Serious question for Rabid Pac fans on this forum....

Originally Posted by mr warbux Of Pacland With the current drug fiasco overtaking every other boxing story for the past few days, I felt it time to truly set the record straight. Here are a few facts I've compiled that ought to serve as a basis to end all arguments on the subject: * The only PED that can be claimed definitively to show up in blood and not urine is HGH. Thus far, the USADA, WADA and similar drug screening organizations have had a 0% detection rate - meaning either nobody tested has used HGH, or the test for it is ostensibly flawed. * Contrary to what PED expert Victor Conte would have you believe, there is a urine test for EPO, and it's actually better than the blood test. In fact, urine testing is better than blood testing for almost all substances. Marion Jones took EPO and other PEDs (designed by Conte himself) and never tested positive for anything in a blood test, but did have a urine sample test positive for EPO. The International Cycling Union uses urinalysis to test cyclists for EPO. * Fernando Vargas was caught by the NSAC's urine testing using some of the same PEDs that Marion Jones used while avoiding detection by the WADA. The NSAC uses the WADA's list of prohibited substances for their drug screening and tests for all of the same things. I hope this information can shed some light as to the true motivation behind a particular request by a group of people who no longer require mentioning. Sources: http://www.antidopingresearch.org/BeyondSportsDopingHeadlines.pdf http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/04/sports/baseball/04drugs.html?_r=1&ref=baseball http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/trackandfield/news/story?id=2576909 http://jittdl.physics.iupui.edu/jitt/sampler/biology/bio_archive/goodfor7.html "http://www.boxing talk.com/pag/article.php?aid=18983" Got this from another forum For some reason the boxing talk link is being censored, I mean the word "boxing talk" with no space, that's why the last link could not be loaded, just remove the space in the last link.

I think part of it is because superstitions. A big part of it is that Manny knows he isn't on anything and he's saying **** you to Floyd. Those are my exact thoughts.

Paulie just wants a payday. Nothing wrong with that..... Paulie has nothing to lose.

I think there should be an option for -Does'nt follow or agree to mayweathers demand Wat da f^K is this thread??? why should pac just agree to mayweather's demand? why does mayweather now demanded this drug test and not when he fought with marquez? the bottom line here is.... why should we talk about drug test here? who started all of this.... i think you know that answer already... if so... then when you believe that :crackhead who started all of this... then i'm guessing you' do have more brain damage than that crackhead sr. trusting the crackhead's accusation without any proof rather than trusting the medical experts of NSAC what a stupid piece of HORSE shit! :crackhead I had to read that about 15 times to make any sense of it. Sure YOU aren't the one on crack? That's an awful piece of writing. That option is covered under "Rage at Mayweather " as an option. Maybe you should learn to read. Pac didn't have to do anything. He just made himself look guilty by acting this way. He's been mentally owned and his fans are raging out of control. Just like you.

Proof? TMZ doesn't count! My take on it is very simple: Top Rank wants the leverage in negotiations. That's the point of negotiations. People on here act like theyve Never seen boxing negotiations before. Pacquiao and Top Rank isn't gonna do something, simply because Mayweather and GBP demands it. This isn't 07/08. Pacquiao is currently the biggest name in the sport. Proof? Uh well how about my friend that was down in Mexico for his cousins wedding. Pac was supposed to be there but didn't show cause he was too busy banging whores. LOL.

Okay so it seems like I've upset some of you and you've been sending out "red karma". I can assure you that this upsets me to no end and I am crying right now about it and I'm sure I will not be able to sleep until my e-cool-o-meter is green again with you guys. I'm just wondering though, which story do you accept from Pac and Roach. I'd really like to get this one straight so I know which story to believe and what we are talking about here: -Afraid of needles but loves tattoos -Superstitious -Afraid of blood drainage and being weak -A **** you to Floyd (rage at being asked to blood test) -Afraid that Floyd will tamper the testing/evidence somehow through a testing consparacy -Afraid to fight Floyd Feel free to explain your pick. I think there should be an option for -Does'nt follow or agree to mayweathers demand Wat da f^K is this thread??? why should pac just agree to mayweather's demand? why does mayweather now demanded this drug test and not when he fought with marquez? the bottom line here is.... why should we talk about drug test here? who started all of this.... i think you know that answer already... if so... then when you believe that :crackhead who started all of this... then i'm guessing you' do have more brain damage than that crackhead sr. trusting the crackhead's accusation without any proof rather than trusting the medical experts of NSAC what a stupid piece of HORSE shit! :crackhead

http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/140434-1/yousad.jpg I mean do you have anything useful to contribute? Unlike your pac fanboyism I'm not a Floyd fanboy. He's done a lot of stupid things. I like both fighters, just don't understand pac's reasoning or position here.

