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IMO the best thing he can do is put the pressure on Floyd from the opening bell and don't stop until one of them is on the ground. Ricky Hatton did that to Floyd, andit was pretty effective for a little while until Floyd got used to it. Oh, and Manny is a million times better than Hatton. I think Manny's best chance of winning is by a relatively early KO. The longer the fight goes on, the bigger Mayweather's advantage will get.

I think Pac being easy to hit will work in Floyds favor..because when hes fighting a guy around his size..he lets his hands go.... How will Pac deal with Foyds offense..the jab to the body...left up top...right hand lead...how will Pac handle Floyds fast, accurate punches. Floyd cant win this fight just pot shotting. His output has to be higher than his average and effective as well. If Pac can get over that mental freeze after floyd tags him a bit, Floyd will have to work hard

Am glad people are getting tired of stuff like that too, I dont mind having fun but this fight doesnt need stuffs like that, You would notice threads like this doesnt go past 4 or 5 pages. Yeah, it's a shame, some good posts in this thread.

Thanks. Yeah, I'm tired of that too which is why I don't talk about this fight much at all, not the easiest thing to be in a good discussion about the fight in NSB. Am glad people are getting tired of stuff like that too, I dont mind having fun but this fight doesnt need stuffs like that, You would notice threads like this doesnt go past 4 or 5 pages.

This may be odd, but what excites me most about this fight is seeing how Pacquiao will deal with Floyd's shoulder roll defense. Was Judah the last fight that Floyd fought who could provide different angles? Lmao, Shoulder rolling a fast Southpaw would be career suicide for Mayweather and sure he wouldnt even attempt it unless Pacquiao switch stance like Morales did against Pac in the first fight.

Dont be sorry. Tired of people posting "Pacquiao will win because Floyd is gay" or "Floyd will win because he's the GOAT" Thanks. Yeah, I'm tired of that too which is why I don't talk about this fight much at all, not the easiest thing to be in a good discussion about the fight in NSB.

This fu.cking thread is a joke. Just passing by.

This may be odd, but what excites me most about this fight is seeing how Pacquiao will deal with Floyd's shoulder roll defense. Was Judah the last fight that Floyd fought who could provide different angles? I think if Mayweather knows what's good for him he'll keep the shoulder roll to a minimum in this one. Not only is it less effective against southpaws but he'd be more or less handing Pacquiao rounds on a plate.

And sorry for making this one long ass post. Dont be sorry. Tired of people posting "Pacquiao will win because Floyd is gay" or "Floyd will win because he's the GOAT"

This may be odd, but what excites me most about this fight is seeing how Pacquiao will deal with Floyd's shoulder roll defense. Was Judah the last fight that Floyd fought who could provide different angles?

