Has Paul Williams' stock went down or up in your opinion?

Up, he fought the worst match up possible for him and still won. There aren’t many slick southpaws like Martinez with the stamina and heart to handle Williams. Quintana was a horrible match up for Williams and Martinez is a Harder/Better/Faster/Stronger Quintana yet Williams still pulled through. Both fighters stock should rise after the classic they just gave us.

Paul's stock stayed the same maybe a LITTLE down. He showed the same tenacity that he showed against Margarito, but this fight was much harder. The point is, most of us already knew Williams has heart and can bite down hard when he needs to. He just proved it again. I don't see any other Martinez style fighters out there that are gonna be able to give Paul the problems that he did. Paul will not lose for a long time, unless he fights someone with skills AND tremendous power. Martinez went up because a lot of people thought Paul would clearly win. Martinez showed he's one of the better fighters of this generation.

i still think he'a a good fighter with great physical attributes but to not think his stock didnt go down with this fight is just stupid. mainly only cuase he was thought way too highly by many. styles make fights but the way people were going on about pwill as a p4p top 10 in reality he shoulda been a class above martinez. martinez' stock up pwill proved quintana was not a fluke or off nite, he has defensive issues and difficulties with quick counterpunchers. pwills stock down...

P. Will's stock went down.....it just broke through its 200 moving day average and right below the technical support.....the stock is moving in a head and shoulder formation which is outright bearish.... stock recommendation: Sell :thinking: i have always put P. will in a pedestal as the most feared boxer in 47 and 54....but Martinez showed us P. Will does not belong in the Top 5 p4p list....he could dominate 47 but above that, he would struggle

People really have to stop sayng that Paul Williams is the most feared man in boxing, this is pure B.S. I said it once and I will say it again, this guy is a bum!!

I forgot to add European posters as haters of Paul Williams besides the Pac tards, the Cotto stans, and the very few Pavlik fans we have on this board.

What the fukk is this shit post??? Williams was in a close fight with a guy with a style tailor made to beat him.....and won by one round IMO.... So pac is overrated for TWO close fights with JMM right?? i didn't say he was overrated i said why he gets called overrated fuk outta here your the one of the people im talking bout that hypes williams like he's some god damn god.

this what happens when you hype up a fighter, people say he's unstoppable and the most feared and no one can beat him, then he loses a close fight which i think he lost. if someone wanna blame someone for calling williams overrated, the blame should go to the fanboys

No, P. Williams stock is pretty much the same for me. I think he was overrated by most on here and I'm glad some of those people are seeing the light, but P Will is still a very good fighter. Sergio Martinez's stock on the other hand went up immensely. He might get a fanbase on here now. Marinez was a tough test which Paul Williams has passed. Remember guys styles makes fights, he probably wouldve iced Kelly Pavlik and you all wouldve been on his nuts

I wouldn't say Paul's stock has dropped, however his aura of invincibility has definitely been shattered. Although Williams would cause problems and could beat anyone between 147-160 on any given night, he is definitely beatable.

I read a good post earlier. Every good fighter gets what people call a gift decision at least once in their career. Mayweather vs. Castillo 1 Dawson vs. Johnson 1 JMM vs. Pac 2 Mosley vs. De La Hoya 2 Cotto vs. Mosley and Cotto vs. Clottey So does this mean that Paul Williams is a garbage fighter just because of a couple of judges being a little bit generous to him. I can definitely see Williams winning the fight too because it seemed like Sergio was done at the end and he was initiating clinches like crazy. I thought that kind of ruined the fight a little bit. Because when I saw that, I thought to myself this fight is gonna go the distance for sure. Williams acted like he wanted it more, and that to me, was the difference. it means pwill didn't learn from his mistake in the 1st quintana fight.

I read a good post earlier. Every good fighter gets what people call a gift decision at least once in their career. Mayweather vs. Castillo 1 Dawson vs. Johnson 1 JMM vs. Pac 2 Mosley vs. De La Hoya 2 Cotto vs. Mosley and Cotto vs. Clottey So does this mean that Paul Williams is a garbage fighter just because of a couple of judges being a little bit generous to him. I can definitely see Williams winning the fight too because it seemed like Sergio was done at the end and he was initiating clinches like crazy. I thought that kind of ruined the fight a little bit. Because when I saw that, I thought to myself this fight is gonna go the distance for sure. Williams acted like he wanted it more, and that to me, was the difference. God damn are your examples stupid. But, in terms of the question, I think his stock stayed the same. He was in there with a guy that I knew would give him a lot of problems. And Williams, to quote Dennis Green, is exactly who I thought he was. A fairly vast volume puncher that punches from all angles with decent pop, and a solid chin. There's nothing great about him except his stamina/workrate and his god given stature. But he does have great heart and will. Williams' intangibles are what impressed me in this fight. There will be some doubts on his chin now though. He still has a good chin, but people before this fight were talking about him having the best chin in the sport and that's just crazy. He got hurt SEVERAL times against a guy that's not a huge puncher. Overall though, his stock stays the same.

