like hatton and cotto, whom people said had lost their everything during their first loses.
pac was koed twice and badly beaten by Morales too before they fought him.
did those loses took anything away from him??
Pacquias Losses did have an effect on. He has not really been in a fight since where hes been forced to show it. Oscar,Hatton Cotto,Diaz were all averge or shot figters when they fought him. He will be fighting a prime Mayweather. In this fight you will see the true Pacquia. If he is great then you guys have nothing to worry about. If he is not then you will be very sad come march 13th. Mayweather is the cream of the crop. He is boxing!! I , unlike many of you, know and study boxing, over 35 years now, and counting. I have watched Pacmans fights since the beginning including his pro debut on American soil. He has proved to be a tuff blood and guts fighter, no question about that. He has also showed a lack of defense which is more inportant than offense. Any fool can be taught to throw a punch, but only a true boxer can master defense, for you jr's that means Blocking,slipping,rolling, bobbing,weaving. THIS IS WHY PACMAN LOOSSES AND MAWEATHER WINS!!
A Pacquiao-Mayweather fight will never happen in the next 3 or 4 years, or while there are still someone out there willing to pay Mouthweather for his endorsement. That's the only reason why he has a lot of excuses fighting fighters who have a good chance of beating him like Mosley & Cotto, and his old folks (Mouthweather, Sr) knows it, too. Now if you really know boxing as you claim it, you should know this, too.
like hatton and cotto, whom people said had lost their everything during their first loses.
pac was koed twice and badly beaten by Morales too before they fought him.
did those loses took anything away from him??
good question. here's my take on it.
the reason why pac wasn't affected by his losses is because he received those loses at an early age and before he made a name for himself. if you take a look at the boxers who got "ruined" by their first loss (e.g. cotto and hatton), they received their loss when they already had a big name and had everything to lose.
when pac lost, he had nothing to lose at that point so it didn't weigh heavily on his mind. when he lost to morales in the first fight, he was still just testing the waters at the elite level so it was still easy to swallow a loss. and by winning the rematches, pac kept his will and confidence to take on more challenges.
and also, pac is just mentally tough. a rough background will do that to you.
like hatton and cotto, whom people said had lost their everything during their first loses.
pac was koed twice and badly beaten by Morales too before they fought him.
did those loses took anything away from him??
Saying someone is shot after a lost is a way to discredit a fighter win...
And mostly Floyd fans been saying this..
Alot of great ATG fighters have loses...
Pacquias Losses did have an effect on. He has not really been in a fight since where hes been forced to show it. Oscar,Hatton Cotto,Diaz were all averge or shot figters when they fought him. He will be fighting a prime Mayweather. In this fight you will see the true Pacquia. If he is great then you guys have nothing to worry about. If he is not then you will be very sad come march 13th. Mayweather is the cream of the crop. He is boxing!! I , unlike many of you, know and study boxing, over 35 years now, and counting. I have watched Pacmans fights since the beginning including his pro debut on American soil. He has proved to be a tuff blood and guts fighter, no question about that. He has also showed a lack of defense which is more inportant than offense. Any fool can be taught to throw a punch, but only a true boxer can master defense, for you jr's that means Blocking,slipping,rolling, bobbing,weaving. THIS IS WHY PACMAN LOOSSES AND MAWEATHER WINS!!
wow lol...looks like this post didn't only catch MY attention lol...people like this are casual boxing fans, i'm assuming...don't know much about the sport
please, keep a good distance and use your "jab" champion bro lol...cuz u clearly don't know much about ur talking about...
Pacquias Losses did have an effect on. He has not really been in a fight since where hes been forced to show it. Oscar,Hatton Cotto,Diaz were all averge or shot figters when they fought him. He will be fighting a prime Mayweather. In this fight you will see the true Pacquia. If he is great then you guys have nothing to worry about. If he is not then you will be very sad come march 13th. Mayweather is the cream of the crop. He is boxing!! I , unlike many of you, know and study boxing, over 35 years now, and counting. I have watched Pacmans fights since the beginning including his pro debut on American soil. He has proved to be a tuff blood and guts fighter, no question about that. He has also showed a lack of defense which is more inportant than offense. Any fool can be taught to throw a punch, but only a true boxer can master defense, for you jr's that means Blocking,slipping,rolling, bobbing,weaving. THIS IS WHY PACMAN LOOSSES AND MAWEATHER WINS!!
