Manny Pac has never faced the African American style of boxing...

BOXING learn and read for those dudnt know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing boxing facts Boxing style terminology: Boxer/Out-fighter Heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali A classic "boxer" or stylist (also known as an "out-fighter") seeks to maintain distance between himself and his opponent, fighting with faster, longer range punches, most notably the jab, and gradually wearing his opponent down. Due to this reliance on weaker punches, out-fighters tend to win by point decisions rather than by knockout, though some out-fighters have notable knockout records. They are often regarded as the best boxing strategists due to their ability to control the pace of the fight and lead their opponent, methodically wearing him down and exhibiting more skill and finesse than a brawler. Out-fighters need reach, hand speed, reflexes, and footwork. Notable out-fighters include Gene Tunney, Billy Conn, Willie Pep, Meldrick Taylor and Muhammad Ali. Boxer/Puncher A boxer-puncher is a well-rounded boxer who is able to fight at close range with a combination of technique and power, often with the ability to knock opponents out with a combination and in some instances a single shot. Their movement and tactics are similar to that of an out-fighter (although they are generally not as mobile as an out-fighter), but instead of winning by decision, they tend to wear their opponents down using combinations and then move in to score the knockout. A boxer must be well rounded to be effective using this style. Notable punchers include, Manny Pacquiao, Sam Langford, Henry Armstrong, Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson, Tony Zale, Archie Moore, Carlos Monzon, Khaosai Galaxy, Oscar De La Hoya. Brawler/Slugger A brawler is a fighter who generally lacks finesse and footwork in the ring, but makes up for it through sheer punching power. Many brawlers tend to lack mobility, preferring a less mobile, more stable platform and have difficulty pursuing fighters who are fast on their feet. They may also have a tendency to ignore combination punching in favour of continuous beat-downs with one hand and by throwing slower, more powerful single punches (such as hooks and uppercuts). Their slowness and predictable punching pattern (single punches with obvious leads) often leaves them open to counter punches, so successful brawlers must be able to absorb substantial amounts of punishment. A brawler's most important assets are power and chin (the ability to absorb punishment while remaining able to continue boxing). Notable brawlers include Stanley Ketchel, Max Baer, Rocky Graziano, Sonny Liston and George Foreman. Swarmers/In-fighter In-fighters/swarmers (sometimes called "pressure fighters") attempt to stay close to an opponent, throwing intense flurries and combinations of hooks and uppercuts. A successful in-fighter often needs a good "chin" because swarming usually involves being hit with many jabs before they can maneuver inside where they are more effective. In-fighters operate best at close range because they are generally shorter and have less reach than their opponents and thus are more effective at a short distance where the longer arms of their opponents make punching awkward. However, several fighters tall for their division have been relatively adept at in-fighting as well as out-fighting. The essence of a swarmer is non-stop aggression. Many short in-fighters utilize their stature to their advantage, employing a bob-and-weave defense by bending at the waist to slip underneath or to the sides of incoming punches. Unlike blocking, causing an opponent to miss a punch disrupts his balance, permits forward movement past the opponent's extended arm and keeps the hands free to counter. Some in-fighters have been known for being notoriously hard to hit. The key to a swarmer is aggression, endurance, chin, and bobbing-and-weaving. Notable swarmers include Mike Tyson, Harry Greb, Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano, Joe Frazier, Glyn Daniels and also Jake LaMotta Counter puncher Counter punchers are slippery in the pocket defensive style fighters. They use their well rounded defence to avoid or block shots. When their opponent throws a punch they use their defense to avoid blows and then they return one. They mostly fight at a close range; but some counter punchers remain at the distance of an out fighter. To be successful using this style he or she must have well rounded overall skills, a sharp boxing brain, and while blazing speed isn't always necessary, good speed at the least is required. Notable counter punchers include Pernell Whitaker, James Toney, Marvin Hagler, Juan Manuel Marquez, and Floyd Mayweather Jr There are no african boxing style.

so whats the african-american style of boxing? :thinking: First, let me preface by saying Im African-American myself. With that said the so-called "African-American" style, that so many like to claim pacquiao is avoiding, was actually started by a white boxer named Willie Pep. Before Sweat P, and all those other slick defensive style boxers...the first to do it was Will-o-the Wisp. Youtube some of his fights, and you can clearly see his influence on AA fighters today. Willie is one of my favorite boxers, and as a matter of a fact, all those guys that fight slick always mention him as an influence on their style.