I think Pacquiao has to use his jab, not the type of flicking jab that he likes to throw, those would get counterd and picked off by Mayweather but the type of jab that he threw at the end of one of the rounds against Cotto. A stiff, ramrod jab right into Mayweather's chest, not to the head because Mayweather is really good at picking off jabs to the head, either by blocking and parrying with his hand or by moving his head. So Pacquiao should aim for the chest with his jab. I had never seen anyone throw Cotto off balance the way Pacquiao did with his jab, that was a revelation to me, it showed that Pacquiao has a very powerful jab but that he prefers to flick it to set up his other shots more than shoot it out. For this fight, he'll have to shoot it out. He needs to use this jab to get closer to Mayweather, to back Mayweather up and throw him off, if Mayweather manages to get into his rhythm it will probably be a long night for Pacquiao. He also needs to use his footwork to create angles and get closer to Mayweather, he needs to be able to cut off the ring but he has to be careful not to lunge in or go wild, his feet must always be under him, keeping his feet under him while moving is one of the things that has become much better with him lately but if he lunges, Mayweather would counter him or get out of the way. Contrary to popular belief I think Pacquiao is best served fighting at mid range, not all the way and not all the way out, on the inside Mayweather can use his elbows and upperbody to maneuver Pacquiao around a little. I know that Cotto and Hatton weren't able to do it but Mayweather does it in different ways than Cotto and Hatton, he's more subtle with it, doesn't rely on only his strength to move people around. Obviously all the way out means that Pacquiao will be at the end of Mayweather's reach which wouldn't be good for him at all. Mid range I think is best for Pacquiao, it's where he can create angles with his footwork, where he would be able to dip and pivot the way that he likes and where he can get the best leverage on his shots while Mayweather can't get the most on his. Once he gets into mid range he has to work to the body and head but smartly and with angles, move to Mayweather's left, throw a few shots, move to his right, keep Mayweather guessing, don't just swarm over Mayweather. Like I said in another thread, swarming Mayweather just wouldn't work, he'd counter you all night. One thing that works to Pacquiao's advantage is that Mayweather's shoulder roll doesn't work as well against southpaws, there are angles there for southpaws to land. One more thing about Mayweather's defense, I believe his defense has a lot to do with muscle memory, what I mean is that it's drilled into him where the punches will come from, from orthodox and southpaw fighters but those drills are for more textbook punches which he can anticipate and roll/block/parry and counter. But Pacquiao doesn't throw textbook shots, he throws shots from all angles which will benefit him. Almost every opponent that Pacquiao has fought say they just aren't able to see the shots coming. Mayweather when asked has always said that Emanuel Augustus was his toughest fight, what Augustus and Pacquiao have in common is that they both throw shots from some really weird angles, Augustus got through Mayweather's defenses more than anyone else I believe. Pacquiao will have to make Mayweather uncomfortable, make him work when he doesn't want to work, make him move when he doesn't want to move. Pacquiao will also have to use head movement and keep his hands up. Feints should serve Pacquiao well also, feint that he'll throw a punch and get Mayweather out of position when Mayweather looks to counter, once Mayweather is out of position, blast him. There will also be moments where Pacquiao can turn counterpuncher, when Mayweather leaps in with his hooks and right hands, he can make Mayweather miss and make him pay, he's fast enough to do that. Anyways, he'll basically have to fight a perfect fight and I might have missed something when typing this out. I believe that Pacquiao is one of the ones capable of putting all this together but at the end of the day I'm still picking Mayweather to win. And sorry for making this one long ass post.

If Floyds uses movement early Pac has to try to close distance and throw punches even if they dont land. I dunno, I think this would be suicide and, actually, I do think it'll be a notable factor in why Mayweather does win in the end. A lot of times Pacquiao opponents are too static or are coming forward so his flurries find a home, but when he's got someone moving backwards he falls short a little too often, and having already fully committed to the flurry he leaves his head wide open. We've seen this exploited in the past and I've not seen anything in his last four fights that suggests he's corrected this tendency. I do agree with your assessment in principal though. Mayweather's gonna try to nick a couple of the early rounds with his jab but I don't think that'll be too difficult for Pacquiao to overcome as long as he's prepared for it.

I think the shorter the fight is, the better for Pac. I'm not totally counting Pac out of this fight. But over about 8-9 rounds, I see Mayweather finding home with a bunch of shots and making Manny miss frustrating him. I think inside of about 5 rounds, Manny has to make his move and try to get PBF out of the there. (easier said than done of course because of Mayweather's defense and counter punching ability) He doesn't have to load up for one big shot, but the first 5 rounds must be tough rounds for Manny in that he MUST tag Floyd with combinations. The biggest key to Manny winning this fight is If he gets Floyd hurt, he must capitalize and stop Floyd. The guys that hurt Floyd with the cleanest shots have been southpaws (Corley, Judah). Now, those guys are not Manny of course, but I bring that up based on the fact that they were southpaws. If Manny lands a big left hand like Chop Chop did, he has to finish the work because if he allows Floyd to stay around, he might have a hard time catching him with something else big. concerning Manny, I believe these are ALL legitimate questions to ask... Can Manny make the necessary adjustments if their game plan does not work? If his big shots don't find home, will Manny get discouraged? Once Manny realizes that Floyd is hard to hit, will he stay calm? Southpaws have found home with clean shots against Floyd, but will Manny do what the others couldn't do and that is capitalize after landing a clean shot?

