You guys think Money Mayweather can top what Manny did to Cotto? What difference will it be in a Cotto vs Mayweather super fight? Personally Cotto could beat Mayweather, basic against basic; orthodox against orthodox. Cotto's arsenal is enough for Mayweather just like Oscar did. They both have the weapons in beating Mayweather. There most lethal weapon is their jab and their left hook, Mayweather wont have the same rhytym as Pacman did, in and out, weird angles. Plus Cotto fought someone with a better right hand, and that is Mosley.
Your take?
Oscar's jab wasn't consistent and you think Cotto's is? Let me tell you something that i've notcied about Cotto. Whenever he sees plan doesn't work, he crumbles.
He stopped using his jab when Pacquiao took it away from him. He'll stop using it when Mayweather takes it away from him as well.
And what's all this talk about Cotto and his jab man? First of all to go into that fight he will need a bigger plan than just using his jab all night. and I'm pretty confident that his jab will not work for Mayweather
Mayweather's too quick and moves too much to get caught with those slow and stiff jabs.
One last thing. You have to bring more to the table than just being a On-dimensinal fighter(Cotto and his jab) to win a fight against Mayweather. I garantee you if it's a jabbing war, Mayweather will win it.
I hate to repeat myself but Mayweather is just more :faster, skilled, technical, workrate, defensive, to lose to Cotto.
Cotto will not be able to win it unless he knocks Mayweather out by putting constant pressure on him(which he can't becaue he lacks the workrate and stamina), and that will be unlikely to happen. mayweather has never been knocked out and I don't think aCotto will be the one to KO him. He' just doesn't have what it takes
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He stop using his jab because it really wont work agaisnt PAC, PAC is not a stationary target that would stay in from of you, he learned his lesson against JMM. After JMM, Diaz, Oscar, and Ricky just look what happened. Cotto's jab useless against a fighter who fights just like Manny. But when its Mayweather its a different story. You know why? He's best offence when he is on his pocket, using the distance for him. A smaller marquez jab wont reach him but a bigger Cotto will. Cotto's jab is not the only weapon he could use but its the most important. A great jab will set up other punches, and for when Money MAy is on the rope with his shoulder roll, Cotto would be patient as well. Look when Pac was on the rope, he kept his compusure and didnt rush it. He kep throwing small compact punches but again Manny was able to escape because roach trained Manny for that scenario. But Mayweather will be on the ropes on his shoulder roll, I really do believe Cotto was trained to beat a Money Mayweather. He got it all.
i don't think so.
he was good enough to beat other good fighters but not great enough to beat great fighters.
only exception is mosley but mosley is past it and he's hot and cold sometimes.
he's good enough to beat who's who at welterweight tho; Mosley, Clottey, for me even Margarito (its just sad what happen to that fight). Too bad Pacman wasnt a really a true welter if not he could have beat him aslo.
First of all Mayweather is taller and has a bigger hand-reach than Pac, and is slightly slower than Pac but still very quick for Cotto.
What that means is that it will be easier for Mayweather to catch cotto with his jab and right cross than Pac. Pac had to move in and get around Cotto's jab to land, but mayweather can do so from the outside without going in and risking to get counter pounched. He's has the reach, speed and accuracy to make that happen.
Answers to your points:
1.: The reason why Cotto got on his bike was because he was trying to survive. He will not likely get into the running mode against Mayweather unless he's very hurt or is trying to outbox Mayweather...And we all know how that will end up. (Mayweather will outbox him very easily) He can't beat Floyd at his own style, he's just not skilled, fast, technical enough.
2.: Man you are overrating Cotto's jab. There are far better jabbers that Mayweather has faced and still found ways around them.
You have to remember that Mayweather is a fighter with multiple gameplans and the type of fighter that always finds a way around his obstacles.....He will find a way to disable Cotto's jab easily.
I don't even think Cotto's jabs will land or do much damage to Mayweather. I think it will be the other way around. Mayweather will use his reach and jab+right cross Cotto and set up traps until he has earned enough rounds to get on his bike and outbox Cotto until the 12th.
To wrap this up. Cotto doesn't have the speed, accuracy, defense, endurance, ability to take shots and outwork Mayweather.
Mayweather has all of the above.
