believe a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight is the biggest fight on the horizon and the only one capable of generating 1 million-plus buys on pay-per-view.
The reason Mayweather opted for the buyout rather than waiting for the May 6 result was because the contract had a limited window for the buyout, one that expired before the De La Hoya fight.
However, Arum said he would have extended the window if Mayweather had asked.
What Arum wouldn't do, he said,was raise the guarantees for other fights outlined in the contract.
($10M Miguel Cotto and $10M Ricky Hatton)
Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382
So the question is, How can BOB ARUM saying from his own mouth that
"Floyd Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito"
be turn into anything other than that.
As we understand the situation today, if you listening to some in the boxing media
"Mayweather turn down the Margarito fight out of fear."
"Mayweather ducked Margarito"
"Mayweather would not even take 8 million to fight Margarito"
"Mayweather alaways duck Fighters like Margarito,Cotto, etc.."
My question is WHEN and WHERE DID ALL THIS DUCKING START AND WHY DID IT START????
The answer is simple, it started when The boxing media and ignorant decided to run away from the facts and instead create their own reality.
The reality they wanted people to believe was that what Floyd Mayweather has done in his career was in large part based on his cherry picking, and his willingness not to fight fighters like MARGARITO in order to stay undefeated!!!!
I must say, from a effectiveness standpoint it has worked, because no matter what facts I or anybody else could show some of you guys. Alot of you guys will never believe anything other than Mayweather is a ducker and you will used examples like Margarito. When in reality, Mayweather never ducked Margarito. In fact he would have accepted the contract if BOB ARUM would have just guranted $10M for Cotto and $10M for Hatton.
Infact Arum wanted to offer Mayweather less money for Cotto and Hatton rather than Margarito....
What was the logic behind that???
$8M for Margarito but
$7M for Cotto and Hatton????
Add in to the fact if Mayweather would have fought Margarito he would have most likely not fought De la hoya...
IMO, Looking how history played out I believe Mayweather made the correct decision in opting out of his TOP RANK contract to go after a fight with De la hoya. In which he made $ 25M. In addition to going after Hatton when he made $20M.
funny thing is here is what Arum what use to say about Floyd before Floyd left him:
http://www.youtube.com/user/barlog20#p/f/3/_tma-5riGoc
I got Red K'd in this thread for being a "Flomo" whilst claiming Mayweather avoided Margarito. I mean, the irony is overwhelming.
I was also accused of "taking subtle shots at Pac" which I can only presume are my outrageously offensive statments like "Pac isn't as great as Henry Armstrong" and "Pac isn't a Top 20 ATG" along with others.
I think the person calls me a Flomo because I said Mayweather is my favourite active fighter which of course automtically = "Flomo"
:nonono: :thinking:
Maybe, maybe. I guess we will never know that.
I understand things exist that make it difficult but I believe it could have been made. Maybe it was simply easier at the time so they went that way, maybe Mayweather was scared tod eath like some people claim.
I personally think it has something to do with Oscar being his main goal and anything else was secondary thus the Lineal Champion who happened to be a weaker option would be a nice warm up fight. But I'm sure we can just agree to disagree on that. Since, we really don't know.
Either way like I stated I don't think Floyd was afraid of Margarito per se nor do I believe he ducked the list of people that people wrongly claim.
I just think he picked and chose at this stage, which pretty much everyone in history does at one point or another.
Well he certainly did pick and choose; and Oscar was certainly his main goal post Judah.
It's cool though because who knows as there are plenty of reasons and it could be any number in any combination.
I agree Sekonds. Its amazing how people STILL want to act like this info doesnt exist. These SAME people said there was no way Floyd would fight Shane before fighting Pac because it was too risky. Well that went well.
Floyd aint scared of these dudes man.
That makes some sense, I just don't feel it is a simple situation once Floyd choose to fight Oscar and felt he could get that fight the die was cast there was no pulling it back.
I just don't feel that was a real option at that point, sure he could have fought him back when he fought Mitchell when it was first discussed but his goal was Judah who was the man at that point and Margarito really isn't a good warm up for Judah.
I just don't know how someone could separate the political issues, which people don't like but they are real.
