We could have seen two Fights of the Year with Margarito-Cotto last year and Pacquiao-Cotto this year.
Not only did he ruin two great fights with his Ivan Calderon interpretation , he robbed us of great knockouts by busting a bitch move.
Ha, but Breland was a pretty good pro too. He won the belts.
He wasn't what was expected, but after he completely destroyed everyone in the ams, the expectations were too great IMO.
I asked about silver gloves because I was famous for taking the most punches from a champ in one round at the tender age of 13 because I was doing really well in sparring, then I got the lesson of my life.
=. It's on video too.. my dad and my uncles would sit around and watch it while giggling.... he he he in front of numerous family members every once in a blue moon.
I was doing ok until i met this kid from brooklyn who was very, very good and i kept telling my dad that the kid was good and 10 seconds into fight kid knocks me out like when Diaz got ko'd by marquez. I was enjoying it until 3 fights before that fight and kept telling my dad that i did not want to continue but he kept pressing me and 3 fights late that kid made it official. My dad and i kept the boxing from my mom. Could not do it after that fight when i got home all messed up. Both my dad and i got punished...lol
santiago should have stopped the fight earlier.
i heard miguel's dad wanted to throw in the towel but the other guys in the corner talked him out of it.
Heard the same. Santiago is cotto's friend, should not be training cotto but ok training a boxer just starting out. Cotto made alot of mistakes in pac fight.
1. Fighting pac too early after clottey
2. Hiring Santiago as trainer for a fight this big.
3. Fighting pac at his own game.
Cotto needs to look himself in mirror and ask himself if he still want to fight. Also, cotto needs to realize he may never beat pac or margarito and accept it. I still think he can beat berto or mosley.
Oh I know that part brother. Did you box silver gloves too?
No silver gloves because i was 16 and silver gloves was for 10-15 yrs old. I boxed 16-17 yrs old. I remember seeing this kid who was beating everyone around me and he knocked out my boy in 5 seconds and became the gold gloves champ in 1980....mark breland. Breland was nice but just did not have it in him to have a very good boxing career.
I understand but after 8th rd i don't think cotto knew where he was at, who was in his corner, etc, etc. I remember fighting in early 80's and getting beat so bad that i thought my trainer was fighting me in ring. Some fighters start bugging and i think cotto is one of those fighters that bug out when faced with losing a fight. Remember, before pac he has only lost once and never been ko'd.
santiago should have stopped the fight earlier.
i heard miguel's dad wanted to throw in the towel but the other guys in the corner talked him out of it.
you know what cotto could have done that i wouldn't have had an issue with?
if he had just went after pacquiao instead of running.
just go for broke and either win or lose it here and now.
who knows? one lucky punch and he could have sparked pac out.
I understand but after 8th rd i don't think cotto knew where he was at, who was in his corner, etc, etc. I remember fighting in early 80's and getting beat so bad that i thought my trainer was fighting me in ring. Some fighters start bugging and i think cotto is one of those fighters that bug out when faced with losing a fight. Remember, before pac he has only lost once and never been ko'd.
I see just because he's a boxer he "should" be risking his life.
Well one you are a drooling Mongaloid because nobody in this world should die just to entertain someone as dumb as you no matter how much money they make.
And two police officers, soldiers, and fireman are all examples of people who have dangerous proffessions. If you cheered when ever one of them got hurt you would be looked at as a complete fuking jack ass!!! Thats why "real" boxing fans are ok with fighters boxing a bit when they are outclassed so they can avoid getting hurt.
If you want blood watch a snuff film!!
agreed, well said.. some people here are just too stupid to understand
Do you feel he should've done what he did, go out and retreat?
I mean he would've caught heat either way he lost from some people.
But I don't get the going out and retreating.
I could see if he was trying to win and be slick and cagey about it, but he wasn't even doing that.
Honestly? I boxed in NY to try to get to golden gloves finals and i did things in ring that i don't remember doing. When things are going bad and your strategy is out the window, as a boxer you do the opposite of what you would do. Tyson was a beast and look what he did. Duran a warrior and look what happened. I think cotto was bugging after 8th rd....lol Seriously. I'm shocked he wasn't low blowing like a mad man...lol
No matter what cotto would've done you would've had issues with it. If he had gone all 12 rds and won a decision, you'd have issues with it. If he had ko's pac in 10th, you would bitch him out for waiting so long. There are very good posters here and posters that only see it one way. Congrats to pac he won and hope cotto comes back if he still wants to. I'm not knocking pac because he made me a believer but that's me. I'm 44 yrs old and not into this BS games you put out that others eat up.
you know what cotto could have done that i wouldn't have had an issue with?
if he had just went after pacquiao instead of running.
just go for broke and either win or lose it here and now.
who knows? one lucky punch and he could have sparked pac out.
i never thought anything bad about kostya , oscar , etc. when they quit on their stool. or even morales when he didn't get up in pac-morales 3.
they know better than anyone when they had enough. It's going to take to Cotto brain damage or hurt bad for cotto to realize that but it's up to him, not you or me. Let him go out his way, we don't sweat you. Don't watch his fights or order his fights. Why you sweating cotto anyway? Whether it's hatton, cotto, oscar, pac, holyfield, tyson....let them go out their way. If an MMA guy gets brain damage for going all out, let it be....their choice.
