PROOF Manny is JUICING!!!!!!

He refuses to test randomly. This argument is flawed of course but gold compared to anything Pactards have made up because it's actually true, Pacquiao turned down 30 million and tried to negotiate penalties and the chance to keep things quiet if he was caught. and here's my counter Proof that Manny is All natural...

Until there is factual proof, Pac is not juicing. He's making himself suspect, but we don't know for a fact.

It was all speculations not a proof. i pity them because they are so stupid that they believe what mayweather sr. says.

He refuses to test randomly. This argument is flawed of course but gold compared to anything Pactards have made up because it's actually true, Pacquiao turned down 30 million and tried to negotiate penalties and the chance to keep things quiet if he was caught. oh yea! thats irrefutable proof alright!

So i finished reading all 18 pages and still can't find the alleged "PROOF that Manny is JUICING!!!!!!" :nonono:

He refuses to test randomly. This argument is flawed of course but gold compared to anything Pactards have made up because it's actually true, Pacquiao turned down 30 million and tried to negotiate penalties and the chance to keep things quiet if he was caught. That is makes him suspect but it proves nothing.

I understand why fighters should be held to the highest standard possible. What I don't understand is why you put a question mark on your last sentence when it wasn't a question. If Pacquiao, a top athlete, is willing to submit to the standard that is held in boxing, which is the sport that is of topic, not Olympic figure skating or diving, that should suffice. If he chooses to go a little above and beyond that for the sake of compromise, that's on him. There is no precedent of this and I cannot imagine why anyone would make such a compromise to begin with. No one wants to be treated like a criminal when there is no basis for such. Once upon a time, there was no testing in any sport. Things change, just the way things are.

He refuses to test randomly. This argument is flawed of course but gold compared to anything Pactards have made up because it's actually true, Pacquiao turned down 30 million and tried to negotiate penalties and the chance to keep things quiet if he was caught. maybe the fact that the only time he has lost in 10 years came when he was forced to take two blood tests before morales 1 because of an error wich he said made him feel weak. floyd knows about this so he is insisting on random tests. he is doing a classic floyd move, gain an advantage over pac before the fight or an excuse to yet duck another great fight, and you guys follow his word like sheep.

Flomos are "moral crusading" hypocrites You try to justify maligning Pac as a cheater in the absence of ANY proof by saying it is for the good of the sport, but fail to call out Floyd for his DOCUMENTED use of ILLEGAL painkillers. In fact, you try to defend him by claiming it is not cheating. If you support the "moral" crusade to clean the sport, call on the state athletic commissions to implement changes in the testing procedure. Do not try to railroad and single out a particular champion who has a spotless record in drug tests. That just exposes your blind partisanship in this issue. And do not ever claim the moral high ground, because that only shows how much of disgusting HYPOCRITES you flomos are.

The same reason Pacquiao didnt ask for 10 million per pound for cotto, hatton, de lahoya, and others. To put it simply, to prevent Pacquiao of doing something he might do, or might be doing. and vice vesa. for Pacquiao to prevent Mayweather of doing something he might do. And Mayweather demand has actually put more focus on a key issue in boxing which is better drug test. and Morally, mayweather has the high ground. Mayweather has the moral high ground in this issue? His camp deliberately undermined the name of the world's most popular boxer who has NEVER tested positive in any drug test -- without any proof whatsoever -- and he has the moral high ground? And quit arguing your Mosley shit. We both know Mosley tested negative for particular PEDs at a time when the NSAC was not yet testing for them. It tests them for those now. For those who might be misled by this dipshit, look up the Keith Kizer interview on the Net to verify. This flomo is not just blind, he's deliberately misleading people to support an agenda to destroy Pac's character.

The same reason Pacquiao didnt ask for 10 million per pound for cotto, hatton, de lahoya, and others. To put it simply, to prevent Pacquiao of doing something he might do, or might be doing. and vice vesa. for Pacquiao to prevent Mayweather of doing something he might do. And Mayweather demand has actually put more focus on a key issue in boxing which is better drug test. and Morally, mayweather has the high ground. 1. Do you really think asking from Floyd for a penalty per pound may be logically equated with Pac failing to ask Cotto, ODLH and Hatton considering Floyd's previous fight with JMM? I mean Cotto, ODLH and Hatton did not have a history of coming in above the contracted weight? Are they really similarly situated? 2. Is the what you referred to as a "key issue" in boxing a new issue? In my opinion, the penalty for coming in above the contracted weight is a regular/ normal issue that is being negotiated by the parties..It has its precedents... Is the demand for a drug test whether in a regular manner i.e NSAC or USADA a regular/ normal subject of negotiations?

I agree, there should be a better drug test in boxing. But still Floyd's demands are unnecessary. Floyd need the fight more than Pac, so hopefully he can give up his unnecessary demands and give the fight fans want to see. If PBF is really in this crusade to bring the integrity of boxing to a new higher level, he should go first to NSAC to petition them in changing their rules and procedures on Anti-Doping requirements and not just mandate it on a negotiation as an addendum and use that issue as a leverage or as a bargaining chip.

