It's not even about steroids anymore...

Here is your reasons... so did Dr. Caitlin say 14 day is enuf as what Mayweather is proposing? what should be the cut off date? did the doctor mentioned that? maybe 1 day after the fight is enuf.

It's about pride.. if floyd offers 23 days pac would say no and if pac offers 15 days floyd would say no.. Both in essence want to say, see I'm the man he caved in on my demands, because quite frankly whats the difference between 24 to 14 days?? and thats what's even more frustrating as a fan.. I just didn't expect this to spin out of control like this..:tragedy: Here is your reasons... Dr. Don H. Catlin, the head of the Los Angeles-based non-profit Anti-Doping Research, Inc., said a 24-day cutoff for blood testing is not sufficient to prevent abuse. One of the concerns with such a long blood-testing cutoff prior to the date of competition would be the potential use of Erythropoietin, or EPO. But Catlin said that wouldn’t be the only concern if there were a 24-day cutoff imposed. “If you have a 24-day window that’s free, with no testing, you can take whatever you want and you’re not going to get caught, end of story,” Catlin said. “ does matter, yes, but they’re not going to catch everything by urine testing alone. What you would do is to take Mircera , which is available and which is not easy to detect in urine and away you go. You need a blood test.”

pacman should take the tests to show that he's clean. do it for the boxing fans, not mayweather. mayweather is taking the same tests so theres no bowing down nothing like that this guys right....do it for the fans we want to see this fight go down

Totally agree its their pride that is killing this fight. Manny won't bow down to Floyd neither Floyd would bow down to Manny. I think Floyd knows Manny is clean he just want to make Manny mad and say look I'm the king cause Manny follows my demands. pacman should take the tests to show that he's clean. do it for the boxing fans, not mayweather. mayweather is taking the same tests so theres no bowing down nothing like that

It's about pride.. if floyd offers 23 days pac would say no and if pac offers 15 days floyd would say no.. Both in essence want to say, see I'm the man he caved in on my demands, because quite frankly whats the difference between 24 to 14 days?? and thats what's even more frustrating as a fan.. I just didn't expect this to spin out of control like this..:tragedy: pride????? im supportin pac but he should have taken 14 days....that way he couldve shutted floyd up and then fighted him in the ring...

it never was about steroids. pbf is trying to be bigger than the commission by wanting his own testing. any man with 1/2 a set of balls is never gonna bow down to that. would any of you allow me to dictate anything like that to you? i sure as hell would not. i'd follow the same rules as everyone else sure, but i would not be made to do something unless it's required of all fighters as per the normal test. pbf, never asked any other fighter for this. pbf knew pac was not going for it. gimme a break. you people who defend him saying manny's guilty, etc. are incompetent,and very foolish. imagine the roles reversed, you'd all be crying racism, and the like. standard testing is fine, and manny still agreed to additional testing showing more than reasonable accomodation. floyd don't really want the fight. sucks that floyd again screwed us out of a big fight. blame ur hero.

how can you prove him guilty ? he is running and hiding and duckin are u living in a country where it is ok to accuse a person without any proof? come on, the burden is on Floyd's camp to prove that Pac is using steroids. he is not running away. he just made a 24 day compromise that is way beyond what the NASC requires. Im so tired of all this bullshit..i hope both of them just move on. Pac-Clottey. now thats a fight

I am sick and tired of hearing that Mayweather is trying to change the rules. Mayweather makes a demand in contract negotiations, and he's changing the rules. I am sure that Mayweather does not give a shit if any other fighter has or has not an olympic style drug testing protocol as part of his fight contract; however, he wants one for his fight with Pacquiao. What's most pathetic is that this kind of demand is actually a positive thing for boxing, yet many complain. Meanwhile, we don't see the same passionate argument behind the elimination of fights with a catchweight between top contenders, the "I think I'll retire today but I'll come back 18 months later and fight a top contender" bullshit, or an insistence that there be a universal ranking system to force the top fighters to fight each other, no matter what belt, organization, or promoter may be an obstacle.

:bottle::bottle::bottle: did your momma drop you on ur head when you was a baby?? " Innocent until proven guilty " haven't u heard of that?? how can you prove him guilty ? he is running and hiding and duckin

as long as he wont take the tests to clear his name he's a roid user and a ducker. and has the most retarted fans in boxing history :bottle::bottle::bottle: did your momma drop you on ur head when you was a baby?? " Innocent until proven guilty " haven't u heard of that??

proof or :bryce::fing26: as long as he wont take the tests to clear his name he's a roid user and a ducker. and has the most retarted fans in boxing history

shut up pactard :D no one wants to see a fight where one fighter is on roids. proof or :bryce::fing26:

if only floyd use the standard nsac rules that he's been using in his last 40 fight this shouldn't be problem. all of you should blame floyd why this fight isn't happening. shut up pactard :D no one wants to see a fight where one fighter is on roids.

if only floyd use the standard nsac rules that he's been using in his last 40 fight this shouldn't be problem. all of you should blame floyd why this fight isn't happening.

What concessions did Floyd make? 147, 50:50 and 8oz gloves are not concessions before we start.

What did I miss ? Floyd seems to have exposed Manny and there is no other way to spin it. Floyd gave in to 14 days but it still seems Pac was the only loser in this whole dilemma. A lot of hardcore boxing fans lost respect for Pac including myself. what kind of hardcore?

riiiggghhhttt, so I'm going to walk away from $30 million on the table because of 'pride'? But I'm not too proud to ask Miguel Cotto to come down to 143 while putting his 147 belt on the line? Pride? Please. you think like that cuz maybe you are struggling to pay your bills Manny is rich already hahahahahhaaha

this really should be a non issue because Roach was qouted as saying all he need was a 5 day window and that would be fine..check the sig Floyd says 14 which should work because Roach wanted 5..therefore, take the 14 because it is 9 WHOLE DAYS MORE than what Roach was fine with. is that reasonable?? Floyd's the one who wanted to change the rules. End of story. There's nothing else that needs to be said. If I were a Money fan I'd admit to it. I don't see why others won't.

lol, they'd both be doing the same amount of testing, don't act like Pac's being singled out, Floyd would undergo the same testing protocol. Why does Pac need more than 3 weeks to recover from a blood draw of a single teaspoon? Olympians and other top athletes all around the world get tested up to the day of competition and they do fine. Some even set world records or personal bests. Why are you trying to single out Floyd when numerous other boxers have voiced their concerns about PEDs? Malignaggi, Cintron, etc. Even Juan Manuel Marquez has asked for Olympics style testing. All these guy, not just Floyd have concerns about a level playing field. Heck, even the general public, the media, are starting to become dubious. Yet, Manny refuses to answer these concerns. He's even willing to walk away from something like a $20-$40 million dollar payday because he refuses to answer those concerns. And it's simply out of 'pride'? I don't think so.

I totally agree. Pac is just as strong minded as Mayweather and won't give in - no matter how trivial the point. Does roids make your mind strong too , or maybe fear of being caught , Floyd gave in plenty dont you follow the whole thing from the start , Floyd was yes yes yes yes , Manny was no no no no and then walked on 14 days what a fuken duck that was .