If Manny has been taking Roids/HGH will this reduce his legacy?

I didnt know Tyson dropped that low. I dont think he used when he was with his catskills team but after that its anyones guess. I mean if you are prepared to taking unnecessary anti depression medication, cocaine and bite peoples ears off, what is stopping you from using? Exactly. Especially when so many people are in your ear, living off of you, etc. Most of the top athletes get offered PEDs all the time. If you know you can beat the test, why WOULDN'T you?

Just my opinion. Actually, not just mine but I'll take a stand right here and say that's my belief. Vitali was kicked off his Olympic team for using and now I'm supposed to believe two physical behemoths with PHD's in sports med don't use? Yeah right. Listen, I'm of the opinion most of the top guys are using and the whispers are the same. Manny is just unfortunate to be on top right now so most of it is aimed his way. But when he wasn't, guess who were the obvious ones? It's rampant and the heavyweight division is no different. How does Mike Tyson come out of jail weighing 182lbs and build himself back up like that? Jameel McCline? Did you see him against Arreola? He weighed the exact same as always except he forgot his popeye's spinach and it showed. I didnt know Tyson dropped that low. I dont think he used when he was with his catskills team but after that its anyones guess. I mean if you are prepared to taking unnecessary anti depression medication, cocaine and bite peoples ears off, what is stopping you from using?

What makes you say that? Just my opinion. Actually, not just mine but I'll take a stand right here and say that's my belief. Vitali was kicked off his Olympic team for using and now I'm supposed to believe two physical behemoths with PHD's in sports med don't use? Yeah right. Listen, I'm of the opinion most of the top guys are using and the whispers are the same. Manny is just unfortunate to be on top right now so most of it is aimed his way. But when he wasn't, guess who were the obvious ones? It's rampant and the heavyweight division is no different. How does Mike Tyson come out of jail weighing 182lbs and build himself back up like that? Jameel McCline? Did you see him against Arreola? He weighed the exact same as always except he forgot his popeye's spinach and it showed.

No it won't. It didn't ruin Evander Holyfield's. Or Shane Mosley. Vitali Klitscho and Wlad who - and I could care less what people say - are CLEAR users and the rest who no one gives two sh*ts about. What makes you say that?

Reduce? One person comes to mind. Margarito. Margarito was hailed as the biggest star after the Cotto win. Margarito was caught cheating (regardless of method; wraps or PEDs) and now his legacy is in jeapordy, if not already lost. I truly hope we don't lose another star. IF there is something he is hiding...I can agree with the people that say this is a big blow for the sport, as well as the fighters whom pac has fought.

No it won't. It didn't ruin Evander Holyfield's. Or Shane Mosley. Vitali Klitscho and Wlad who - and I could care less what people say - are CLEAR users and the rest who no one gives two sh*ts about.

Off course it will, but im sure he will agree to these tests and all this will blow over.

Ofc it will.

On the contrary, TS. If Manny hypothetically is juicing, then of course his legacy will be elevated, not reduced. Isn't it obvious? :stupid: No TS. The general public loves hgh and steroids. The asterik marks by baseball players represents how awsome the record is. I'm sure people will be happy and it won't be frowned upon. +1 :lol1:

Roy Jones took steroids? don't think so. Your just a casual fan, what do you know? the same thing can be said to you tho, your just a casual fan. what do you know?

Mosley, Toney, Jones and other athletes caught for using PED's will be praised for many of their accomplishments. It may not ruin their accomplishments, BUT... Their names will ALWAYS be attached to cheating the system with illegal performance enhancers. The question is: Is that bad or good?

i would burn my pacquiao memoribilia.. im a proud filipino and i support my countrymen, but i can not stand by cheating

Yes it will.

Lets say hypothetically that Manny has been taking enhancement drugs. We dont know how long for, just that he is positive to them say before the Flloyd fight. Enhancement drugs can greatly improve muscle growth, fitness and possibly more important bxing attributes. So if he is positive, will this affect his legacy?? If he has been on enhancement drugs that could explain a bit. Will all his previous impressive records be tarnished? If he is positive, does he deserve the respect he currently gets? I stopped reading after you used the word "hypothetically" then you write "We dont know how long for" but no it wouldnt, I for one think some people should use the roids because as a boxing fan theres nothing more I hate then even competition they should be allowed to kick/low blow/rabbit punch and use a weapon also

If people claims Shane and Roy as one of the ATGs, I dont think why PAC should be treated any different? Roy Jones took steroids? don't think so. Your just a casual fan, what do you know?

Steroid are usually excreted in urine so it will show up urine no matter what. PAC was tested 10 times and nothing was ever found. EPO and HGH will not show up urine but on blood test. PAC already agreed to a blodd test up to 48 hours before the fight and right after the fight. So that should be enough. There has been a lot of things that people said about HGH and all those Internet sites that sell them that are miscontrued like how HGH heals injury faster and makes you stronger. But no athletes has been caught because the reality is it does very little other than build a muscle mass.

i just think any boxer taking enhancement drugs should be disregarded as a great boxer. Its plain cheating. Sure you have to have natural talent but i still think it should significantly affect their legacy Baseball is more worse imo, and A-ROD the biggest star in baseball admitted he used PED in his career. Too bad Barry's situation didnt go as well. But the fans still cheer him A-ROD on like nothing happen. Boxing is diff tho, many other intangibles is on the play. It doesnt mean you took PED, you automatically beat all your opponents. Imo performance enhancers is part of boxing, everybody taken it, in some way or the other but not all enhancers is illegal mind you. Its just wrong to single out PAC with this olympic style testing, when everybody is using something just as the same. Just because one person is so scared to lose. Thats why the boxing way of testing boxers, still didnt chance from the old yrs, because imo they already accept it as a natural thing. Many things comes to play in a boxing match, not just speed, power, timing. Its the skills that will make you a victor, and PED cant give you skills. Just my humble opinion.

i just think any boxer taking enhancement drugs should be disregarded as a great boxer. Its plain cheating. Sure you have to have natural talent but i still think it should significantly affect their legacy

If people claims Shane and Roy as one of the ATGs, I dont think why PAC should be treated any different?