all lead cenobites threads are ever about is hate he has so little boxing knowledge its all he can do is spew hatred constantly,im surprised it has taken this long for him too be in the red,hes just a sad idiot Also I find the poll responses really interesting.

all lead cenobites threads are ever about is hate he has so little boxing knowledge its all he can do is spew hatred constantly,im surprised it has taken this long for him too be in the red,hes just a sad idiot Yeah okay. Want to test my knowledge. Always awesome to be called out by some nationalistic retard that has never been in the ring before. But keep following me around, it's amusing.

all lead cenobites threads are ever about is hate he has so little boxing knowledge its all he can do is spew hatred constantly,im surprised it has taken this long for him too be in the red,hes just a sad idiot

I guess you could call me a Pac fan after seeing the Cotto fight but Im by no means a pac worshipper or anything. The way I see it is that Pacquiao is pissed that all these accusations are coming at him even though there is pretty much no substance to the allegations of steroid use and is all based on speculation. Im not 100% on the situation but am i right in thinking Pacman agreed to olympic style testing proprosed by mayweather, but doesnt want the random tests which could possibly be conducted days before the fight? Also I think I read somewhere that Pacman was willing to give Urine tests any day leading up to the fight, its just the random blood tests he doesnt? Do you think his reaction is reasonable?

I guess you could call me a Pac fan after seeing the Cotto fight but Im by no means a pac worshipper or anything. The way I see it is that Pacquiao is pissed that all these accusations are coming at him even though there is pretty much no substance to the allegations of steroid use and is all based on speculation. Im not 100% on the situation but am i right in thinking Pacman agreed to olympic style testing proprosed by mayweather, but doesnt want the random tests which could possibly be conducted days before the fight? Also I think I read somewhere that Pacman was willing to give Urine tests any day leading up to the fight, its just the random blood tests he doesnt?

Wouldn't you be offended if you worked hard, knocking people out, rising to the top of the P4P ladder and all of a sudden some buttsore idiot with the intelligence of a walnut claimed that you only did so because of steroids? I would be pissed as hell, yet I can only pity the simple masses parroting a crackheads accusations as if they "knew" it all along. The saddest part is that they still provide absolutely no concrete evidence whatsoever. If I were Manny Pacquiao I would say "**** you, Floyd Gayweather. You said you could beat me easily, but now I gotta do some unprecedented shit just to land a fight with your boring ass? GTFO I'm fighting that gay looking Italian motherfckr instead" Just my take on the whole situation. So you are mad. You have the option of beating the shit out of him via minor inconvenience to you (blood test). Or you can cry like a bitch and take the bitch option of a libel lawsuit. So.....what do you do?

If Paulie just wants a payday what does Floyd "Money" Mayweather want? Floyd wants to be in show business :)

Why is floyd demanding some unheard of shit against pac?? why can't he fight pac like he fought all of his other 40 opponents?? floyd will be KO if he does.

Paulie just wants a payday. Nothing wrong with that..... If Paulie just wants a payday what does Floyd "Money" Mayweather want?

Yeah, but at least the Gay looking Italian motherfckr isn't afraid to get in the ring and won't ask for some unheard of shit. Paulie just wants a payday. Nothing wrong with that.....

you mean the same gay looking Italian motherfcker who ALSO accused Pac of being on the juice? LOLOL Yeah, but at least the Gay looking Italian motherfckr isn't afraid to get in the ring and won't ask for some unheard of shit.

Wouldn't you be offended if you worked hard, knocking people out, rising to the top of the P4P ladder and all of a sudden some buttsore idiot with the intelligence of a walnut claimed that you only did so because of steroids? I would be pissed as hell, yet I can only pity the simple masses parroting a crackheads accusations as if they "knew" it all along. The saddest part is that they still provide absolutely no concrete evidence whatsoever. If I were Manny Pacquiao I would say "**** you, Floyd Gayweather. You said you could beat me easily, but now I gotta do some unprecedented shit just to land a fight with your boring ass? GTFO I'm fighting that gay looking Italian motherfckr instead" Just my take on the whole situation. you mean the same gay looking Italian motherfcker who ALSO accused Pac of being on the juice? LOLOL

I think part of it is because superstitions. A big part of it is that Manny knows he isn't on anything and he's saying **** you to Floyd.