THE SCENARIO that explains why RANDOM matters. PACQUIAO Fans [Closed your eyes

Shouts out to BOXINGFAN 30 for making this point. Point #1: Some PED's are ONLY detected via a blood test. Point #2: urine tests are absolutely useless in detecting Some PED's. So, STFU about Pacquiao agreeing to unlimited urine tests. They don't mean anything. Point #3: it takes anywhere from 12 hours to 48 hours (at most 72 hours) for discontinuing HGH,EPO,and Some PED use for it not to show up in blood tests. Point #4: Pacquiao stated that agreeing to 3 blood tests (when first signing the fight, then 30 days before, then immediately after the fight). He claimed that this is sufficient to prove he is clean. It is not. Imagine THE scenario PACQUIAO wants.... Jan-6 : Fight is signed / Press conference Jan-7 : Blood test done. Pacquiao tests clean. (obviously) Jan-8 : PED, injection Jan-9: PED injection Jan-10: PEDinjection Jan-11: PED injection Jan-12: PED injection Jan-13: PED injection Jan-14: PED injection Jan-15: PED injection Jan-16: PED injection Jan-17: PED injection Jan-18: PED injection Jan-19: PED injection Jan-20: PED injection Jan-21: PED injection Jan-22: PED injection Jan-23: PED injection Jan-24: PED injection Jan-25: PED injection Jan-26: PED injection Jan-27: PED injection Jan-28: PED injection Jan-29: PED injection Feb-1 : PED injection Feb-2 : PED injection Feb-3 : PED injection Feb-4 : PED injection Feb-5 : PED injection Feb-6 : PED injection Feb-7 : PED injection Feb-8 : PED injection Feb-9 : PED injection Feb-10 : off Feb-11 : off Feb-12 : off Feb-13 : off / BLOOD TEST DONE (Pacquiao tests clean) Feb-14: PED injection Feb-15: PED injection Feb-16: PED injection Feb-17: PED injection Feb-18: PED injection Feb-19: PED injection Feb-20: PED injection Feb-21: PED injection Feb-22: PED injection Feb-23: PED injection Feb-24: PED injection Feb-25: PED injection Feb-26: PED injection Feb-27: PED injection Feb-28: PED injection Jan-30: PED injection Jan-31: PED injection Mar-1 : PED injection Mar-2 : PED injection Mar-3 : PED injection Mar-4 : PED injection Mar-5 : PED injection Mar-6 : PED injection Mar-7 : PED injection Mar-8 : PED injection Mar-9 : PED injection Mar-10: off Mar-11: off Mar-12: off Mar-13: off FIGHT NIGHT / Blood test Done immediately after fight (Pacquiao tests clean) Without randomized blood tests, that would allow for 57 days of PED aided training. Pacquiao would be able to train harder, longer, more intense, and recover significantly quicker than any athlete without such chemical assistance. I know it is fashionable to hate on Floyd, but he is 100% right on this issue. Anyone who can't see that is being wilfully blind. Another point to take into consideration is the fact that baseball's Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, and even boxing Shane Mosely have never tested positive for any performance enhancer... because they knew the date in advance that they had to give blood tests. Every Olympics that I have watched since I was a kid, has had DOZENS of athletes in the news getting caught for performance enhancers. Why? Because the Olympics style testing method (randomized blood tests) is MUCH harder to beat. A question for Pacquiao fans: why would you even want your boy to win if you knew he had to cheat to win? Oh yeah, save these one liners * “just another Pacquiao hater” * “get off Floyd's nuts!” * “Bro, come on, you got too much time on your hands!” * “Bro, Pacquiao said that he would take a blood test immediately after the fight! That is enough to catch any performance enhancer!” * “If you ask me, you're just making excuses for the fact that Floyd is scared!”

Comments (20)

Why are people dodging my question? How does Epo, a stamina booster, help Manny (one of the best conditioned athletes in boxing) in his fight with Floyd? People keep mentioning EPO, but stamina will not be the deciding factor in this fight. Manny using EPO is about as ridiculous as Paul Williams deciding to use EPO. Both guys already have stamina that is above anyone they will face....so it's foolish for a fighter, that has never gassed out in any fight in his career, to start using.

16y ago

k1t3

I doubt a boxer of Pacquiao's stature would use illegal substance in arguably the biggest and most publicized fight in boxing history.

