First of all I hope this is not a repost, but my searches turned up no results.
This is a question which I have been wondering about ever since Roger Mayweather stormed into the ring during their fight.
My understanding is that the rules are very clear: if a boxer's second enters the ring, that boxer is to be disqualified.
Why was Floyd an exception to this? Was it because he is Floyd Mayweather? (I quite frankly cannot think of any other reason).
Now I'm not suggesting that Floyd was in control of Rogers actions, but he is still accountable to the unified rules of boxing (well, theoretically he is at least).
So then, are there any rational answers for why Floyd was not disqualified for his cornerman entering the ring during a bout, whereas the rules would seem to unequivocally state that under such circumstances a boxer is to be disqualified?
This is a serious question.
lets not 4get judahs dad got in the ring aswell..so both wouldve had to be dq'd
I can honestly see a case for that as well, or a NC. But the way I see it, the strongest case is for Mayweather to have been DQ'd. Why? Because Roger entered the ring first, which provoked Yoel to enter, as most likely any trainer-father would do in such a circumstance. Based on a strict interpretation of the rules, it seems that upon Roger entering the ring the fight is over. Anything beyond that is basically secondary. You could also argue that Roger provoked the subsequent "riot" which ensued as well through his initial actions.
Of course, Zab's "posse" were evidently everybit as much shitbags as Roger Mayweather.
I would argue that a case such as this is not one in which the ref has such discretion. The way that I understand it, the rules are very clear, and when a fighter's corner enters the ring that fighter is disqualified.
And to say that the ref had control is one hell of a misnomer to say the least.
Edit: NC could arguably have been an option, but I see a much stronger case for DQ. The very instant that Roger entered the ring should've been the end of the fight imo (based on the rules).
One thing I have learned over the years watching boxing is that the ref pretty much always has discretion as he is the one who makes the final ruling. The board is there for appeals but not too many rulings get overtuned. I think that most refs handle situations on a case by case basis.
also, it would've been a shame to stop the fight because of Roger's ignent ass.
Judah was doing his share of cheating too.
I agree that it would have been a shame to stop the fight in such a fashion. That said, Roger had no business getting in the ring.
Who cares.. This is old news. Im sorry some of you want Floyd to lose that bad, but the reality is that he won that fight, and for any fighter to get dq'ed in the sitation of a blatant foul against him would be crazy.
It's a boxing forum, ergo a place to discuss boxing. Thus, such questions are fair game for debate. Now perhaps you should get the fukk out of my thread if you have nothing worthy to contribute.
Can you remember who the ref was ??? Didn,t tyson get dq for biting 2 times but he did get the warning after the first bite and then got dq after the second...
Richard Steele was the ref. Mills Lane was the ref for the Tyson-Holy affair.
He could have been DQed. I think the ref made the call based on the fact that there was a break in the action for the foul before Roger came in. He could have DQed him anyway. Or even a no contest since Zabs side made it into the ring as well. Good refs know when to take points and when to give warnings. A good ref also knows when to call a fight for a foul and when to regain control and allow it to continue.
I would argue that a case such as this is not one in which the ref has such discretion. The way that I understand it, the rules are very clear, and when a fighter's corner enters the ring that fighter is disqualified.
And to say that the ref had control is one hell of a misnomer to say the least.
Edit: NC could arguably have been an option, but I see a much stronger case for DQ. The very instant that Roger entered the ring should've been the end of the fight imo (based on the rules).
Can you remember who the ref was ??? Didn,t tyson get dq for biting 2 times but he did get the warning after the first bite and then got dq after the second...
He could have been DQed. I think the ref made the call based on the fact that there was a break in the action for the foul before Roger came in. He could have DQed him anyway. Or even a no contest since Zabs side made it into the ring as well. Good refs know when to take points and when to give warnings. A good ref also knows when to call a fight for a foul and when to regain control and allow it to continue.
Yes but those officials do not get consulted other than the doctors. We need action replays like in rugby for incidents.
I'm pretty sure that the refs have superiors at ringside who are available to be consulted in particular situations.
Certainly in the case of a fight of this magnitude, there would be superiors on the sideline. In reality, they probably did consult and decided to bend the rules.
They do have secondary officials, and there was plenty of time to deliberate and make a call.
Yes but those officials do not get consulted other than the doctors. We need action replays like in rugby for incidents.
he did and maybe was about to DQ Zab until the Roger Mayweather distraction....it was a whole clusterfuk, but who cares before the fouls it looked like Floyd was on his way to a TKO win anyway.
You really believe that he was about to DQ Zab until Roger stormed in and distracted him from his deliberation? This here is apologetics at its finest.
It is a good question indeed, but Ref's make mistakes.
There are plenty of times that a ref makes msitakes, but because they are hired by promoters, it's not always fair. That's why we ened a league.
Maybe because it was such a big fight that the ref could not do it and also it was kind fo hectic. They should have 2 secondary judges to help in the bakground like they do in football (soccer)
Also Zab was lucky.
They do have secondary officials, and there was plenty of time to deliberate and make a call.
It is a good question indeed, but Ref's make mistakes.
There are plenty of times that a ref makes msitakes, but because they are hired by promoters, it's not always fair. That's why we ened a league.
Maybe because it was such a big fight that the ref could not do it and also it was kind fo hectic. They should have 2 secondary judges to help in the bakground like they do in football (soccer)
Also Zab was lucky.
If anything Zab should have been DQ'd 1st for 2 blatantly intentional fouls.
That is up to the referee to call on the spot. A cornerman entering the ring however is not a judgment call, as is a foul.