LMAO at those saying that PEDs made Manny's head and hands grow

And I'm talking about the ones who didn't. Like I said, if you think Mosley is the only one, that shows your lack of intelligence. Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire never got "caught" either. There was a formal investigation on Bonds and McGwire. Where is Manny's Mitchell report? Or should I say Crackhead Report? :no:

I was talking about the ones who did get caught. Try harder to stay on topic. The Mosley fight was six years ago. What else you got? And I'm talking about the ones who didn't. Like I said, if you think Mosley is the only one, that shows your lack of intelligence. Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire never got "caught" either.

Human Growth Hormone and Pro Athletes, Perfect Together March 4, 2007 by Sal Marinello Here is a list of reasons as to why HGH – right now – is the ideal drug for athletes. With the latest edition of the steroids in sport scandal that involves professional athletes from Major League Baseball, as well as other sports, people need to understand why these supplements are desirable to pro athletes. And you won’t get this kind of info if you depend on the mainstream media and sports news outlets… Body builders have enjoyed the benefits of human growth hormone, used in conjunction with a variety of other anabolic agents, for over 20 years but only in recent years have legit athletes started to catch on to this “better” kind of performance enhancing drugs. 1) HGH provides a potent anabolic effect; it builds muscle. Without turning this into a biochem lesson – especially since that’s way over my head – suffice to say that HGH increases the body’s ability to synthesize protein, and that this allows for muscle tissue to be built. HGH use produces the holy grail of all anabolic benefits, hyperplasia. Hyperplasia is the permanent increase in the amount of muscle cells. Over the years there have been many steroids that were alleged to result in creating new muscle cells, but HGH is the substance that actually delivers this incredible benefit. HGH also increases the size of existing muscle cells. So with HGH you have a situation where the size of existing muscle cells are increased AND a permanent creation of new muscle cells. So a person could go on a cycle of HGH therapy, which would create new muscle cells that remain after HGH therapy stops. The longer the person remains on this regimen the more new muscle cells will be produced. This person would then have more muscle than he did before the therapy and reap all of the performance benefits that come with increased muscle even after the end of therapy. Additionally, HGH has a positive strengthening affect on connective tissues such as ligaments, tendons and cartilage and at an accelerated rate. Old injuries will heal and these tissues will be strengthened which can potentially minimize future injuries as well. There is no doubt that human growth hormone therapy is being used in conjunction with the surgery and rehab of professional athletes, which has had the effect of getting athletes back on the field quicker than ever. These connective tissue benefits make HGH much more attractive than the use of old school steroids, as steroids only positively affect muscle tissue, while having a negative effect on connective tissue. 2) HGH provides metabolic benefits such as helping the body burn more fat than usual, and serves as a protein-sparing agent as well. HGH administration triggers the release of fatty acids from fat stores and the body winds up burning more fat than carbohydrates to meet energy requirements. This is why athletes on HGH can have extremely low levels of body fat while maintaining extremely high levels of muscle mass. Without drugs, there is a kind of equilibrium between body fat and muscle mass. If body fat is too low a person’s muscle mass will decrease as well. HGH also has an anti-catabolic effect (protein sparing), which means that muscle protein isn’t broken down during periods of intense exercise or in the case of calorie restriction. This anti-catabolic effect means that athletes can recovery quicker from competition and training. 3) HGH is legal and can be acquired and administered by a physician, and as a result, the intelligent athlete can use medical privacy regulations to avoid the spotlight. The dose at which HGH is effective is small, which minimizes risk and – in most cases – allows the physician to avoid breaking any laws or breaching any ethical standards. Additionally, due to the stresses of professional sports there is a very good chance that most – if not all athletes – would test for low hormonal levels during their season. This means HGH can be administered in order to normalize an athlete’s levels. This kind of therapeutic dose can provide enormous benefits to an athlete during their season. This is an important distinction to make. If an athlete does test for low HGH levels – which most would or could – this is a case of using HGH as it is intended and not abusing it. There are doctors all across the country that are openly practicing this kind of medicine. One could argue that these doctors are incorrect in their uses of HGH, but this argument doesn’t seem to hold any more weight than the counter argument that there are no appropriate “off-label” uses of HGH. These are the major reasons as to why HGH is so popular among athletes. There are other reasons as well, but this is enough for now. And it is worth noting that testosterone when used in similarly appropriate doses, in conjunction with HGH is an extremely potent supplement cocktail from which all athletes would benefit greatly. Remember, this isn’t an effort to rationalize or justify the use of HGH and testosterone. I am simply recognizing and pointing out reasons why athletes – or anybody who works out for that matter – would find these substances so desirable. What I will say is that when you understand what these drugs can do for athletes, and understand the nature of risks involved with playing professional sports – especially football – the case can be made that some supplementation may be appropriate and even necessary. Let me ask you this, who's bigger between PAC and PBF? considering at 16 they were both 106. Who have more likeness of a juiced body? PAC or PBF? How long did PBF retired? one or two years? From fighting Hatton to JMM, did his body change or not? Did he got bigger?! And how long does PED be on the system for it to be still detected? Ill give you a timeline for you to analyze. PBF vs JMM - happened on 9-19-09 PAC vs Cotto - 11-14-09 From JMM to now, PBF havent been tested for 3 months, plus the one yr of retirement which when he came back he got bigger all of sudden. From Cotto to now, his fight was just a month ago. Answer the question how long does PED stay on the body to be still detectable? Its not a surprise PBF is so confident, that why he wants a olympic style testing. Its not very hard to get, what PBF is trying to do.