as much as i love watching a guy with tremendous defense like mayweather, that is completely false as to what boxing is all about...
now u talk about being a long time fan, but do u recall the name willie pep?? lol i'm sure u do...even moderate boxing fans can remember that name...anyways, that guy was the true defensive master (and yeah he was in a different time, but that's like saying kobe is better than jordan lol...)..now this dude, mr. pep, wouldn't throw a punch in some rounds AND WIN IT!!! he would simply do this to show his superior boxing ability...it was truly remarkable and no one will ever come to that kind of great defense, but mayweather is pretty damn close lol
sorry lol, lemme get back to topic....now defense IS NOT what boxing is all about...plain and simple...u ask any boxing historian or boxer, and they will tell you that they have the better respect for a guy with a great chin, one who can take a punch and throw one...fighters who get knocked down, get up and knock the other guy out, that's what a boxing classic is all about!!! a boxer who can defy all odds, overcome them, and win...
regardless, if pacquiao wins or loses, u cannot take away what this little fighter has done...your talking about a guy who reached his 7th title, by "standing in the damn pocket with a dangerous fighter, taking his shots, and dishing them out right back!!" lol...roy jones was pot shotting against john ruiz, ray leonard hit and ran (and flurried and the final seconds to steal rounds lol) against hagler, and mayweather pot shotted against de la hoya...now don't get me wrong those fighters are pound for pound fighters of all time...but please do not, by any circumstances, discredit pacquiao by any means...
people saying whoever wins needs to go in the history books (no doubt)...but BOTH fighters are definitely deserving to be ranked in the ATG list
Pacquias Losses did have an effect on. He has not really been in a fight since where hes been forced to show it. Oscar,Hatton Cotto,Diaz were all averge or shot figters when they fought him. He will be fighting a prime Mayweather. In this fight you will see the true Pacquia. If he is great then you guys have nothing to worry about. If he is not then you will be very sad come march 13th. Mayweather is the cream of the crop. He is boxing!! I , unlike many of you, know and study boxing, over 35 years now, and counting. I have watched Pacmans fights since the beginning including his pro debut on American soil. He has proved to be a tuff blood and guts fighter, no question about that. He has also showed a lack of defense which is more inportant than offense. Any fool can be taught to throw a punch, but only a true boxer can master defense, for you jr's that means Blocking,slipping,rolling, bobbing,weaving. THIS IS WHY PACMAN LOOSSES AND MAWEATHER WINS!!
Oh man. See what 35 years of studying boxing has taught you? No self control.
You have a tendency to (probably) threaten anyone who says otherwise about your FMWJr. with Jihad-like fervor. :killyou:
Cool it.
but what people don't know are that those 2 knockout loses were from body shots...
Only once KO'd by body shot. I keep trying to clear up the confusion. However, quite a few people think there was a low blow involved in one of the KO's. It's still somewhat of a mystery. But anyway, one was a definite body shot KO, the other was not, as far as I'm concerned.
Pacquiao was massively drained for the Singsurat fight though. I think that's why he was knocked out. No way does he lose to the likes of Medgoen Singsurat otherwise.
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He fought three fights after Pacquiao, his last fight actually was against Amir Khan.
Barrera was clearly looking to survive in the late rounds of that fight and Manny took his foot off the gas. I didn't see it as "Pacquiao is losing it" at all.
Whatever it was, it was a wide UD. I guess people are just shocked because Pacquiao didn't KO somebody for a change.
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i think he held back that fight....correct me if im wrong but isnt that barerra's goodbye fight?
Pac explained how he didnt want to beat someone who's retiring that badly , and he had a lot of respect for barerra.
he didn't really hold back.
barrera just fought to survive.
hard to ko someone who is just in there doing that.
look at the last few rounds of pac-cotto.
that's a simple question many people don't know much about because they either only watch the "big time fights" (those people are hype beasts lol) or they don't know much about past or present prime time fighters...
now his first 2 loses were knockout loses (like mayweather likes to brag about lol), but what people don't know are that those 2 knockout loses were from body shots...and those fights he has said that he was starving and the reason he was fighting was to just get some money for him and his family to eat (true fighters story, gotta love it)...
and as most people know, he lost his 3rd match against the great and legendary eric morales...morales out jabbed him and pacquiao still brought the fight to him, but was clearly beaten (no doubt about it)....from that fight on, coach roach has persistently worked on manny's right and it's become a devastating weapon in boxing today...
in boxing, u have got to have a short term memory and the reason is because you need to forget about your mistakes and move on and get better...and pacquiao, wow lol...this guy just keeps impressing even some big time boxing fans on what he's able to do
even during some of his unfortunate times, pacquiao never makes any excuses and u gotta love a fighter like that...
i think he held back that fight....correct me if im wrong but isnt that barerra's goodbye fight?
