Floyd should be commended for possibly making the sport cleaner!

Dr. Catlin holds more weight than Conte. Dr. Catlin is the godfather of anti doping testing. Conte is neither a chemist or scientist. Conte is Like a car salesman, he sell cars but he doesn't built them. Floyd demand are unnecessary. Random urine testing detects steroid and EPO. Only HGH are left undetected. HGH does little benefit. You have combine it with anabolic steroids do build muscles and repair tissues. But then steroids are detected in urine.

Blood testing has received a lot of attention because it is a new concept in the drug testing world. There is a blood test for EPO use, but it is only an indirect test that can be used as a screening measure to save money by determining whether the urine EPO test needs to be conducted. All the blood test does is tell the testers that the athlete has an unusual blood profile that warrants further investigation. The abnormal profile could be caused by the use of EPO, some other blood boosting drug, or just be explained by the athlete being a genetic freak or living at altitude. The testers then perform the urine EPO test to determine whether artificial EPO is the cause of the abnormality. The blood test does not have to be done in order for the athlete to test positive for EPO. -Dr. Don Catlin Former head of the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory, one of the top drug labs in the world, and he headed the drug testing lab at the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics. Dr. Caitlin is the same head of the UCLA lab that helped to expose the Balco doping scandal. Dr. Catlin, considered the most prominent anti-doping drug tester in the world. http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/Perso...rsonID=1850365 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=9248752 " the case of Mayweather vs. Pacquiao, it is asserted that urine based testing alone, as required by the Nevada Commission does not and can not detect all banned supplements. When asked his opinion, Victor Conte, former head of BALCO, and obvious expert on the subject has given his take on the blood test crisis, In my opinion, blood testing for the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight is more important for detecting possible blood doping or use of EPO than it is for human growth hormone"Traditional testing in boxing, its basically worthless other than the detection of some types of stimulant, before and after a fight.To just say, Ill be tested on this date, theres all sorts of things you can do with announced testing, you cant do with unannounced testing." Though Conte is a convicted steroid distributor his opinion on this topic certainly carries weight. " ------------Victor Conte I got this from other posters, can't remember from whom but mad props to them: If you read both articles, both experts are saying that abnormal level of EPO can be detected by blood test. The difference is, in Doc Catlin's article he explained that an ABNORMALY/ARTIFICIALLY INDUCED EPO can only be detected by URINE TEST. I'm sure if they asked that question to Conte they would get the proper answer.. And HGH as i gathered are mostly used by body builders, it helps in building mass muscles quicker than normal, BUT it doesn't help in any way in increasing an athletes speed and quickness, this drug even dampens it and makes the person slower..

His request of random blood and urine testing can possibly be introduced for good and as a must for every fighter, and it will help clean up the sport, NO DOUBT. This is a sport where humans hit each other and "EXTRA HELP" can become very devastating... plaster of paris, mixed up drinks and PED's must get the hell out of Boxing! :boxing: Which of those has Pacquiao done though? Does anyone have prior proof? Doctors? Physicians? Sparring partners? Also, how much did steroids help Fernando Vargas? :dunno: Ironically the majority of the people on this site don't know exactly what, how, and why a PED would help in a Boxing ring, but people will rely on "Steroids or PED's make you stronger thus making you a harder puncher". But is that proven to be factual?

LOL wow a lot of deaf, dumb and blind people on here... That's a very intelligent post!!! :booty::booty::booty:

His request of random blood and urine testing can possibly be introduced for good and as a must for every fighter, and it will help clean up the sport, NO DOUBT. This is a sport where humans hit each other and "EXTRA HELP" can become very devastating... plaster of paris, mixed up drinks and PED's must get the hell out of Boxing! :boxing: I agree. It must be done.

LOL wow a lot of deaf, dumb and blind people on here...

His request of random blood and urine testing can possibly be introduced for good and as a must for every fighter, and it will help clean up the sport, NO DOUBT. This is a sport where humans hit each other and "EXTRA HELP" can become very devastating... plaster of paris, mixed up drinks and PED's must get the hell out of Boxing! :boxing: WTF! Floyd do it for himself to gain mental and physical advantages over Pac. Watch for his next fight if dare to ask this Olympic style testing on his next opponent. If he wants to clean the sport he should start it first from him up to his family tree.