Seems to me that your only focused on this response, maybe because my other is too damning to the point or this one is shorter..lol wait let's check out your friend shall we, it seems they're skipping my post. Then he should have no problems taking Random blood tests within 5 days of the fight. :boxing: Even the olympic style testing that Mayweather is insinuating is not even doing that, it's not even their standard procedure. That's why the test is not the problem but the harassment they're doing to a champion. wow look how dry morales looked in the rematch, he wouldnt let morales come in at a catch weight but makes cotto and de la hoya do it... godamn cheater. It was the division of Morales, wtf are you talking about? He tried to moved up to lighweight before the Pac vs Morales 2 and got defeated by Raheem so he doesn't fit there. You have pretty poor arguments that you've skipped some of my quotes. i dont believe that one bit! his calves became huge because of the steroids tho! Have you even researched Pacquiao's past, heck, he was a poor boy, hence he had to work hard, everyday, walk kilometers away just to sell bread and do some physical stuff just trying to make a living for his family. Why do I know that? Well I live were Manny lived. If you're going to accuse someone better get some proof to back it up and not do a Mayweather Sr. stance "he's on to something" coz you'll just look like a fool.

Yeah, is there any real proof that the shit makes your head bigger? Yes, its a common side effect of HGH. Human Growth Hormone. The bones in your skull don't finish fusing until your 30s so if you take HGH before then, your skull will start to grow bigger.

The rematch -- including the weight the it was to be fought at -- was already set long before the fight happened. so was the olympic style testing..but that didnt stop Pac from changing his mind.

You're given a valid argument and that's how you reply, makes me think that we're talking to kids. It took you that long to realize that? Most of the replies are google images or random youtube clips. :bottle:

I dont know but I would rather take a head butt from Hoya, Cotto or Morales than to take one from Pac.:nana: You're given a valid argument and that's how you reply, makes me think that we're talking to kids.