Floyd blatantly ducked both of those guys. Remember, I'm a Floyd fan, but I keep it 100. I remember him turning down both of those guys at various points in his lightweight career. He would have whooped them both, but he didn't want to face them. yep...and what I don't get is how he calls out pacquiao for getting outboxed by Erik Morales, when Floyd ducked morales himself. Floyd wanted to fight Hamed and was willing to do a catch weight at 128 (Floyd was at 130). Erik Morales, being the warrior he is, said fukked a catchweight..I'll fight you at 130 (even though Morales barely had moved up to 126). Did Floyd have the balls to fight Morales back then? Nope...he blatantly ducked him. He was willing to fight a wild brawler who he could counter punch, but was scared to fight a boxer who could brawl and fight technical.

so whats the african-american style of boxing? :thinking:

I bet if Manny beats Floyd, then people will say Manny hasn't faced and African American from the East Coast, guys like Zab Judah and Andre Berto.

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Nate's a bum. Bradley isn't a big enough draw, only has 25 fights. No one is fighting Paul at 147. He's 6'1 and any big fight hell get will be at 160. Mosley was offered at fight at 140 pre-Hatton and he said no. Berto isnt shit and Shane's gonna expose him. If you think taking any of those fights would have been better in terms of money OR competition (Shane aside, he did say No) than facing Oscar, Hatton, and Cotto you have no idea what you're talking about. None of them have shit on Oscar, Cotto, or Ricky before he fell apart. Ok, well, maybe Ricky, but before Pac destoryed him he seemed to be on the way back up. No need to make sense, Paul, you were replying to Flawless. Anyway. This thread is officially stupid. I'm surprised it's gone on for this long. I'd expect maybe three replies... "Man, you're a goon!", "STFU......", and "Somebody ban this guy", and it's over. But nope. :dunno: 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

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He didn't say all Black fighters fight a certain way you retard. You guys comprehension skills are horrible. Eh? I don't understand what you're saying? 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

What exactly is an African American style of Boxing? The last I checked, Bernard Hopkins and Timothy Bradley don't fight like one another, neither do both Paul Williams and Andre Ward. What if it's just...Pacquiao gets beat by a better fighter? Your statement is very true. There is NO definite single African American style of boxing. Hopkins, Mayweather, even Tyson, or Lewis, or Ali, or Foreman, Ward, etc.. They don't fight the same. Maybe the title was made to catch your attention.

Look, there is no doubt Manny's gonna get caught with a few counters, but there is also no doubt that Floyd's gonna get hit too. The real question is how will each fighter react, after they are hit? Its ridiculous to think that Floyd is gonna go the entire fight untouched. He's good but he ain't that good. I don't think Floyd has ever fought someone this tenacious and this quick. Its not like Manny's just wildly throwing around his fists, he's actually pretty accurate. His percentage is lower because his volume is so high. But his workrate and his strange angles may give Floyd some problems. The KO punches are usually the ones you don't see comin

Campell wanted some, he was rejected Bradley wanted some, he was rejected Williams wanted some, he was rejcted Mosley wanted some, he was rejected Berto wanted some, he was rejcted But finally he steps up to Floyd knowing its his last fight :lol1: Nate's a bum. Bradley isn't a big enough draw, only has 25 fights. No one is fighting Paul at 147. He's 6'1 and any big fight hell get will be at 160. Mosley was offered at fight at 140 pre-Hatton and he said no. Berto isnt shit and Shane's gonna expose him. If you think taking any of those fights would have been better in terms of money OR competition (Shane aside, he did say No) than facing Oscar, Hatton, and Cotto you have no idea what you're talking about. None of them have shit on Oscar, Cotto, or Ricky before he fell apart. Ok, well, maybe Ricky, but before Pac destoryed him he seemed to be on the way back up.

Mayweather has never faced the philipine style of boxing

He didn't say all Black fighters fight a certain way you retard. You guys comprehension skills are horrible. Read the muthafukkin title of the thread... he says pac never fought the african american style of boxing... he's inferring that african americans fight a certain way... that's racist.

I've seen some African American boxers who aren't very slick and defensive at all and some who are. Jermaine Taylor is not very slick if you ask me but he is usually effective, as an example.

floyd doesnt face any threats or competition, what does that say about him.

there's no such thing as an African American style. to infer that all African Americans fight a certain way is racist. it's harmless and idiotic racism, but racism nonetheless. He didn't say all Black fighters fight a certain way you retard. You guys comprehension skills are horrible.

samoan style boxing > american style boxing I agree.. Somoan Style is the best.. And has Floyd faught anyone with the Somoan style..

I respectfully disagree with you bro. Floyd has even gone on record and said Emmanual Burton was his toughest fight as a pro. Emmanual had FLoyd bleeding from both nostrils and his mouth. Floyd's hand was also busted and at one point he was almost in tears. Emmanual pushed him to the brink. Around that same time, Emmanual Augustus was thrown out of Zab Judah's camp for beating up on Zab in sparring. Augustus is no bum. Floyd has also been on record stating that "Gatti was my toughest fight"....."Hatton was my greatest victory"......"Marquez is one of the toughest fighters ever".....

If by African American style you mean great hand speed, good footwork, and slick defense then I hate to be the one to break it to you but Floyd hasn't even fought that style of opponent yet.