I think Pac has to be busy early and bank rounds. The more the better for him. He has to win the feel out rounds. If Floyds uses movement early Pac has to try to close distance and throw punches even if they dont land. Being busy may have people score rounds for him. If Floyd is behind early then he will be forced to push the action and that plays more into Pacs hands. Now Pac being aggessive early can be dangerous because it will set up oppertunities for him to get tagged. He has to deal with that and still throw punches in bunches to take the rounds. The sacafice early may be worth th investment.

Okay, Manny needs to be manny...Throw a lot with bad intentions but he also have to be ready for PBF stamina-wise, If manny throws the way he did against cotto from different angles with speed and high energy then he has a better chance of landing from the southpaw stance that Mayweather struggles against sooo much. He needs to avoid getting clinch also because Mayweather loves to take advantage of that and manny could do that by not getting too close to PBF, Watch out for the elbows and make sure he lets the referee know about the use of the elbows that Mayweather love to use to push opponents off. And thing is he needs to make sure that he doesnt miss too much when he throw because not only would Mayweather take advantage of that but you get tired out when you punch thin air.

Floyd has been dragged into fights before. I think it's integral for Pac to go to Mayweather's body early and often. We know he has the power to take some wind out of Floyd and the body is a more reliable target than his head. I do wish Pacquiao would develop a bit more diversity in his body work though - maybe Roach will work on that going in to the fight. I think what's most important for Pacquiao, though, is to make Mayweather look ineffective. We all know Pacquiao is going to outwork Floyd and be the aggressor, which is very helpful when going to the cards anyway, but it could be undone due to Mayweather's counter punches looking and being so much more effective than Pacquiao's flurries and combination punching. The solution to this would be to get his hands up quicker... Pacquiao's static upperbody when on the approach/retreat from an attack and tendency to leave his head wide open has been a concern of mine for a long time, and it could definitely be his undoing against someone with the reflexes, speed and accuracy of Mayweather. He needs to rectify this desperately, which could force Mayweather to engage more once he realises his single punches aren't going to win him the rounds. Basically I think he just has to do what he does best and look to overwhelm Mayweather with his unrelenting whirlwind offense, but maybe just put his mind before his instincts this time and iron out some technical flaws and bad habbits. Mayweather won't be able to keep as dynamic an opponent as Pacquiao at arm's length all night so Pacquiao will get opportunities to land; he just has to make sure he's dishing out more than he's recieving.

They both just need to be the best versions of themselves. Pac needs to be wily, throw clever shots from strange angles, keep busy. Floyd needs to be sharp and catch Pac coming in then get out of the way. Let Pac move forward, Floyd can keep on the back leg. If they both come ready to do what they both naturally do this could be a Leonard v. Duran. It could also be a really, really boring fight.

Floyds not coming to fight..Hes coming to pot shot and move man..... Whenever "Pac tries to fight" Hell be clinched and take some inside punches from Floyd.... "Whenever Floyd uses his potshot style...it isnt a fair fight and hes immpossible to beat" Jim Lampley Floyd is going to circle him and keep him on the outside with jabs..lead rights (that wont miss) and leaping lefts...when Pac does FINALLY get close..hell be clinched...refs seperate...rinse....repeat. Yep, and to me it's magic in the happening. It will decide the best fighter of a generation. I can't WAIT.

Floyds not coming to fight..Hes coming to pot shot and move man..... Whenever "Pac tries to fight" Hell be clinched and take some inside punches from Floyd.... "Whenever Floyd uses his potshot style...it isnt a fair fight and hes immpossible to beat" Jim Lampley BUURRNEERRRR! *shakes head with a smile and crosses arms*

What do you guys feel Pac's game plan should be against Mayweather? What can he do to win this fight? Here's what I think he could do.. He can't do shit. On the other hand Mayweather just needs to be in shape to win. Don't expect to see the same Pacquiao either. The blows Pacquiao has taken throughout his career will make up for the difference in age.