human growth hormone and pro athletes, perfect together march 4, 2007 by sal marinello here is a list of reasons as to why hgh – right now – is the ideal drug for athletes. With the latest edition of the steroids in sport scandal that involves professional athletes from major league baseball, as well as other sports, people need to understand why these supplements are desirable to pro athletes. And you won’t get this kind of info if you depend on the mainstream media and sports news outlets… body builders have enjoyed the benefits of human growth hormone, used in conjunction with a variety of other anabolic agents, for over 20 years but only in recent years have legit athletes started to catch on to this “better” kind of performance enhancing drugs. 1) hgh provides a potent anabolic effect; it builds muscle. Without turning this into a biochem lesson – especially since that’s way over my head – suffice to say that hgh increases the body’s ability to synthesize protein, and that this allows for muscle tissue to be built. Hgh use produces the holy grail of all anabolic benefits, hyperplasia. Hyperplasia is the permanent increase in the amount of muscle cells. Over the years there have been many steroids that were alleged to result in creating new muscle cells, but hgh is the substance that actually delivers this incredible benefit. Hgh also increases the size of existing muscle cells. So with hgh you have a situation where the size of existing muscle cells are increased and a permanent creation of new muscle cells. So a person could go on a cycle of hgh therapy, which would create new muscle cells that remain after hgh therapy stops. The longer the person remains on this regimen the more new muscle cells will be produced. This person would then have more muscle than he did before the therapy and reap all of the performance benefits that come with increased muscle even after the end of therapy. Additionally, hgh has a positive strengthening affect on connective tissues such as ligaments, tendons and cartilage and at an accelerated rate. Old injuries will heal and these tissues will be strengthened which can potentially minimize future injuries as well. There is no doubt that human growth hormone therapy is being used in conjunction with the surgery and rehab of professional athletes, which has had the effect of getting athletes back on the field quicker than ever. These connective tissue benefits make hgh much more attractive than the use of old school steroids, as steroids only positively affect muscle tissue, while having a negative effect on connective tissue. 2) hgh provides metabolic benefits such as helping the body burn more fat than usual, and serves as a protein-sparing agent as well. Hgh administration triggers the release of fatty acids from fat stores and the body winds up burning more fat than carbohydrates to meet energy requirements. This is why athletes on hgh can have extremely low levels of body fat while maintaining extremely high levels of muscle mass. Without drugs, there is a kind of equilibrium between body fat and muscle mass. If body fat is too low a person’s muscle mass will decrease as well. Hgh also has an anti-catabolic effect (protein sparing), which means that muscle protein isn’t broken down during periods of intense exercise or in the case of calorie restriction. This anti-catabolic effect means that athletes can recovery quicker from competition and training. 3) hgh is legal and can be acquired and administered by a physician, and as a result, the intelligent athlete can use medical privacy regulations to avoid the spotlight. The dose at which hgh is effective is small, which minimizes risk and – in most cases – allows the physician to avoid breaking any laws or breaching any ethical standards. Additionally, due to the stresses of professional sports there is a very good chance that most – if not all athletes – would test for low hormonal levels during their season. This means hgh can be administered in order to normalize an athlete’s levels. This kind of therapeutic dose can provide enormous benefits to an athlete during their season. This is an important distinction to make. If an athlete does test for low hgh levels – which most would or could – this is a case of using hgh as it is intended and not abusing it. There are doctors all across the country that are openly practicing this kind of medicine. One could argue that these doctors are incorrect in their uses of hgh, but this argument doesn’t seem to hold any more weight than the counter argument that there are no appropriate “off-label” uses of hgh. These are the major reasons as to why hgh is so popular among athletes. There are other reasons as well, but this is enough for now. And it is worth noting that testosterone when used in similarly appropriate doses, in conjunction with hgh is an extremely potent supplement cocktail from which all athletes would benefit greatly. Remember, this isn’t an effort to rationalize or justify the use of hgh and testosterone. I am simply recognizing and pointing out reasons why athletes – or anybody who works out for that matter – would find these substances so desirable. What i will say is that when you understand what these drugs can do for athletes, and understand the nature of risks involved with playing professional sports – especially football – the case can be made that some supplementation may be appropriate and even necessary. nsac nsac nsac nsac nsac

Well todays your lucky day. HGH.... "Many athletes have taken to using HGH for its claimed muscle building and stamina increasing properties." "The most common side effect of the excess use of HGH is acromegaly. This is a medical condition that begins with the overgrowth of facial bone and connective tissue, leading to a changed appearance due to protruding jaw and eyebrow bones. This condition also leads to an abnormal growth of the hands , head and feet." :wave: END this thread now!

ouch again!:banghead::oops: nsac nsac nsac!!