16y ago

Doctor_Tenma4618

Mosley RoidJones Toney Marion Jones Barry Bonds 50 cent Mary j Blige . . . . . PacquaiO????? naaaaw it don't make sense. he ain't african american.. :nonono: :nonono:

16y ago

Horus8731

Floyd is right. If you look at my past posts I have said Floyd is right in this matter. And, hopefully we get random blood and urine testing as a mandatory. And, if we get that we should thank Floyd. But, I can honestly see where Pac is coming from in this also. We are not in his shoes so we don't know what he is thinking or what/how he feels. If I was him and I was clean even though I seem I am guilty I might not take the random testing. I Can't say for sure I wouldn't or for sure I would because again I am not in his position. I think is easy to look from the outside in and say what he should do. But, I also think is unfair because we are not in that position. Like I said there is no right or wrong here IMO. Pac is only in the wrong if his using PED's IMO. But, if he is not and he is clean. I can understand where he is coming from. And, at the end I think they will fight. I think they will fight in September. I think the commission will get enough heat and make random blood/urine testing mandatory. And, we will get what we all want. The one thing I do know is... That IMO is wrong for people who strongly believe he is guilty. Because there will be nothing Pac could do that would change your mind. Because, Pac can take any test you want. But, if you strongly believe he is guilty without any proof. Then when he past all the test you will say is some untraceable shit. And, I think that is the only people who are wrong in this matter. Oh yea and also Bob Arum... Listen Good Post. I can also understand How Pacquiao pride might be effected by the recent allegations of him using PED's. As a result I can understand him wanting to fight back by refusing to submit to any test Mayweather suggest he takes. However, What I do not understand is his reasons for refusing the test. I do not understand his reason for sueing Mayweather but not Paulie,Cintron,Campbell. and countless others who accuse of him using PED'S. I do not understand throwing anyway 40 millions dollars because of a random drug test. This tells me 2 things. 1. He is dumb as hell and his pride is priceless 2. He is using PED's and doesnt want to fight mayweather withou them. Like I said before we do not have no evidence that he has taken PED's because he has never taken a test that could detect PED's When he had the chance to prove he was not on PED'S he deny the test with bogus explanations to find out if he was on PEDS. Once again I dont think he is on steroids. but PEDS i have my questions. simply because his refusal to take the test to that would detect PED's. So IMO, Pacquiao has done this to himself, Not Floyd,Not Me, and not others who now have questions about his career.

16y ago

cixthree

I'm not a drug expert but so far nobody's been caught in the Olympic cheating(due to blood testing). I think Pac already agreed to random testing (blood or urine) but not within 24 days before the fight.24 days huh... Did you happen to read the post? Dude put a really good schedule up. We dont need gaps if we are clean.

16y ago

cixthree

Floyd is right. If you look at my past posts I have said Floyd is right in this matter. And, hopefully we get random blood and urine testing as a mandatory. And, if we get that we should thank Floyd. But, I can honestly see where Pac is coming from in this also. We are not in his shoes so we don't know what he is thinking or what/how he feels. If I was him and I was clean even though I seem I am guilty I might not take the random testing. I Can't say for sure I wouldn't or for sure I would because again I am not in his position. I think is easy to look from the outside in and say what he should do. But, I also think is unfair because we are not in that position. Like I said there is no right or wrong here IMO. Pac is only in the wrong if his using PED's IMO. But, if he is not and he is clean. I can understand where he is coming from. And, at the end I think they will fight. I think they will fight in September. I think the commission will get enough heat and make random blood/urine testing mandatory. And, we will get what we all want. The one thing I do know is... That IMO is wrong for people who strongly believe he is guilty. Because there will be nothing Pac could do that would change your mind. Because, Pac can take any test you want. But, if you strongly believe he is guilty without any proof. Then when he past all the test you will say is some untraceable shit. And, I think that is the only people who are wrong in this matter. Oh yea and also Bob Arum... Not really dude, it's gonna be obvious. Manny is not gonna be the same when these rules come in play. Even his fans will see it, it's gonna be sad cause I do enjoy Pac fights. But what they are doing is wrong The way team Pac handled this, I dont think they had a plan B if the flood gates opened. I think they just thought they would get the Royal reach around so they failed to plan for the "FOUL PLAY" But if Pac is still around to HAVE to randomly test, you'll see

16y ago

MindBat

I think there's was no EPO NSAC tests on that time as Kizer stated in his interview but they already have it now and can now be detected. Though EPO was believed to be widely used in the 1990s in certain sports, there was no way to directly test for it until in 2000 when a test developed by scientists at the French national anti-doping laboratory (LNDD) and endorsed by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) was introduced to detect pharmaceutical EPO by distinguishing it from the nearly-identical natural hormone normally present in an athlete’s urine. In 2002, at the Winter Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, Don Catlin, MD, the founder and then-director of the UCLA Olympic Analytical Lab and now head of the Los Angeles-based nonprofit Anti-Doping Research, reported darbepoetin alfa, a form of erythropoietin, for the first time in sports. Since 2002, EPO tests done by U.S. sports authorities have consisted of only a urine or “direct” test. From 2000–2006, EPO tests at the Olympics were conducted on both blood and urine. Source

16y ago

Larrysbird

So do you think that they have gotten up to speed on all PEDs yet? Do you think there are some PEDs that can be better detected via blood? Do you think some PEDs made now can slip past the scheduled urine tests? Random, blood will give a cheater hell I'm not a drug expert but so far nobody's been caught in the Olympic cheating(due to blood testing). I think Pac already agreed to random testing (blood or urine) but not within 24 days before the fight.