I am curious just how much time did Martinez have to prepare for this fight? I assume the 160 weight limit was so he could sub in since he had short notice.

I read a good post earlier. Every good fighter gets what people call a gift decision at least once in their career. Mayweather vs. Castillo 1 Dawson vs. Johnson 1 JMM vs. Pac 2 Mosley vs. De La Hoya 2 Cotto vs. Mosley and Cotto vs. Clottey So does this mean that Paul Williams is a garbage fighter just because of a couple of judges being a little bit generous to him. I can definitely see Williams winning the fight too because it seemed like Sergio was done at the end and he was initiating clinches like crazy. I thought that kind of ruined the fight a little bit. Because when I saw that, I thought to myself this fight is gonna go the distance for sure. Williams acted like he wanted it more, and that to me, was the difference. your question is good but your examples of gift decisions as usual sucks, with the exception of the Molsey DLH2 fight! P.Will stock went down mainly but I have to say he has a good beard. He got blasted all night long and in his post fight interview I thought he still acted like he was in lala land. hat fight may take something out of him but maybe not. He showed that he should stick to 154 and if he can get to 147 even better.

williams stock has to definitely drop a bit.only thing he really has goin for him is height.he cannot deal with movement and his defense is abysmal.i can only imagine if that was james kirkland in that ring or even pavlik.with that bein said,he made a fan outta me last nite.he showed toughness that most just dont have,and he cmes to fight.gotta love it

He whipped Kermit Cintron pretty easily on HBO. Knocking him down for a 10 count. After that was unexplainably reversed they fought on to a disgraceful "draw". The guy can fight and is one of the best p4p in the world. He's a world champ at 154. His only loss was to Margarito almost 10 years ago. And who's to say Margarito wasn't loading his gloves then? I really don't understand the criticism foR Williams after he took on one of the best in the world and won a close, tough, fight. Actually I do understand it when I see who's posting it. I agree. I've been impressed with him for a while and I knew he would give Williams a tough fight since he had all the tools to do so. The Margarito fight doesn't really mean much. Lampley said he didn't even start boxing until he was 19 or 21 (can't remember which) and that fight took place when he was roughly 24 so he was pretty inexperienced at the time. As far as Williams he's still a guy who could probably still be hiding out at 147 so you have to give him some credit for taking on fighters (in this case the best at 154) at higher weight classes. Guys like Quintana and Martinez present a style matchup that's his kryptonite but he's still a serious threat to anyone else from 147-160. I think I'd still put him at the tail end of the top 10 P4P list.

Williams stock should of gone up imo. He fought a fighter who stylistically should cause him hell but he was able to be competitive and edge out a close win. Martinez's shock has really gone up. Cotto - Mosley was a bad example might i add. Cotto won that fight quite clearly. Cotto - Clottey was alot closer. the first three rounds of the fight, i was like, "here goes quintana I, all over again!" i was impressed williams didn't quit, and gutted it out....but there were a few times it looked like martinez was gassed and ready to go. i thought had williams just jumped on him, especially when he had martinez trapped in the corners, a few shots could've ended the fight. williams fought overly cautious, and didn't "sit" on his punches as he had began to in previous fights.

wasn't a "gift" decision....was a close fight, that could've went either way. as a williams fan, his stock went down IMO, while sergio's went up. i thought williams beats anybody from 147-160, and gives mayweather problems. after last night, i'm sure mayweather beats him, and makes him look really bad while doing so. i also think pacman beats williams. i want a rematch tho. NOTHING was settled last night. i'd like to see these guys fight again, after having a full training camp to prepare for on another. let's not forget, BOTH guys took this fight with a month to prepare for the other. I don't think Pac and Floyd have the same style as Martinez... Styles makes fights bro... IMO neither of them beat. I know for sure Williams gives anybody hell from 147-160.

Williams stock should of gone up imo. He fought a fighter who stylistically should cause him hell but he was able to be competitive and edge out a close win. Martinez's shock has really gone up. Cotto - Mosley was a bad example might i add. Cotto won that fight quite clearly. Cotto - Clottey was alot closer.

Out of all the fights I listed as gift decisions I think the only one that you could make a case of where the right guy won was the Pacquiao-JMM rematch. I've never seen the Reid-Calzaghe fight. You could also make in the Cotto fights that the right guy won, you can make a case in the Shane-Oscar fight that the right guy won, you can also make a case in the Dawson-Johnson fight were the right guy won.