Did Anyone Find It Strange That Pac Said NO?

IDK man. To me it doesnt seem like its in Pac's makeup or character to respond like that. It just came off weird to me. I know he doesnt like certain things about it but for him to emphatically say NO about 2 weeks is a little strange. I mean he couldve even said give me 20 days or something but his team made This will be talked about for a long time. The fact that Pac was fingered by Konz as personally refusing does give it an extra element of suspicion. But go with me for a second. If the offer was on the table pre-mediator what was Pac expecting to achieve at the meeting? It was obvious there was still an interest or there would have been no meeting. Floyd had already compromised on the testing with the 2 weeks out, that was rejected so what was left? What is sad is that no one inside boxing, a sport where people are beaten to death and ruined mentally, other than Teddy Atlas is stepping up saying," let's take the cloud of suspicion away and start talking about a system that incorporates random, year round, blood and urine testing. I thought boxing was a sport about the will of the human spirit and the courage to stand up when you don't think you can anymore?

The sides had quickly agreed on most points in the negotiations and the drug-testing dispute has been the only sticking point in the last month in an attempt to make the bout between the men widely regarded as the top two fighters in the world. The highly anticipated bout seemed to be going down the drain Friday afternoon as Pacquiao adviser Mike Koncz told Yahoo! Sports by telephone from the Philippines that “we’ve moved on and are getting ready to sign a contract to fight Clottey.” Schaefer, whose company is representing Mayweather in the talks, said Friday he isn’t sure Pacquiao is aware that Mayweather agreed to cut off testing 14 days before the fight and to have it administered by the Nevada Athletic Commission. Bruce Binkow, the chief marketing officer of Golden Boy Promotions, on Dec. 30 offered a 14-day cutoff as a compromise via instant message to Top Rank president Todd duBoef, who replied on Dec. 31 that “14 is no good.” Schaefer said he believes the fight can be salvaged over the weekend and the first step is making certain that Pacquiao is aware of Mayweather’s 14-day offer. “There are reports that Manny is not aware of this and we want to make certain that he knows what Floyd has agreed to do,” Schaefer said. However, Koncz said he was informed of the offer by promoter Bob Arum and that he brought it directly to Pacquiao, who would not even consider it. Koncz said Pacquiao was very firm in his decision. “Bob called and told us about the 14 days and I brought that to Manny and he said, ‘I told you, we’re not agreeing to that,’ and that was pretty much it,” Koncz said. Schaefer called Mayweather’s offer “a very fair, very reasonable compromise solution” and said Mayweather is still eager to fight Pacquiao on March 13. Both Schaefer and Mayweather Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe have denied speaking to any potential other opponents, though Mayweather has been linked through numerous published reports with Paulie Malignaggi. “We’ve focused solely on getting a fight done with Manny Pacquiao and that’s it,” Ellerbe said. “Manny would be willing to fight Mayweather, but the tenor of negotiations would be a lot different in the future,” Koncz said. “Manny was very accommodating before, because he wanted to get this fight done and to satisfy the fans, who wanted it very much. Billing is important to Manny, but he gave that up to accommodate Mayweather’s ego because wants to go out as the best fighter there ever was and, clearly, Mayweather is one of the best.

So which came first the smear campaign or the request? It almost seemed like it's planned on the part of the FM camp -- Floyd Sr., Schaefer, DLH, Roger... Why would you do that if you are really serious in the fight happening especially when you don't have any evidence to back it up? The fact that Roach is certain that Manny will "pass with flying colors" just meant to me that they're really not hiding anything. This is the American side of Manny's camp where steroid use is rampant. The unlikeliness of it is practically nil in the Philippine side. Absolutely nothing you can find there. (Just visit the Philippines someday and see for yourself. You'll find some of the most advanced and biggest shopping malls. And they have white beaches there, too. LOL.) Basically, this talk about Manny taking roids is just that, crap. I dont know!!! Am just stating facts on what happened according to Roach himself.

The point is, even if Manny said yes or no AFTER arbitration failed, we'd never know. He's been gagged, and it's just Koncz and Arum who've been telling. If we go by what we KNOW beyond dispute to be Manny's opinion: 1. He'll tolerate a minimum of 2 days' cutoff, but prefers far more. 2. He's super-pissed at Floyd Sr. to the point of litigation. Neither would've torpedoed the fight, so someone else's agenda did. I totally disagree with that. You take Pac at his word but I dont. I mean, Arum talks shit but he's the greediest cat there is. If Pac told him that he'll take the test up until 5 days prior then Arum takes that fight. Shoot, Arum was the one who basically forced the 24 days. Everyone else was saying 30 days but when Arum saw that Hatton vid, he went to find out the real date and changed it to 24

