So what went down on here with Williams-Martinez?

one guy got knocked down dipshit that immediately makes the round 10-9 FOR Williams but since martinez actually won the whole round it should be 9-9 its a 10 point must system...

Martinez won by atleast 3 points

I can only imagine the uproar with both the decision and the ridiculous scoring. :shk1: Me, I had it a draw at 113-113 (the first round being 9-8 to Williams), but could've accepted either man winning by a razor-thin margin. Anything more than 114-112 is bullshit, though - and indeed we saw such bullshit. First-time viewing... W || 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 || 113 M || 8 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 9 || 113 I trust most sane folks had that opening round 9-8 to either Williams or Martinez, right? Fuck scoring it 10-9 or 10-10. That's just lazy. One man was better in that round, but suffered a KD himself - hence, you've 9-8. That's how it should be. Actually, scoring any round 10-10 just because it's close is lazy. You pick a winner based on something, or at least eeny-meeny it. All in all a horrendous year for boxing in terms of scoring, but nonetheless we got a great war out of it. Despite the sloppiness, I'd say it's a potential FOTY candidate, surely? 7-5 for martinez.williams got beat up.he wasnt talkin all that shit he likes to talk after the fight about how nobody wants to fight him.when asked if he wanted a rematch,he was extremely diplomatic.dude sounded like a harvard proffessor

Well there is your problem. Did you just watch the fight, look at the fighters faces at the end and give a score based on the swelling/blood on each of them? This appears to be what you have done based on your posts. No I scored it round by round being I was generous to Williams gave him most of the rounds that were close. You just don't want to admit that Martinez won it was clear as day, he by far landed the harder punches and beat Williams in every which way. If you think Williams won you are just being a deluded fanboy.

I had it 114 - 114 but I could see it going either way by razor thin decision. PWill was out boxed through most of the fight he simply outworked Sergio to win rounds. I'd love to see a rematch and see if PWill would have more time to practice his defense against lead right hooks since it seemed like he had a lot trouble seeing them coming through the first six rounds and see if Sergio Martinez tries to hold more to pace the fight to allow him to effectively counter without being swamped with punches again.

Like I posted I was being extremly generous to Williams. Who would you rather had been in the fight Williams or Martinez? Well there is your problem. Did you just watch the fight, look at the fighters faces at the end and give a score based on the swelling/blood on each of them? This appears to be what you have done based on your posts.

So Martinez clearly won the fight yet you scored it 7-5 and must surely accept there were at least 3 swing rounds? Sounds like a stinking dislike for Williams here... Like I posted I was being extremly generous to Williams. Ho would you rather had been in the fight Williams or Martinez?

Ah well. Put it down to the subjectiveness of scoring - I mean, we all remember that one judge who failed to score 3 KDs against Marquez in the first Pacquiao encounter (even though he actually had a right to do so, since the WBA mandates that a round can only be a minimum of 10-7 and not 10-6). It's up in the air. Also, 10-10 'even' rounds are highly subjective. Some might see a round as totally even, whereas another might spot elements which enabled one fighter to pull it off. We need better standards with judging, because right now it's ridiculous - a clear winner (like Funeka) can get robbed even after a total beatdown.

Round one was all Martinez aside from the slip. the judges have to go with the refs ruling which says it was a KD. they have to score it like that

I had it 115-113 for Williams. It could've gone either way or have been a draw though.

Big surprise there, Martinez clearly won the fight. I had it 115-113 and that's being extremely generous to Williiams. So Martinez clearly won the fight yet you scored it 7-5 and must surely accept there were at least 3 swing rounds? Sounds like a stinking dislike for Williams here...

Round one was all Martinez aside from the slip.

Yes you can. See both Golota-Bowe fights, or any other where the round winner commits a punishable foul. I meant without point deductions obviously which isn't the case in that round.

Yes you can. See both Golota-Bowe fights, or any other where the round winner commits a punishable foul. Yes, but surely that was for point deductions... not differentials in points occurring from knock downs.

one guy got knocked down dipshit that immediately makes the round 10-9 FOR Williams but since martinez actually won the whole round it should be 9-9 13:46-24A.13 Judging (a) All bouts will be evaluated and scored by three judges. (b) The 10-Point Must System will be the standard system of scoring a bout. Under the 10-Point Must Scoring System, 10 points must be awarded to the winner of the round and nine points or less must be awarded to the loser, except for a rare even round, which is scored (10-10). (c) Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense. cont....... http://www.state.nj.us/lps/sacb/docs/martial.html

115-113 Williams. Big surprise there, Martinez clearly won the fight. I had it 115-113 and that's being extremely generous to Williiams.

one guy got knocked down dipshit that immediately makes the round 10-9 FOR Williams but since martinez actually won the whole round it should be 9-9 Strong use of correct grammar and good attention to spelling. You also make 3 totally incorrect points. All in all I'd score this post a 1 punch KO against your boxing knowledge. Allow me to expand: 1) Both fighters had knockdowns ruled against them 2) If you get knocked down then you would have to do something pretty special in order to win the round. When you score a fight, you consider the knock down as part of a fighter's work that round. Say fighter A is mostly outworking fighter B and landing some good shot, however, fighter A is sent down towards the end of the round you would have to say fighter B did the most damage that round and so you award figter B the round 10-9. However, you then deduct a point from fighter A for being knocked down and so the score ends up 10-8 for the round. 3) Martinez won the whole round yes (taking into account both knock downs) and so the round should be 10-9 Martinez, giving the winner 10 points on the 10 point must system.

You can't score a round 9-8.It's a 10 point must system. Yes you can. See both Golota-Bowe fights, or any other where the round winner commits a punishable foul.

You can't score a round 9-8.It's a 10 point must system. I had the fight for Martinez narrowly.

A 9-8 round? You mean 10-9 and so a draw at 114-114 surely? I don't see your point about '**** scoring it 10-9' when 9-8 is exactly equivalent, except goes against the '10 point must system'. Yeah, I know. It's a confusing way of doing it, and I only figured out the logic recently... Basically, the round loser is behind at 10-9. He goes down, and it becomes 10-8 (a single point lost). The round winner then goes down too, and it comes up to 9-8 (a single point lost). They shouldn't just get their points back because both went down. The score needs to reflect that. Also, the 10-point must system goes out of the window when you have a situation where the round winner gets deducted a point for fouling - hence, 9-9, or 9-8 if the round loser went down at any point. I dunno. It makes sense to me, anyway. Glad to see others having it a draw, nonetheless. That was an extremely tricky fight to score, because both had their moments and were sloppy as hell. Are people crying robbery?