I don't think it had anything to do with harder,easier, more dangerous, lineal title, fear or anything like that. It simply was simpler to make and much less drama involved. If the shoe was on the other foot and Baldomir was with Arum and Margarito was the other guy I think it would have been Margarito.
Maybe, maybe. I guess we will never know that.
I understand things exist that make it difficult but I believe it could have been made. Maybe it was simply easier at the time so they went that way, maybe Mayweather was scared tod eath like some people claim.
I personally think it has something to do with Oscar being his main goal and anything else was secondary thus the Lineal Champion who happened to be a weaker option would be a nice warm up fight. But I'm sure we can just agree to disagree on that. Since, we really don't know.
Either way like I stated I don't think Floyd was afraid of Margarito per se nor do I believe he ducked the list of people that people wrongly claim.
I just think he picked and chose at this stage, which pretty much everyone in history does at one point or another.
Ahh, my mistake. I misunderstood what you were saying.
Did you? I must have missed that but thanks anyway, bro.
Yeah check for EngorgedW/Blood in your user CP. No prob.
Na, you're opinion is not uneducated. I quoted you and said that but it wasn't directed at you. You're a well-educated poster it seems.
I said it would be no fun if you didn't have uneducated opinions and speculations. If it was directed at you would have said "it would be no fun if you didn't have uneducated opinions and speculations like IronDamHamza". Lol I just green k'd you yesterday and called you one of the best posters on here, so it would be stupid of me to call you uneducated the next day.
Ahh, my mistake. I misunderstood what you were saying.
Did you? I must have missed that but thanks anyway, bro.
I'm lazy, I reply to some one in one post, and in that same post I talk in general. So that poster might get offended with something I was saying in general.
@Gambler and Kev (Not going to multiquote the list of posts from you guys)
Guys, I'm not claiming Mayweather is a ducker. I don't believe he is even remotely a ducker. The only person really "ducked" so to speak was Margarito. And not because he was afraid of him like I have stated.
Floyd Mayweather is my favourite active fighter and I have been following his career since the late 90's. I am far from hating the guy.
And all due respect, I don't have a "naked eye" to this situation. As I said, I have been following Floyd Mayweather since the late 90's and have been following the sport thoroughly a lot lot longer. Believe me, I understand what happens. I never once said Mayweather shouldn't ahve fought Judah, I know the backgrounds behing the fight being arranged and so forth and although he lost the fans still wanted the fight. BUT, Margarito was known and linked with Mayweather even before the Zab Judah fight. Talsk were already brewing.
Kev I think you are slightly exaggerating the whole Baldomir thing. I mean, Brian Kenny asked him to fight him but there wasn't reallythat much ask for it. People would have been as happy with Baldomir as they would with Margarito. That's for sure. All of those threads are fine and dandy but it's mainly morons starting those threads.
My opinion isn't uneducated, bro. I understand the whole feud, I followed it, I endured it, I know it. But the fact is the Margarito fight could have been made instead of Baldomir if Floyd really wanted it that much. Like I said, I don't blame him at all for fighting Baldomir. As I stated, I don't believe Floyd was afraid or "running" from Margs like people eraically claim. He merely chose his opponent which hapened to be the easier one for the same money because he was more focused on the Oscar fight. Makes sense for Floyd to do that.
That makes some sense, I just don't feel it is a simple situation once Floyd choose to fight Oscar and felt he could get that fight the die was cast there was no pulling it back.
I just don't feel that was a real option at that point, sure he could have fought him back when he fought Mitchell when it was first discussed but his goal was Judah who was the man at that point and Margarito really isn't a good warm up for Judah.
I just don't know how someone could separate the political issues, which people don't like but they are real.
I don't think it had anything to do with harder,easier, more dangerous, lineal title, fear or anything like that. It simply was simpler to make and much less drama involved. If the shoe was on the other foot and Baldomir was with Arum and Margarito was the other guy I think it would have been Margarito.
@Gambler and Kev (Not going to multiquote the list of posts from you guys)
Guys, I'm not claiming Mayweather is a ducker. I don't believe he is even remotely a ducker. The only person really "ducked" so to speak was Margarito. And not because he was afraid of him like I have stated.