Yup. The problems in the other pro-sports don't nearly reach the issues in boxing. I guess you have never heard of this sport called basbeball.

flyboy ur arguments are are all myth's and slander.... my god let me ask u one question and one question only how will HGH benifit a boxer?urine tests are far more accurate at detecting ped's ask any doctor or if u were ever involved in professional sports u would know this....have u ever play any sport at a high level i doubt it with ur posts u seem to have a very limited knowledge....im a big fan of mayweather but have to be honest ive lost alot of respect for his camp this week they have crossed a line with these accusations... aqnd for those of you's who said this is mayweather's way out dont be ridiculas floyd wants this fight i think both camps are doing a great job of ruining this fight....its beyond a joke at this stage

this thread is a joke! no! the TS is a joke...

Don't be so naive about Paquiao's so- called aversion to RANDOM drug testing. This is just a pissing contest. He's just trying to show that he can't be bullied into submitting himself to Mayweather's whims and caprices. If NSAC will ask Pacquiao to do the Olympic Style Drug Testing, Pacman will do it in a hearbeat. OR if Floyd will agree to a 65-35 purse split in Pacman's favor. :) Wanna learn more about the issue? Go to www dot bb1970a dot blogspot dot com

His request of random blood and urine testing can possibly be introduced for good and as a must for every fighter, and it will help clean up the sport, NO DOUBT. This is a sport where humans hit each other and "EXTRA HELP" can become very devastating... plaster of paris, mixed up drinks and PED's must get the hell out of Boxing! :boxing: Good point. It should be done right after the fight.

Pacquiao started PROFESSIONALLY boxing at 16 years old. He was 106 at that weight. Floyd was 106 at that weight. Pacquiao is 140-147 at 30 years old. So was FLoyd when he hit 30. So does that make him on Steriods or PED???? What does Plaster have to do with Steriods??? and Pacquiao hasn't gotten Bulkier or none of that So how does that make him on Steriods?. In fact he looks more CUT at the lower weight and looks like he is healthier now. He was clearly weight drained the last couple of fights at 130. So just because he was faster then De La Hoya, Knocked out Hatton, and Took Cottos punches and punished him means he's on STERIODS Or PED?? lol I didn't know PED's numbs your body from punishment?? lol STUPID. If Taking Cotto's Punches really made you think he's on Steriods, i think you would have a better case saying he's on PCP then PED. And Floyd is scared. Thats the Bottem LINE. He retired to not fight Margarito, Cotto, Mosley, Williams, etc. then Came back and acted like he was the shit for beating a fat Marquez at WW. Now is trying to accuse pacquiao of something he has NO PROOF of because their is no PROOF. So he could get out of this fight and try to put the blame on pac Man. Pacquiao has agreed to give blood randomly if the NSAC approves it. SO i don't know where your getting at when you say he has Refused random testing. So ANYBODY with a BRAIN could see Mayweather is ducking Pacquiao. :headbang: Very well said man, and to add to that, the NSAC is doing this fight in close contact with USADA.. I don't know whats floyd's excuse now??

come on man, floyd was just trying to seek a way out of the fight! At the start when floyd insisted for an olympic style drug testing, manny's camp were more than willing and accepted the request in an instant. But then under that clause, manny has to submit himself to 7-8 random blood testing the entire training schedule, manny always does 8 weeks of training, so are they expecting manny to do the blood test every week during training? Wtf is that, a blood test every other week i think is more than enough already. Then team pac offered in the initial negotiation the 3days blood test with unlimited number of urine test. The problem is, the mayweathers along with gbp leaked that detail to the press and claimed it to be the final offer already from team pac, wtf is that, their in the middle of negotiations man, they should have just offered a counter proposal as simple as that!! These are clearly malicious insinuations hoping to get public sympathy and discredit manny as an atg fighter, why would they do that if floyd really wants to fight manny. And then just recently just to save the fight, manny already is willing to comply with the nsac rules and subject himself to random blood/urine testing, just as long its only the nsac who's doing it. But lo and behold, after hearing about this new turn of events, roger mayweather also recently made a statement that the nsac uses fake doctors as their staff. What the f****k is that now?!! Do the mayweathers really want this fight to happen, to me they are just a bunch of pussies!! very well said!!

