Why demand PED testing for the biggest fight in history?

Wow Splackavellie, we used to describe what Agentsmith just did to you as "pulling your hoe card". Your agenda was clear from the start though, you weren't fooling anyone. You again? You done playin outside? Go tell grandma to give you a bath. Adults ain't done talkin yet, son.

lmao:rofl: :rofl: Like I said, faulty memory. You got me, all good in the hood :rofl: But...in my defense, that was before anybody realized that Olympic testing could involve tests so close to the fight, or that Pac had a documented bad experience with drawing blood so close to the fight. As new facts become available, opinions change, no? So anyway, that makes us even then. My change in stance, plus your thread from allll the way back in January of 2010 (wow I can't even remeber back that far) illustrating your longtime crusade for stricter drug testing. :lol1:

mayweather trying to be the boss by requiring pacquiao to ALSO undergo a RANDOM blood testing is pure BS.:boxing: just like mayweather, i COULD HAVE, SHOULD HAVE, WOULD HAVE supported mayweather on this one but NOT. why is that? because it's the commission's job to do so! team mayweather could have suggested this damn blood testing to those who are in charge of checking out the fighters. if that happened, then they can make pacquiao look more guilty if he really is on drugs as they claim. for sure, pacquiao would not want to be tested if that happened if he is on something. though i was thinking it is pac's high-altitude training was just the thing he is on.

Easy rep...

I see this is going nowhere. I still haven't seen any links to Abraham's past fights in which blood testing was used. I believed you when you said it, but after asking you for a link several times and being ignored, I'm starting to have doubts. Catchweight fights, some of which were championship fights: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=326011 Another link: http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3238297 And you keep repeating that Manny needs to be the first, completely ignoring the fact that what Manny agreed to would already make him the first. If I'm wrong, link me to a fight that required three blood tests and unlimited urine tests. Bottom line, the amount of testing Pacquiao agreed to is already UNPRECEDENTED. If you don't agree with this, then prove it wrong. Show me a fight in the past where this much testing was done. And that link to your thread to prove that you've been a longtime advocate of strict testing in the past is hilarious, considering it's from January of THIS YEAR! :lol1: Look so what you saying?? when its all said and done what are you trying to say? You think Floyd is Scared of Pac? Is that your final answer? All this evidence about PED's, Drug Testing cycles, history of steroid use, urine vs blood analysis, etc...you have seen and hopefully read all you need to know to draw a conclusion. So after all of this if you still conclude that Floyd is simply scared of Pac and was looking for a way out the fight then thats it, and call it a day. You and Arum can believe that together.

I see this is going nowhere. I still haven't seen any links to Abraham's past fights in which blood testing was used. I believed you when you said it, but after asking you for a link several times and being ignored, I'm starting to have doubts. Catchweight fights, some of which were championship fights: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=326011 Another link: http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3238297 And you keep repeating that Manny needs to be the first, completely ignoring the fact that what Manny agreed to would already make him the first. If I'm wrong, link me to a fight that required three blood tests and unlimited urine tests. Bottom line, the amount of testing Pacquiao agreed to is already UNPRECEDENTED. If you don't agree with this, then prove it wrong. Show me a fight in the past where this much testing was done. And that link to your thread to prove that you've been a longtime advocate of strict testing in the past is hilarious, considering it's from January of THIS YEAR! :lol1:

If Manny Pacquiao demanded better drug testing the PEDFarts would all support and would be proud their hero is cleaning up boxing. No Mayweather excuse would even recieve consideration from them.