Floyd Mayweather is my favourite active fighter and I have been following his career since the late 90's. I am far from hating the guy.
And all due respect, I don't have a "naked eye" to this situation. As I said, I have been following Floyd Mayweather since the late 90's and have been following the sport thoroughly a lot lot longer. Believe me, I understand what happens. I never once said Mayweather shouldn't ahve fought Judah, I know the backgrounds behing the fight being arranged and so forth and although he lost the fans still wanted the fight. BUT, Margarito was known and linked with Mayweather even before the Zab Judah fight. Talsk were already brewing.
Kev I think you are slightly exaggerating the whole Baldomir thing. I mean, Brian Kenny asked him to fight him but there wasn't reallythat much ask for it. People would have been as happy with Baldomir as they would with Margarito. That's for sure. All of those threads are fine and dandy but it's mainly morons starting those threads.
My opinion isn't uneducated, bro. I understand the whole feud, I followed it, I endured it, I know it. But the fact is the Margarito fight could have been made instead of Baldomir if Floyd really wanted it that much. Like I said, I don't blame him at all for fighting Baldomir. As I stated, I don't believe Floyd was afraid or "running" from Margs like people eraically claim. He merely chose his opponent which hapened to be the easier one for the same money because he was more focused on the Oscar fight. Makes sense for Floyd to do that.
Na, you're opinion is not uneducated. I quoted you and said that but it wasn't directed at you. You're a well-educated poster it seems.
I said it would be no fun if you didn't have uneducated opinions and speculations. If it was directed at you would have said "it would be no fun if you didn't have uneducated opinions and speculations like IronDamHamza". Lol I just green k'd you yesterday and called you one of the best posters on here, so it would be stupid of me to call you uneducated the next day.
@Gambler and Kev (Not going to multiquote the list of posts from you guys)
Guys, I'm not claiming Mayweather is a ducker. I don't believe he is even remotely a ducker. The only person really "ducked" so to speak was Margarito. And not because he was afraid of him like I have stated.
Floyd Mayweather is my favourite active fighter and I have been following his career since the late 90's. I am far from hating the guy.
And all due respect, I don't have a "naked eye" to this situation. As I said, I have been following Floyd Mayweather since the late 90's and have been following the sport thoroughly a lot lot longer. Believe me, I understand what happens. I never once said Mayweather shouldn't ahve fought Judah, I know the backgrounds behing the fight being arranged and so forth and although he lost the fans still wanted the fight. BUT, Margarito was known and linked with Mayweather even before the Zab Judah fight. Talsk were already brewing.
Kev I think you are slightly exaggerating the whole Baldomir thing. I mean, Brian Kenny asked him to fight him but there wasn't reallythat much ask for it. People would have been as happy with Baldomir as they would with Margarito. That's for sure. All of those threads are fine and dandy but it's mainly morons starting those threads.
My opinion isn't uneducated, bro. I understand the whole feud, I followed it, I endured it, I know it. But the fact is the Margarito fight could have been made instead of Baldomir if Floyd really wanted it that much. Like I said, I don't blame him at all for fighting Baldomir. As I stated, I don't believe Floyd was afraid or "running" from Margs like people eraically claim. He merely chose his opponent which hapened to be the easier one for the same money because he was more focused on the Oscar fight. Makes sense for Floyd to do that.
Yea I was never big on youtube posting because there was never intelligent conversation, here even with all the bullshit there is some good boxing conversation that I don't normally get to have. That sort of conversation doesn't extend to Floyd Mayweather though but whatever there are other guys to talk about even if it is annoying to deal with the Floyd stuff but i still try and deal with it intelligently.
Definitely, once I joined BS, I never went back to Youtube. I did go back actually in 2008, my last boxing comment on Youtube was predicting Hopkins over Pavlik. I was calling every body crazy for thinking Pavlik will beat Hopkins, I got frustrated at the people's reasons for picking Pavlik so I never went back. Not that boxingscene was that much better, but it is better.