Pacquiao would have to chop off an arm to make FW!!!!
http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/782/Manny-Pacquiao-Hector-Velazquez4.jpg
Here's Manny vs Hector Velazquez in 05 I think at 130
http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Manny+Pacquiao+v+Ricky+Hatton+Weigh+9gGCu5xQbApl.jpg
And here he is weighing in vs Ricky
See how much thicker his pecs and arms are, and he isn't even tensing there
i don't even see much of a difference.
a little bit but not much.
pac was coming in at 140-145 fight night at 130.
he was 149 fight night against cotto.
he should have quit in his corner.
all that running did was prolong the injury over a longer period of time.
he would have gotten more brain damage from that stupid running and getting whacked every 30 seconds or so than he would have if he just fought back and gotten koed.
if you're not fighting to WIN , then it's time to quit.
No matter what cotto would've done you would've had issues with it. If he had gone all 12 rds and won a decision, you'd have issues with it. If he had ko's pac in 10th, you would bitch him out for waiting so long. There are very good posters here and posters that only see it one way. Congrats to pac he won and hope cotto comes back if he still wants to. I'm not knocking pac because he made me a believer but that's me. I'm 44 yrs old and not into this BS games you put out that others eat up.
It's been done plenty of times true.
But I don't mind people quitting on their stools like others do when you know you can't win.
To go out and retreat seems silly.
i never thought anything bad about kostya , oscar , etc. when they quit on their stool. or even morales when he didn't get up in pac-morales 3.
they know better than anyone when they had enough.
Cotto is not the only one that has retreated when faced with nothing left. Look at the history of boxing and look at all the great ones. At one point or another, they've done the same thing that cotto has done but only cotto is called out on it. True boxing fans know it's been done soooo many times but the haters don't.
did anyone say he was the only one?
he still ran. it don't matter how many people have done it before.
he should have quit in his corner.
all that running did was prolong the injury over a longer period of time.
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Well maybe it's that every know nothing fan and Commentator would have called him a quitter if he had actually done that.
A boxer quits and everyone calls him a pussy. A boxer keeps fighting and boxes and everyone calls him a boring pussy. A boxer goes out on his shield and he risks his life and health.
The boxer is fuked no matter what he does.
I like people who never boxed in their lives and act like they're fukkin experts. Who gives a shit about those kind of opinions.
Cotto's corner wanted him to quit, he said no and kept going until the ref stopped it. That's what happened. Pacquiao was the better man. Period.
Cotto is not the only one that has retreated when faced with nothing left. Look at the history of boxing and look at all the great ones. At one point or another, they've done the same thing that cotto has done but only cotto is called out on it. True boxing fans know it's been done soooo many times but the haters don't.
They stopped the fight 2 seconds after that and I take it you don't understand the concept of overexhagerration.
Im not the one up here screaming for blood like an idiot!
i'm not screaming for blood , moron.
what i don't like is guys fighting just for the sake of trying to survive.
he wasn't trying to win the fight anymore.
he should have quit.
what's the point of fighting 4 rounds if he's not even trying to win it , dumbfuck?
I see just because he's a boxer he "should" be risking his life.
Well one you are a drooling Mongaloid because nobody in this world should die just to entertain someone as dumb as you no matter how much money they make.
And two police officers, soldiers, and fireman are all examples of people who have dangerous proffessions. If you cheered when ever one of them got hurt you would be looked at as a complete fuking jack ass!!! Thats why "real" boxing fans are ok with fighters boxing a bit when they are outclassed so they can avoid getting hurt.
If you want blood watch a snuff film!!
he should have quit in his corner.
all that running did was prolong the injury over a longer period of time.
he would have gotten more brain damage from that stupid running and getting whacked every 30 seconds or so than he would have if he just fought back and gotten koed.
if you're not fighting to WIN , then it's time to quit.
the guy has a photoshopped sig of an mma tomato can getting his head knocked off and he's gonna go comment on fighter's safety.
clown.
They stopped the fight 2 seconds after that and I take it you don't understand the concept of overexhagerration.
Im not the one up here screaming for blood like an idiot!
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