How early? Show a link. The OP of this thread is relating it as if the last days of the negotiation was going smoothly and amicably. It was not. Arum was seething in anger at the folks sitting in the opposite side of the table; Pacquiao has just filed a lawsuit and was obviously pissed at the Mayweather camp for smearing his name. (The OP doesn't seem to understand this as if the situation is normal.) I am a Pacman fan because I like his style of boxing. I would have hoped that he accepted the opponent's demand just to end all these senseless debates. But if I were in his shoes at that point I would have none of the Mayweathers and his allies and all I could think of is have them punished in one way or the other. I wouldn't even listen if they offered a 1 month cut off. I'm mad and let them go to hell. I never said anything about it going smoothly at the end. I said the whole time that they knew about the date from the jump and was fine but then out the blue went crazy when everything else was done. At the end, Arum didnt like the other side but he himself & Koncz said that they still took the 14 day offer to Pac and Pac is the one that said NO

DLT, I'm not convinced Koncz actually took the "14 days" up with Manny. Manny says "huwag naman sa araw ng laban" (literally 'just not on the day of the fight itself' --which really means a 2-day cutoff) on video, TWICE in the last week of December. Then, after Arum's first tantrum, Pac's put into ziploc, no more interviews (even to this day!); and lo and behold, Pac's website has a surprisingly articulate statement, in English, allegedly from Manny, that he's always been firm on 30 days, just like Blob (!!!!) This is not ten days after Pac's verbal-on-video request for at least a 48-hour cutoff. All we've heard since then is Blob's and Koncz' version(s) of what happened or will hapen. I think Schaefer's right: no one told Manny about a 14-day offer. Not until the arbitration had failed, if at all. By then, Arum was determined not to make the fight happen, and had moved onto the Clottey/Dallas angle. Now that could very well be true but he still definitely heard after the fact and still didnt come with it. Im not mad at Pac though. Its probably better for both guys that it happeneds at the end of this year

Because he didn't wanna give in to floyd's demands, remember these are the clowns trying to put him down and now they're telling him what to do?? LOL.. And I got a simple question. why did he have to?? To defend his honor or is that not a good enough reason for him!!! Pac made 95% of the demands for this fight yet people are still trying to say floyd was making to many demands now thats funny!!!

According to Roach and quote back in early December 3rd " They want us to take some kind of test, We dont mind we would take any test whatsoever and pass with flying colours"......That was back in Early December when Freddie Roach came over to England for the Khan/Salita fight. So which came first the smear campaign or the request? It almost seemed like it's planned on the part of the FM camp -- Floyd Sr., Schaefer, DLH, Roger... Why would you do that if you are really serious in the fight happening especially when you don't have any evidence to back it up? The fact that Roach is certain that Manny will "pass with flying colors" just meant to me that they're really not hiding anything. This is the American side of Manny's camp where steroid use is rampant. The unlikeliness of it is practically nil in the Philippine side. Absolutely nothing you can find there. (Just visit the Philippines someday and see for yourself. You'll find some of the most advanced and biggest shopping malls. And they have white beaches there, too. LOL.) Basically, this talk about Manny taking roids is just that, crap.

What ever it is, there are still 90 Million Filipino will support pacman this March 13 fight plus 3 million filipino living in the US. He has all the support of all the filipino people around the world.

How early? Show a link. According to Roach and quote back in early December 3rd " They want us to take some kind of test, We dont mind we would take any test whatsoever and pass with flying colours"......That was back in Early December when Freddie Roach came over to England for the Khan/Salita fight. And According to Dan raphael two weeks ago he also maintained that the test was the ONLY demand that Team Mayweather make and that was insist on from the get go, He was basically saying the test wasnt just drummed up in the middle of the negotiation it was from the beginning.

I can understand him saying no. Floyd insulted him. Pac told him to **** off. If he took the tests and they were clean, but Floyd beat him with ease, people would question his previous amazing wins over Cotto and Hatton. Taking the tests wouldnt clear his name. If he lost to Floyd, he would be branded a cheat AND a loser!

its not strange :) Basically Pacman is just asking for the right thing. If Mayweather had a problem with the current testing procedures of the sport, then he should have went to the Nevada Athletic Commission and ask for a random test and explain. Nevada Athletic Commission should decide and not floyd.