Youtube is very powerful. All people need to see is Margarito approaching Mayweather and asking him for a fight, and Floyd telling him we'll fight down th eline, let it build up. That's it, that's all they need, Floyd is ducking Antonio Margarito.
Before joining Boxingscene, I was just a lurker, but I loved writing on Youtube. Man, Youtube was like Boxingscene on steroids. The haters were more brave, it was like anything goes, no one gets banned, people say all the racist shit they want :lol1:
Yea I was never big on youtube posting because there was never intelligent conversation, here even with all the bullshit there is some good boxing conversation that I don't normally get to have. That sort of conversation doesn't extend to Floyd Mayweather though but whatever there are other guys to talk about even if it is annoying to deal with the Floyd stuff but i still try and deal with it intelligently.
The only people I remember breaking Floyd's balls over Margarito where his number 1 and 2 fans Steve Kim and Doug Fischer, it didn't build steam until much later. That is pretty much the arguments people use even today is those guys arguments from 04,05,06 but at least those guys do know something (even if I disagree most of the time with them) about the sport.
Most people just parrot that stuff and that is annoying as hell.
Youtube is very powerful. All people need to see is Margarito approaching Mayweather and asking him for a fight, and Floyd telling him we'll fight down th eline, let it build up. That's it, that's all they need, Floyd is ducking Antonio Margarito.
Before joining Boxingscene, I was just a lurker, but I loved writing on Youtube. Man, Youtube was like Boxingscene on steroids. The haters were more brave, it was like anything goes, no one gets banned, people say all the racist shit they want :lol1:
It is true enough, no one cared about a Margarito fight until much later Floyd got called out on ESPN for fighting Judah instead of Baldomir so it is not like no one wanted to see it or didn't think it was a legitimate fight.
I remember people saying Judah was the MAN to beat Floyd even after Baldomir beat him and I remember people saying Baldomir would beat or at least give Floyd a run for his money also.
I can prove this through digging up threads here if you want to go that route or you can accept the situation was not black and white simple like you are making it out.
Iron is a very good poster, one of my favorites. But I don't blame him for his opinions. To the naked eye, it seems like Floyd is a ducker. But if you look in to it a little more, take certain things in to consideration, take Floyd leaving Top Rank after the Judah fight, which was already signed whether Judah wins or losses to Baldomir, much like the rematch between Pac-Morales, why didn't Pac fight Raheem since Raheem beat Morales? Because Pac-Morales II was signed whether Morales wins or losses to Raheem..why Pac didn't fight Raheem after the Morales rematch, I don't know.
I honestly do not remember Floyd being as attacked as he was to fight Baldomir, than to fight Margarito. Every one was on Floyd's nuts to fight Baldomir, that was actually the first verbal wars he had with Brian Kenny. It was about Baldomir. I do not remember ESPN, Kenny, breaking Floyd balls to fight Margarito. Maybe he did, but I just missed it. The Floyd ducking Margarito thread didn't come along until 2007-2008. In 2006 it was all Baldomir.
The only people I remember breaking Floyd's balls over Margarito where his number 1 and 2 fans Steve Kim and Doug Fischer, it didn't build steam until much later. That is pretty much the arguments people use even today is those guys arguments from 04,05,06 but at least those guys do know something (even if I disagree most of the time with them) about the sport.
Most people just parrot that stuff and that is annoying as hell.
I wasn't posting at the time here only lurking but anyone from that time frame would know that fight dominated the place for 6 months basically, and not with a ton of people saying Floyd would kill Hatton although not to say there weren't a large number backing Floyd.
Yep, in 07 it was all Hatton/Cotto vs Mayweather, Hatton vs Mayweather hype was crazy.
I didn't want to kill my night looking that stuff up thanks, I forgot it was already compiled.
I honestly do not remember Floyd being as attacked as he was to fight Baldomir, than to fight Margarito. Every one was on Floyd's nuts to fight Baldomir, that was actually the first verbal wars he had with Brian Kenny. It was about Baldomir. I do not remember ESPN, Kenny, breaking Floyd balls to fight Margarito. Maybe he did, but I just missed it. The Floyd ducking Margarito thread didn't come along until 2007-2008. In 2006 it was all Baldomir.
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