The same reason Pacquiao didnt ask for 10 million per pound for cotto, hatton, de lahoya, and others. To put it simply, to prevent Pacquiao of doing something he might do, or might be doing. and vice vesa. for Pacquiao to prevent Mayweather of doing something he might do. And Mayweather demand has actually put more focus on a key issue in boxing which is better drug test. and Morally, mayweather has the high ground. I agree, there should be a better drug test in boxing. But still Floyd's demands are unnecessary. Floyd need the fight more than Pac, so hopefully he can give up his unnecessary demands and give the fight fans want to see.

The same reason Pacquiao didnt ask for 10 million per pound for cotto, hatton, de lahoya, and others. To put it simply, to prevent Pacquiao of doing something he might do, or might be doing. and vice vesa. for Pacquiao to prevent Mayweather of doing something he might do. And Mayweather demand has actually put more focus on a key issue in boxing which is better drug test. and Morally, mayweather has the high ground. The same reason Pacquiao didnt ask for 10 million per pound for cotto, hatton, de lahoya, and others. Now, that's semantics. Cotto, Hatton, ODLH and others did not exceed their agreed weight when they fought Pacman. Mayweather bullied his way to victory against JMM, who came up 2 weights division to face Mayweather. There was precedence already. Remember, Mayweather is a natural junior middleweight. And Mayweather demand has actually put more focus on a key issue in boxing which is better drug test. and Morally, mayweather has the high ground. Mayweather's intention to bring boxing integrity to a higher level is good but the motive is bad. Think of this. Apply the law to everyone, or don't apply it at all. Apply the more rigid testing like Boxing NGB requirements as covered by USADA/WADA to every professional boxing covered by NSAC, or don't apply it at all. You are like changing the rules in the middle of the game. I agree with you, it is more moral but masking it through the proposal of Mayweather is outright ridiculous knowing they all do it for the love of money.

He refuses to test randomly. This argument is flawed of course but gold compared to anything Pactards have made up because it's actually true, Pacquiao turned down 30 million and tried to negotiate penalties and the chance to keep things quiet if he was caught. Proof? :tool:

If Mayweather's intention is to really ensure that there is a fair fight, why then he did not require this kind of more stringent anti-doping test requirements when he fought Corrales, JMM, ODLH and even Hatton??? If you can answer that truthfully, then i will listen to your radio station day after day after day, but i guess your guess is just as good as mine. The same reason Pacquiao didnt ask for 10 million per pound for cotto, hatton, de lahoya, and others. To put it simply, to prevent Pacquiao of doing something he might do, or might be doing. and vice vesa. for Pacquiao to prevent Mayweather of doing something he might do. And Mayweather demand has actually put more focus on a key issue in boxing which is better drug test. and Morally, mayweather has the high ground.

But not blood retard. It will weaken him. That's unnecessary. what's your point?

And here we again, Pac already agreed to random urine test even from the get go. But not blood retard. It will weaken him.

thats why we need random test. To stop epo users like mosley And here we again, Pac already agreed to random urine test even from the get go.

go read what i wrote. Why sue Mayweather, and not Paulie? The Mayweathers were the one who opened up the pandora's box. Paulie might come soon if he will answer the same allegations if you will ask him right now. Why fight Paulie, and not Mayweather? It's all about economics. How can you ensure a bigger fight with the Mayweathers when they demanded something only santa claus can give? You have to study the history of the negotiations so that you can understand why it came to this point. First, after the fight with Miguel Cotto, everybody wanted a Pacman-Mayweather fight. Pacman did not called out Mayweather's name for his next fight and left it to Arum to decide which fighter Pacman would face next. At that point, Pacman and his team decided that the next fight would happen after May 2010. Preferably September 2010 or later. Next, the negotiation happened. Both parties agreed not to disclose anything to the public what transpired during the negotiation. There were five major points that both parties disagreed. 1st: Weight 2nd: Purse Split 3rd: Gloves 4th: Penalty for exceeding the agreed weight 5th: Date of the fight Never in the beginning of the negotiation where they demanded the rigid blood testings. What they agreed only is rigid testing in accordance to the requirements of the boxing commission who will cover it. During that time it was not yet determined which place will host the fight (dallas, new york, or las vegas). But what was mutually agreed was that both parties will submit to the requirements of anti-doping testings as required by the boxing commission which will cover the fight. Now, the main issue on the split purse came. It was settled at 50-50. Then, the date of the fight. First, Mayweather wanted the fight to be on 13th March. Surprisingly, contrary to the previous pronouncement of the Pacman team, Pacman agreed to fight on March 13, 2010 fresh from the Cotto fight last November 2009. Then came the boxing gloves and the penalty. When pacman team demanded that reyes puncher's gloves be used and that there would be 10 Million USD penalty for exceeding the agreed weight, the Mayweather team retaliated by demanding a more rigid anti-doping testings in accordance with USADA, not by the already agreed procedure per boxing commission's. There goes the deadlock. Pacman team rejected the demand of Mayweather team for a more stringent testings. Days after this deadlock news broke out, the Mayweather then announced that they would agree with the gloves to be used and the 10Million penalty "if pacman would agree with the testing that they wanted". So, if you trace it all back, Mayweather used that "blood testing" requirement to counter-demand from Pacman. It has nothing to do with ensuring a fair fight. Now, you answer this question. If Mayweather's intention is to really ensure that there is a fair fight, why then he did not require this kind of more stringent anti-doping test requirements when he fought Corrales, JMM, ODLH and even Hatton??? If you can answer that truthfully, then i will listen to your radio station day after day after day, but i guess your guess is just as good as mine.