1. Because if you look closely, it is very unusual for fighters to go up in weight and destroy bigger guys. Even ATG's Sugar Ray Robinson, and Sugar Ray Leanord, and Tommy Hearns did not do that. They outskilled their opponents and then took them out. Besides, the testing would be great way to clear Manny's name, wouldn't it? 2. NSAC is clearly not doing its job. Margarito got away with the plaster recently.... And no, they still cannot detect certain drugs such as HGH in urine. They are currently working on a urine test for it. HGH as of now can only be detected through blood samples and bone marrow samples. 3. Floyd is smart, very smart. He is doing the right thing by making Pac do the random testing. If you had a brain, you would understand it. Pacquiao started PROFESSIONALLY boxing at 16 years old. He was 106 at that weight. Floyd was 106 at that weight. Pacquiao is 140-147 at 30 years old. So was FLoyd when he hit 30. So does that make him on Steriods or PED???? What does Plaster have to do with Steriods??? and Pacquiao hasn't gotten Bulkier or none of that So how does that make him on Steriods?. In fact he looks more CUT at the lower weight and looks like he is healthier now. He was clearly weight drained the last couple of fights at 130. So just because he was faster then De La Hoya, Knocked out Hatton, and Took Cottos punches and punished him means he's on STERIODS Or PED?? lol I didn't know PED's numbs your body from punishment?? lol STUPID. If Taking Cotto's Punches really made you think he's on Steriods, i think you would have a better case saying he's on PCP then PED. And Floyd is scared. Thats the Bottem LINE. He retired to not fight Margarito, Cotto, Mosley, Williams, etc. then Came back and acted like he was the shit for beating a fat Marquez at WW. Now is trying to accuse pacquiao of something he has NO PROOF of because their is no PROOF. So he could get out of this fight and try to put the blame on pac Man. Pacquiao has agreed to give blood randomly if the NSAC approves it. SO i don't know where your getting at when you say he has Refused random testing. So ANYBODY with a BRAIN could see Mayweather is ducking Pacquiao. :headbang:

NO. TEAM PAC DID NOT AGREE WITH THE RANDOM TESTING. They laid out specific dates for the testing which defeats the purpose. TELL ME WHY PAC WANTS TO DO TESTING ON SPECIFIC DATES? WHY NOT ON RANDOM DATES TO SHUT EVERYONE UP? HE IS DEFINATELY ON SOME PED'S. Roger has only talked once or twice for this fight. I don't know why you keep on saying Roger. You are stating a proposal that was given by team pac at the start of negotiation, why didn't team floyd just made a counter proposal?! When they leaked those details out to the press the negotiation came to a complete stop, and why is that?! Because now team pac has to or forced to deal with the press and everybody who is somebody in boxing, and try to defend themselves. What is floyd's motivation in instigating chaos in the middle of negotiation?! You tell me that!!

His request of random blood and urine testing can possibly be introduced for good and as a must for every fighter, and it will help clean up the sport, NO DOUBT. This is a sport where humans hit each other and "EXTRA HELP" can become very devastating... plaster of paris, mixed up drinks and PED's must get the hell out of Boxing! :boxing: Urine tests are proven to be more accurate and more expensive than blood tests to detect any perf drugs or steroids. You can take urine tests even daily. So your point is borne out of lack of info