Here's a few points to consider: - The financial gains afforded to the winner would have been extremely broad and rewarding. - This was going to be the biggest fight in the history of the sport of boxing. - The winner would lay claim to the very best P4P in the world of boxing - In essence he would be on top of the world of boxing. When that much is on the line for a fight - there is significant motivation to use {Even if you never did before} PED's. Because if the stakes are great for a normal mega-fight, then the stakes for the fight between PBF vs Pacman would have been astronomical. The statement "I am the Very Best\Greatest" would be fitting from the moment of the last bell. This was no normal fight - this was "THE FIGHT" in boxing and everyone knew it. And once the final bell sounds - no one wants to have any suspicions that cheating was involved to get the win. This is why testing should have been accepted. Exactly because this was no normal mega-fight. Also, because the prize and accolades won from this fight will have been humongous and no one wants to be cheated out of that prize by the fight not being fought on a level playing field. Now many state that Mayweather had no business requesting Olympic Style Testing. Why not??? Again this would be an historic fight of the era - One that would be talked about for decades. Why shouldn't extraordinary measures be employed to ensure that there is no foul play involved. Something that people miss in making this claim, is the magnitude of this kind of fight. We're talking Mega-Millions of dollars for all involved - plus the potential millions additional to be made by the winner. This would be the ultimate winner take all scenario in boxing. In this type of fight {One that many will not see again in their lifetime} nothing is out of bounds, when it comes to guaranteeing an equal and level playing field ..... Nothing. That's exactly why the 10 Million penalty demanded by Team Pacman, wasn't out of bounds when it was contracted. This fight would be just too big to exclude any demand that would give either fighter an edge. And this basic point is missed by many, when they try to support their silly arguments against PED testing in this kind of fight. You cannot deploy normal standards to a fight of this magnitude. The stakes were just too great!!!!!! So, IMHO - Floyd had every right to demand extreme testing, just as much right as Pacman had every right to demand penalties of 10 million per pound. The overall point: The biggest fight in history demanded extreme measures be taken to ensure a fair fight. So, the arguments need to STOP - this was no ordinary fight, it was an extraordinary fight and extraordinary measures to ensure fair play were needed and required. OK!! both parties negotiated to failure. Ego,ego. Though I think they don't want to set a "precedent" with regards to Mayweather's demand.

That's four excuses, but the latest one is more reliable OK then, lol. It took him a month after the fight to realize he was weakened by the blood test?:dance: Mayweather is also going to be the one getting into the ring, shouldn't he have the right to request more stringent testing? Doesn't Pacquiao have the right to come into the ring without worrying if he will be weakened by a procedure that gave him a bad experience in the past? Do you really think the biggest fight of his life is the one where he should be experimenting? "Oh trust us, THIS TIME it won't weaken you. YOU HAVE OUR WORD ON IT." lol. Why did Mayweather request not even one, not ONE, extra blood tests in his last superfight, the biggest grossing fight in history? What happened? As I have said before does one random test, with a cut off date equal random testing 3-5 times through out his training camp to you?:banghead: No it doesn't. Since when should Pacquiao have to be the first one-man blood bank in boxing history? :dance: Pacquiao agreed to more testing than has ever been done on any boxer in history. This argument holds no water, its a known fact that the only fighters that get caught are the ones who make mistakes i.e they don't discontinue their ped use in time like Vargas and Toney. Does it matter if this testing has never been done before? Did Holyfield, Mosely and Morrison ever get caught by the current drug system in place? There always has to be a first, like the first boxer who was tested for stimulants in 1981, or the first boxer who was tested for steroids in 2001. If Mosley used what he used before, he would get caught today by urine tests alone. Do you really believe tests don't get updated? No test is 100% reliable, and that includes blood tests. You have to draw the line somewhere. Pacquiao agreeing to more testing than has ever been done on any boxer in history should be good enough for Mayweather. When Roach initially agreed to the tests were you against it then? Can I assume that if I search your post history I will come across posts from you condemning it then? I probably didn't even pay it any attention, to be honest. Only when it became a big sticking point is when I and most people began to take a closer look. Can I assume that if I search your post history I will come across posts from you advocating blood testing in Mayweather's past fights? Can I assume that if I search your post history I will come across posts from you advocating blood testing in anybody's past fights? The green giant posted some quotes from the articles Can you quote a specific passage from those articles where it says which Abraham fights required blood testing? I can't even find the word "blood" in those articles. Again I ask, is there PED blood testing in the Abraham-Dirrell fight? I honestly don't know if there is or not. A link would be appreciated. Has there ever been a ww champion who had to put his belt on the line after agreeing to a catchweight before? Has there ever been a fight were the stipulation was included for a fine of 10m for every pound over the limit before? Can I assume that I will find posts from you condemning these as well? I was against the catchweight with Cotto from the beginning. Check my posts. I disagreed with it, but I understand why they asked for it . I still think they should have done it at 147, win or lose, but that's just me. However, there is plenty of precedent for catchweight championship bouts. If you're even a casual boxing fan, much less a hardcore, you should know this. Why did Pacquiao ask for the 10m per pound overweight penalty? Well, did Floyd come in overweight for his last fight with Marquez? Did he disregard the contract weight limit? If Floyd comes into the fight at 147 like he's supposed to do anyway, then the penalty doesn't mean a damn thing. Like Chris Rock said, always want credit for doin' shit they supposed to be doin' anyway. :lol1: Dude, you are blatantly reaching with this. If you are going to use peds it will be during your camp either throughout your camp or during the second half and then you taper off about a week before the fight. I find it interesting here how you haven't posted a link. Like I said, I have zero PED expertise. Just going off (faulty) memory of things I've read on here and other places. If that's the schedule that PED users follow, I'll have to take your expert opinion on it. lol. There are so many peds on the market its pointless just focusing on EPO. See above. OK. I'll take your word for it. What kind of argument is this, It has never been done before so no one is allowed to suggest it? I don't understand what you mean here. Pac already agreed to more testing stipulations than have ever been agreed to before in boxing history, more than in any fight, more than in any superfight, more than in any of Floyd's superfights. Think about that. What he agreed to HAS never been done before. He agreed to it. End of. Point blank. Period. What more do you want? He gives you an inch, you want a foot. He gives you a foot, you want a yard. He gives you a yard, you want a mile. And so on. And so on. And so on...