16y ago

cixthree

nevada doesn't test for hgh. hgh is legal. war pacroid! :headbang:Thamk you, you're an honest man.... I honestly believe that Manny fans dont care, as long as he doesnt get caught...

16y ago

jrosales13

Listen, there is no reason in this era of sports. With the Understanding that performance enhancing drugs use is as rampant as it is. Should Pacquiao should have turned down a random drug test with Both Urine and Blood. TRUTH is I dont know what Pacquiao is on, but I do know the best way to find out is a RANDOM drug test with both Urine and Blood. My strong guess is EPO. but who knows with PED's Pacquiao Might have. So like it or not Floyd is 100% right on this issue. Floyd is right. If you look at my past posts I have said Floyd is right in this matter. And, hopefully we get random blood and urine testing as a mandatory. And, if we get that we should thank Floyd. But, I can honestly see where Pac is coming from in this also. We are not in his shoes so we don't know what he is thinking or what/how he feels. If I was him and I was clean even though I seem I am guilty I might not take the random testing. I Can't say for sure I wouldn't or for sure I would because again I am not in his position. I think is easy to look from the outside in and say what he should do. But, I also think is unfair because we are not in that position. Like I said there is no right or wrong here IMO. Pac is only in the wrong if his using PED's IMO. But, if he is not and he is clean. I can understand where he is coming from. And, at the end I think they will fight. I think they will fight in September. I think the commission will get enough heat and make random blood/urine testing mandatory. And, we will get what we all want. The one thing I do know is... That IMO is wrong for people who strongly believe he is guilty. Because there will be nothing Pac could do that would change your mind. Because, Pac can take any test you want. But, if you strongly believe he is guilty without any proof. Then when he past all the test you will say is some untraceable shit. And, I think that is the only people who are wrong in this matter. Oh yea and also Bob Arum...

16y ago

Horus8731

Again, I'll ask you the question... Where's the evidence that Pacquiao is using PED. Please don't show me a fight of Pacquiao kicking some asses. btw, we know PED is illegal everywhere. Once again we dont not have no evidence that he has taken PED's because he has never taken a test that could detect PED's When he had the chance to prove he was not on PED'S he deny the test with bogus explanations to find out if he was on PEDS. Once again I dont think he is on steroids. but PEDS i have my questions. simply because his refusal to take the test to that would detect PED's

16y ago

cixthree

I think there's was no EPO NSAC tests on that time as Kizer stated in his interview but they already have it now and can now be detected.So do you think that they have gotten up to speed on all PEDs yet? Do you think there are some PEDs that can be better detected via blood? Do you think some PEDs made now can slip past the scheduled urine tests? Random, blood will give a cheater hell

16y ago

Larrysbird

they start testing 2000, the oscar mosley fight was in 2003 I don't know about your reasons but Kizer said that when asked. In fact they caught Vargas according to the article.

16y ago

carts

lol wasting their time with this shit just sue NSAC hahahahaha

16y ago

sNiTcH

If Urine samples detects EPO, why did Shane Mosley test negative for EPO in the oscar rematch under NSAC Testing Which was fought in Las Vegas at the MGM Grand in 2003. After he admitted he used EPO for the oscar rematch to a grand jury!:?!: that was 2003 kid. we are on 2010. USADA even release an article that they can detect steriods using urine test in 2008. Please update yourself

16y ago

Horus8731

I think there's was no EPO NSAC tests on that time as Kizer stated in his interview but they already have it now and can now be detected. they start testing 2000, the oscar mosley fight was in 2003

16y ago

peykpeyk

What state is PED legal in?:?!: Again, I'll ask you the question... Where's the evidence that Pacquiao is using PED. Please don't show me a fight of Pacquiao kicking some asses. btw, we know PED is illegal everywhere.

16y ago

fugu

Yeah, it legal only in Nevada but in the other states it is illegal. Yes, we already know you're retarded... :lol1: So if it is illegal to spit on the ground in some states but legal where im at, am i breaking the law for spitting?

16y ago

fugu

you bitches can report me all you want IT's Still TRUE. Name me a single Pinoy or ASIAN who has history of using PED's and I'llname countless of Black Americans who does. How about the chinese swimming team structually cheating year after year? http://www.cbc.ca/sports/photoessay/top10-doping/index7.html

16y ago

cixthree

Is not from a source but it was common sense...Ok, so explain, I'd love to here how Shane didnt get popped for PEDs he admitted to taking in the Oscar fight... I'd love to here how NASC testing didnt catch it (Scheduled Urine tests, the best way to pick up PEDs) Fill me in Bro

16y ago