This is not talked about enough, the testing was something brought up early in negotiations. How early? Show a link. Then when everything was about done, Team Pac & Arum went batshit crazy running to the press, like it was something new, this was also around the same time that they asked for that $10 million penalty, possibly thinking Floyd would say no, and they could use that as another reason to say no to the fight. The OP of this thread is relating it as if the last days of the negotiation was going smoothly and amicably. It was not. Arum was seething in anger at the folks sitting in the opposite side of the table; Pacquiao has just filed a lawsuit and was obviously pissed at the Mayweather camp for smearing his name. (The OP doesn't seem to understand this as if the situation is normal.) I am a Pacman fan because I like his style of boxing. I would have hoped that he accepted the opponent's demand just to end all these senseless debates. But if I were in his shoes at that point I would have none of the Mayweathers and his allies and all I could think of is have them punished in one way or the other. I wouldn't even listen if they offered a 1 month cut off. I'm mad and let them go to hell.

"easy fight, easy work, probably easier than the Marquez fight". ^ This is not talked about enough, Care to talk? I'm just wondering why, if this is supposedly such an easy fight, additional requirements are necessary? Don't say its about being fair, or wanting a level playing field, focus on what Floyd said. "easy fight, easy work, probably easier than the Marquez fight."

I think it looks suspicious yes but there could be reasons beyond guilt. I think that he is clean personally. I feel that it is more about not letting Floyd have any leverage at all for the purpose of making it clear that he is the "man" now, not Floyd. You keep hearing the guys on ESPN saying that it may be hard for the "common man" to understand how someone could turn down 40 mil over some tests. I understand their perspective because the common guy has no idea about 40 million dollars and will never, ever see that much money in their lifetime. Manny though, likely has 200 million in the bank, if not more so missing out on 40 mil is not really hurting him. I know that sounds crazy but for a guy that has so much money, things at this point, aren't even about the money. I think they knew that these allegations would be detrimental to his image and had planned to sue a while ago. Floyd needs the money more than Manny does and by walking away from this fight, it shows that Manny has immediate options while Floyd is still looking for options that make sense to him. Almost any fight with Pac is gonna be big now while Floyd needs big names to make fights worthwhile. In the end, I think this whole scenario was a big pissing contest between the two that resulted in a guy getting his image tarnished and another guy getting sued. Maybe not but I feel this is one legitimate way to look at it.

Everything is done & finished and out the blue here comes the Pac side going crazy over the testing. Team Floyd is like, "what are you talking about? From the jump you knew we wanted it and you said it was ok. That wasnt even a factor anymore. All we had to negotiate is the other stuff and it went smooth & fast so why are you going insane now and try to spin it like we are the problem, we didnt make it clear from the jump, and you didnt agree"? ^ This is not talked about enough, the testing was something brought up early in negotiations. Then when everything was about done, Team Pac & Arum went batshit crazy running to the press, like it was something new, this was also around the same time that they asked for that $10 million penalty, possibly thinking Floyd would say no, and they could use that as another reason to say no to the fight.

Fact: he said that he felt weaken after blood test and said he was not hiting as hard was the main reason he lost the fight is enough, you saying other wise are wrong. Are you saying you know how his body works better then Manny himself? Give it up, man. He had more blood drawn out of him when he fought Hatton, what happened in that fight?

Fact: he said that he felt weaken after blood test and said he was not hiting as hard was the main reason he lost the fight is enough, you saying other wise are wrong. Are you saying you know how his body works better then Manny himself?

You people have lost your minds. Pacquiao never wanted a fight? Who was it that came back & announced a fight with a 36 year old career featherweight THE DAY OF PACQUIAO VS HATTON? Who is the one asking for a EXTRA TEST he has never asked before his whole career? Who is asking for olympic style testing that has never been done before in the history of professional prize fighting? Who has the reputation of fighting smaller fighters? Who has the reputation of ducking? Who has the reputation of taking easy fights? Pac is scared? LMFAOOOOO!!!! Here are the hints that team Manny Pacquiao had little interest of wanting the fight to happened this soon. The Mayweather fight is the fight the world wants to see,” Roach said. “It’s going to be the biggest pay-per-view fight of all time. But I think we will fight one fight before that.” Roach said that Pacquiao’s schedule will be constructed around his political ambitions and the elections in the Philippines on May 10. “But there is a March date for him to fight,” Roach said. “People think I am crazy but I want him to win his eighth title against Yuri Foreman at 154lb. That’s my idea — then fight Mayweather in September. And then retire.” The way Roach sees it, there will be no further blemishes on Pacquiao’s record by the time he greets retirement, although he does concede that Mayweather will be “the hardest fight of his life”. “Mayweather’s a very difficult fight for Manny,” he said. “It won’t be physically the hardest, but it will be the hardest fight of his life style-wise. Mayweather is talented and he’s good at defence. I have a very good game plan for him, but I’m sure a lot of other guys thought that along the way. “We’ll have a ten-week training camp. We have to work on a lot of new moves, we have to improve in certain areas to win that fight.” And would he expect his man to win? “Oh yes. Without a doubt.”

Here's Roach talking out of his arse.