Pre-fight picture at the press conference VS weigh-in Pic. The weigh-in Pic, his head is STILL LARGER. Oh, and with no hair showing, LOL 2008 http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Oscar+de+la+Hoya+v+Manny+Pacquiao+Weigh+777OxtFjoXjl.jpg 2009 I'm wondering how Pacquiao remainds upright. Looks like the size of his head would cause the average man to fall over. More stupidity. Look at the angle of the pic. Manny's body is side-on, making the focus his head with no real comparison to his body. Compare his head to Oscar's, plus consider he has more hair than Oscar. It looks normal. These comparison pics are a waste of everybody's time because the subject is so ridiculous, but look at more images from the same weigh-in: http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/3913/57310581475a7bb49e4d6b2xw0.jpg http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Oscar+de+la+Hoya+v+Manny+Pacquiao+Weigh+Fsq_kWlvjO9l.jpg http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Oscar+de+la+Hoya+v+Manny+Pacquiao+Weigh+TcFn8AQcCXYl.jpg Nothing unusual at all. Let's stop with this bullshit already. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

True, just shows how easy it is to cycle them when you know when the test is. you guys would not know he used steroid, because of how terrible he look against Oscar. My point is, if a boxer used steroid, its not guarantee he will be an ATG. And if you think steroid or HGH can a help a boxer, could you tell me how?

My goodness..How can Pacfans not see that shit.... Dont worry his cheating days are numbered The Mayweathers aint having that shit..and neither is Arum. My goodness, to make an argument based on picture without looking at the distance, the angle, time difference and the circumstances when it was taken is pretty lame. Comparing pics from weigh in and press conference, lol.

My goodness..How can Pacfans not see that shit.... Dont worry his cheating days are numbered The Mayweathers aint having that shit..and neither is Arum. go to NSAC and cry to them flomo hahahaha

wow look how dry morales looked in the rematch, he wouldnt let morales come in at a catch weight but makes cotto and de la hoya do it... godamn cheater. It was the division of Morales, wtf are you talking about? He tried to moved up to lighweight before the Pac vs Morales 2 and got defeated by Raheem so he doesn't fit there. You have pretty poor arguments that you've skipped some of my quotes. i dont believe that one bit! his calves became huge because of the steroids tho! Have you even researched Pacquiao's past, heck, he was a poor boy, hence he had to work hard, everyday, walk kilometers away just to sell bread and do some physical stuff just trying to make a living for his family. Why do I know that? Well I live were Manny lived. If you're going to accuse someone better get some proof to back it up and not do a Mayweather Sr. stance "he's on to something" coz you'll just look like a fool.

The thread starter avoided my post. Hahhahahahaha ur post doesnt prove anything idiot:bottle:

wow look how dry morales looked in the rematch, he wouldnt let morales come in at a catch weight but makes cotto and de la hoya do it... godamn cheater. Now you're being stupid and ignorant on purpose. :lol1: The rematch -- including the weight the it was to be fought at -- was already set long before the fight happened. Oscar demanded 147. Pacquiao came up from a single fight at 135 for that. Cotto suggested 145, and he had this to say: Pre-fight: "Its no concern of mine whether it is 145 pounds or not," Cotto said. "That is the usual weight that we cut down to for the weigh in, and in the ring—on fight night—I will go up eight to 10 pounds, so actually during the fight I will weigh around 155," stated Cotto. Post fight: "I felt really good at that weight. It wasn't a problem for me." You really need to try harder. That's if you're even serious. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

Why you avoiding the ESPN BREAKING NEWS THREAD? I don't see it. Post a link.

They don't get caught all the time. Ever heard of Shane Mosley?And if you think he's the only one, that speaks for itself. I was talking about the ones who did get caught. Try harder to stay on topic. The Mosley fight was six years ago. What else you got?