Would manny requesting Flyod not to use pain killers in his hands for training cos of the magnitude of the fight be acceptable? I mean he has been using it for years, just like Manny has been doing the normal drug testing. Since this is the fight of the century no one should have an advantage. It sounds silly but Im using your agruement for the other side.

What's so negative about random blood testing? Why are people so against this and not for it?

So that's now four excuses for why he lost to Morales, but this one is the one you believe most because? Did Pacquiao look weak in the first Morales fight to you? Not to me especially in the 12th round. Pacquiao was also cut in the second Marquez fight, did he not win that fight, did he not win a lot of the final rounds as well round 10 comes to mind. I neither believe his excuse nor deny it. What matters is that he believes that the blood draw so close to fight time weakened him. He's the one getting into the ring risking his health, not me. You show me one link where he says he agreed to random testing throughout his training camp. Come on, this is well documented: random test until 30 days (or 24 days, whatever) before the fight. Using math, if training camp is 56 days (8 weeks), then that leaves a window of 26 days (or 32 days if using the 24 day cutoff) for random testing. Dr Margaret Goodman of the NSAC is on record as saying that its best to check the blood as well Team Pacquiao agreed to one blood draw at the presscon, one on or before the 24-day cutoff, and one after the fight. Name another fight where this much testing was done. Arthur Abraham and his opponents I saw that link you posted, but it had no specifics. Are you saying Abraham had fights in the past that required both fighters to have multiple blood tests? If you say so, I believe you, but can you give a link just to verify for which specific fights this was done? Or are you saying the upcoming Abraham-Dirrell fight will require such testing? Again, if you say so, I believe you, but can you give a link just to verify? I googled but found nothing on Abraham-Dirrell blood testing. Maybe my google skillz suck. Whats the point of a blood test before training and after a fight? Both of those dates are worthless. One Random test with a 30 day cut of point? Whats the point of that? I've read that if someone is using PEDs, they would likely be on them early in camp, or even before camp, and taper off later in camp as the fight gets closer. So maybe it's more likely they'll be using early in camp. Also, it would seem to me that if Pacquiao is taking anything, it would be EPO (the stuff Mosley admitted to using) right before the fight, as Pac has freakish stamina (see first Morales fight and first Barrera fight for good examples). But from what I understand, EPO is detected by urine tests This report, requested by WADA’s stakeholders and commissioned by the Agency to evaluate the validity of urinary and blood tests for detecting the presence of recombinant EPO, concluded that urinary testing is the only scientifically validated method for direct detection of recombinant EPO Pacquiao has agreed to unlimited urine tests. But then again I'm no PED expert... Again, Team Pacquiao agreed to one blood draw at the presscon, one blood draw on or before the 24-day cutoff, one blood draw after the fight, and unlimited urine testing. Again, I ask you ladies and gentlemen, can you name another fight where this much testing was done?

easy fight easy work... stop contradicting mayweather junior.