first off if you read his statement Pacquiao has agreed to any thing the NSAC wants and if they want random testing blood/urine, Pacquiao is agreeing with them 100%. So the only thing thats holding off the fight is Mayweather because Pacquiao is only letting the NSAC do his testing which is the way it should be. Why bring in somebody else who has never done testing before in professional boxing and when asked why your doing it you say you want a fair fight. Well why didn't Mayweather want Marquez to get blood testing the olympic testing way??? because he's scared of Pacquiao. Second off, Mosley and De La Hoya 2 was in 2003. PED and Steriod testing has changed so much since then. It's 2010 now and 7 years is a lot of time to make changes which they have and caught boxers cheating. and 3rd off If Mayweather wants the fight he should of just skipped all this extra testing and let the NSAC handle it. The fight would have been signed by now and we would have been seeing commercials of the fight. The weight penalty goes to both boxers and Pacquiao is just making sure Mayweather knows he has to be 147 or below that. So if Mayweather does come in overweight, he will be bitched slapped in his wallet. Mayweather might come in 148 or something and not come in the agreed weight like he did with Marquez but now he wont because he NEEDS the money. The difference in this fight is Mayweather NEEDS the money and Pacquiao doesn't. 1. Because if you look closely, it is very unusual for fighters to go up in weight and destroy bigger guys. Even ATG's Sugar Ray Robinson, and Sugar Ray Leanord, and Tommy Hearns did not do that. They outskilled their opponents and then took them out. Besides, the testing would be great way to clear Manny's name, wouldn't it? 2. NSAC is clearly not doing its job. Margarito got away with the plaster recently.... And no, they still cannot detect certain drugs such as HGH in urine. They are currently working on a urine test for it. HGH as of now can only be detected through blood samples and bone marrow samples. 3. Floyd is smart, very smart. He is doing the right thing by making Pac do the random testing. If you had a brain, you would understand it.

As i said, manny was/is willing to go through those RANDOM testing, team pac just doesn't want to do it so many times, it is ridiculous to go through the process every week during training. So they counter offered it with the 3days test instead, expecting also a couter proposal from team floyd and settle it somewhere in the middle, they are still in negotiation just to remind you. BUT team floyd made the unexpected instead, they jumped the gun and let the press and everybody who is into boxing know about that proposal from team pac, is that a sign of immaturity or not?!! And also to make everything clear, there was an article that the NSAC is planning to work on this fight in close collaboration with the USADA, the same agency that team floyd contacted for this fight. So why do roger still insist of not signing on for the fight, that you tell me!! NO. TEAM PAC DID NOT AGREE WITH THE RANDOM TESTING. They laid out specific dates for the testing which defeats the purpose. TELL ME WHY PAC WANTS TO DO TESTING ON SPECIFIC DATES? WHY NOT ON RANDOM DATES TO SHUT EVERYONE UP? HE IS DEFINATELY ON SOME PED'S. Roger has only talked once or twice for this fight. I don't know why you keep on saying Roger.

First bold statement: The tests must be random. If everyone on this board used common sense they would understand why RANDOM tests are important. I'll leave it at that. Please use your brain. Second bold statement: Pacquiao's legacy is in great doubt. To finish all these doubts, why does he not do the RANDOM TESTING and shut everyone up? NSAC is the commission that allowed Margarito's plaster of paris. NSAC is the commission that allowed Shane Mosley who was on PED's in the 2003 De La Hoya fight. Roger Mayweather might not be right when he says that NSAC uses "Fake" doctors but he sure is right because NSAC obviously is not the best in preventing PED use.... Floyd obviously wants the fight. He agreed to 8 oz. gloves. He agreed to the ridiculous $10 million per pound overweight penalty. He agreed to 147 lbs. He agreed to the 50-50 split. As i said, manny was/is willing to go through those RANDOM testing, team pac just doesn't want to do it so many times, it is ridiculous to go through the process every week during training. So they counter offered it with the 3days test instead, expecting also a couter proposal from team floyd and settle it somewhere in the middle, they are still in negotiation just to remind you. BUT team floyd made the unexpected instead, they jumped the gun and let the press and everybody who is into boxing know about that proposal from team pac, is that a sign of immaturity or not?!! And also to make everything clear, there was an article that the NSAC is planning to work on this fight in close collaboration with the USADA, the same agency that team floyd contacted for this fight. So why do roger still insist of not signing on for the fight, that you tell me!!