Pac explained how he didnt want to beat someone who's retiring that badly , and he had a lot of respect for barerra.
He fought three fights after Pacquiao, his last fight actually was against Amir Khan.
Barrera was clearly looking to survive in the late rounds of that fight and Manny took his foot off the gas. I didn't see it as "Pacquiao is losing it" at all.
like hatton and cotto, whom people said had lost their everything during their first loses.
pac was koed twice and badly beaten by Morales too before they fought him.
did those loses took anything away from him??
Well it worked for him so far...it was good motivation.
:boxing::boxing::boxing:
like hatton and cotto, whom people said had lost their everything during their first loses.
pac was koed twice and badly beaten by Morales too before they fought him.
did those loses took anything away from him??
No, because most of those losses came early on in his career. Even when he lost to Morales the 1st time, you can see how he adjusted and was much more aggressive the 2nd time around, and since then he hasn't stopped.
Some people don't adjust well to losing as where some actually become better after a loss. But of course, Manny is on steroids :rofl:
Pacquias Losses did have an effect on. He has not really been in a fight since where hes been forced to show it. Oscar,Hatton Cotto,Diaz were all averge or shot figters when they fought him. He will be fighting a prime Mayweather. In this fight you will see the true Pacquia. If he is great then you guys have nothing to worry about. If he is not then you will be very sad come march 13th. Mayweather is the cream of the crop. He is boxing!! I , unlike many of you, know and study boxing, over 35 years now, and counting. I have watched Pacmans fights since the beginning including his pro debut on American soil. He has proved to be a tuff blood and guts fighter, no question about that. He has also showed a lack of defense which is more inportant than offense. Any fool can be taught to throw a punch, but only a true boxer can master defense, for you jr's that means Blocking,slipping,rolling, bobbing,weaving. THIS IS WHY PACMAN LOOSSES AND MAWEATHER WINS!!
trying to defend your leader (who has nothing to do with this thread) you missed the point of the thread.
Pacquias Losses did have an effect on. He has not really been in a fight since where hes been forced to show it. Oscar,Hatton Cotto,Diaz were all averge or shot figters when they fought him. He will be fighting a prime Mayweather. In this fight you will see the true Pacquia. If he is great then you guys have nothing to worry about. If he is not then you will be very sad come march 13th. Mayweather is the cream of the crop. He is boxing!! I , unlike many of you, know and study boxing, over 35 years now, and counting. I have watched Pacmans fights since the beginning including his pro debut on American soil. He has proved to be a tuff blood and guts fighter, no question about that. He has also showed a lack of defense which is more inportant than offense. Any fool can be taught to throw a punch, but only a true boxer can master defense, for you jr's that means Blocking,slipping,rolling, bobbing,weaving. THIS IS WHY PACMAN LOOSSES AND MAWEATHER WINS!!
Dude, really? He has learned from his losses, considering he went on to beat the sh** out of Marco Antonio Barrera after two KO losses and has not lost since Erik Morales beat him after that. What do you mean he hasn't been in a fight where he has had to show anything since his last loss?
Crap, I just fell for the troll.
for someone who has been watching for 35 years, its weird you can't even spell pacquiao's name right....
that shouldn't come as a surprise. he couldn't even spell his idol's last name right!
They did affect him. Pac let his losses have a positive affect on him, he has taken whatever adversity he has faced in his career and learned from it, some fighters don't. Hatton was too far along in his career and too limited as a fighter to learn much from his losses, and we'll see with Cotto, if he takes a break and gets his mind right he can come back just fine.
Because his first two losses occured in the Phillipines when he was still very raw. With Roach, he avenged his loss to Morales and won the trilogy, not to mention he continues to face the top names and continues to win in impressive fashion.
Losses don't really matter in boxing, it's all about the performance and how a fighter bounces back from a loss. All the all-time greats aside from Maricano have a blemished record.