Going back to the question of the thread: "Why demand PED testing for the biggest fight in history?" This isn't about Mayweather wanting all those good things for boxing... he never cared for the sport. He left boxing when it was at its lowest, saying it is dead without him. He always says he doesn't get that much respect from the sport, you think he wants this tests "for the good of the sport?" Do you actually think he want this "tests" because this is a mega-fight and an historic fight and that both parties should be clean? Mayweather wants a level playing field? Come on. Fairness is not in Mayweather's vocabulary, just ask Marquez. Either Mayweather wants added edge over Pacquiao or he doesn't want to fight him at all. While I believe stricter testing is necessary for boxing as a whole, it should not be the reason this specific fight should not to happen. Floyd has fought all of his fights without those tests before, he should have agreed to what is being offered, as it is over and above what is required already. He did say that he can beat Pacquaio under "any circumstances." With this negotiations getting media attention, the boxing commissions are now under the microscope and might rethink their testing strategies. If the kits are commercially available and will not be that expensive, I'm sure they'd be more than happy to adopt such testing, as they are mandated to do so to protect the fighters anyway.

Save those homosexual fantasies for your boyfriend my man. Your posts are are kinda cute, big man. I like you.

Unintelligent people resort to personal attacks when they're being handled in a debate. That's exactly what you did, and what you're continuing to do. How about you go get somebody smarter to help you out? Girl. My nuts. Get off them.

"Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 KOs) didn't want any blood testing but had agreed to take three blood tests: one during the week of the kickoff news conference, which would have taken place next week; one random test to be conducted no later than 30 days before the fight; and a final test in his dressing room after the fight. Mayweather (40-0, 25 KOs) would have been subject to the same testing procedures." Does the above to you sound like random testing, during Pac's training camp? Didn't the judge mediating the fight say that Arum had openly lied about things that took place in the negotiations as well? Didnt Arum also lie about needle phobias and superstitions? Isnt this the same Arum that paid Bobby Lee head of the IBF bribes to push his fighters up the ranking, so that they could get undeserved title shots. Isnt this the same Bob Arum who created Bob Arum promotions so he could promote fights in Apartheid South Africa? Surely you can do better than an article quoting Arum? Is that not random? :dunno: Basically, from January 17, to February 17, they could do a random test. That's a one month window for random testing. True about Arum. But everything I've read says 24 days is a cutoff date, which means there's a window for random testing. Where does it say that it's not a cutoff date? And as bad as Arum is, don't tell me Schaefer is a saint. They're promoters. In other words professional liars.

You're the one who abandoned the discussion to make a personal attack on me. Don't try to play the Adult role now. No coincidence that you decided to respond to that post instead of the one that was pertinent to the discussion. I see through you like glass. Kid, I didn't abandon shit. You started flamin, and I called you out on it. Deal with it boy. Check the posts in this thread.

What's that? I can't understand what you're saying with Pacquiao's d*ck shoved down your throat. Grown folks is talkin' here, son. Go on outside and play for a minute while adults have a discussion.

If you watch the post fight interview after the Morales I fight Pac gives three reasons for losing that fight. 1: Morales's style 2: Not using the gloves he wanted 3: The blood from the cut above his eye blinding him If you then watch the post fight interview after the second Morales fight he says he won due to wearing the gloves he wanted.He never mentions feeling weak due to the prior blood tests. I guess you didn't see this video then. As I said before Pac never agreed to random testing. Link? Everything I'm reading says he agreed to random testing with a 24-day cutoff date. Doesn't it bother anyone here that McCline, Morrison, Holyfield and Mosley were able to get pass the system. With Olympic Style testing some fight had to be first, why not the fight of the century? You do know that tests, even urine tests, are constantly updated, don't you? Mosley wouldn't be able to get away with the cream and clear today, using urine testing alone. Has any boxer agreed to the amount of testing Pac agreed to? - Blood test at kickoff presscon (2 months before the fight?), - Random blood testing for first month of camp (assuming a 2 month camp) - Blood test after the fight - Unlimited urine testing Pac went above and beyond what was required.