Sorry but I don't see a way for Cotto to win this....even if he puts his "almighty" jab to use
I just gave the Cotto on the bike example for the reason being is that even Cotto was on his bike, Pacman still caught him. That says about Pacman ring generalship and speed. But Mayweather wont catch him, that is just not his style. Even Cotto was not on survival mode, and do the same in the early rounds the effect would the same. The best bet for Cotto to win was to slug it with him, but PACMAN was too unpredictable and fast.
And for number two, the two fighter Mayweather recently fought that had a great Jab was Oscar and Marquez. For all we know Oscar was doing great on their fight when he was using his Jab but he was just not consistent. And for Marquez he's jab wasnt the same, as when he was in the lower division. Money May way of fighting, for example against the smaller Marquez, is to stay on the pocket and potshot using his reflexes after Marquez throw a punch, but he cant do it with Cotto, he will keep Mayweather at bay with his jab and dictate the flow of the fight. You cant dismissed a great jab agaisnt a orthodox fighter, thats boxing for you. A great jab would dismantle any gameplan.
He could have been great, I just dont like his lowblow style.
i don't think so.
he was good enough to beat other good fighters but not great enough to beat great fighters.
only exception is mosley but mosley is past it and he's hot and cold sometimes.
cotto has a good chance of beating floyd because floyd dont bring the pressure that pac or margarito brings.. not to mention cotto won't have to worry about his stamina because floyd's pace is no where nears pac's.. cotto is easily the best fighter floyds would have ever faced too..
he's good nothing special.
i just liked him because his fights were exciting but i never bought into him being a great fighter.
He could have been great, I just dont like his lowblow style.
I dont know why but we used to 8's for A's, haha
everyone's group had their own set.
some people type upside down. you had to flip the pager upside down to read it. :lol1:
true pinoys appreciate cotto...
posers and wannabes dont.
he's good nothing special.
i just liked him because his fights were exciting but i never bought into him being a great fighter.
It's not that his chin is made of glass. It's that Cotto has a big problem with fast punchers and getting caught by punches that he doesnt see.
I mean everyone does, but Cotto has a really and I mean REALLY tough time with them. As i said his slow head movement and open/wide defense doesn't help at all
You know why Cotto got knockdown by Pacman in their fight, in the 3rd round he got caught buy a jumping left to the body then right to the head, have you seen anybody throw something like that? NOBODY. And on the 4th round he was slugging it out agaisnt PACMAN, he was punching as he go forward then he got caught. As you can recall on Mayweather's style he wont back down and throw punches, he's going to stay on the middle of the ring and with his reflexes will hit you after you throw a punch. Again, PACMAN's style is his own, you cant duplicate that. That's his from the 130 to 147. You can study it on video but when its fight night, goodluck.
Man forget the Left jab and left hook. Cotto's defense is very weak and Taylor made for Mayweather..
As I said in my post above, Cotto starts stumbling and wabbling when he gets hit with an accurate flush shot. His head movement is very slow and MoneyMay has exactly what it takes to dilever those type of shots that give Cotto problems.
Remember what judah did with that uppercut he landed on Cotto? Mayweathers right is going to smother him all night in that same fashion
Cotto's defense is underrated after what Pacquio did to him, you forget what Pacman did Cotto is not Mayweather style. He wont pursue Cotto, when Cotto was on his bike agaisnt PAC, he still caught him. But Mayweather wont, because that's not his style. He wont potshot Cotto like he usual do agaisnt other opponents because Cotto wont let him, he's jab will make Mayweather think twice. Cotto is basic fighter to the bone, so does Mayweather. Its just that PAC is so unpredictable he is not use to it.
Guys you're forgetting that Cotto is very chinny and gasses out in the later rounds. Mayweather will drive him nuts all night by hitting him with flush accurate straight counters.
Cotto got a good chin, what you talkin about. After Margarito fight I thought nobody would question his chin after that.
Have you ever heard of The original is always better than the clone phrase?
If Cotto tried to box Mayweather, Mayweather would solely beat him by making his style look better than Cottos(clearly Mayweather is the better boxer by far). He'll land more swiftly and would turn the match into a technical showdown...kind of like a one-sided sparring match where Cotto will be the victim
The only chance Cotto has of beating Mayweather is by turning it into a brawl, which he'll have to use his sluggish style for.
Mayweather style is suited for Cotto, dont get me wrong. Mayweather indeed is the better boxer but you cant dissmissed what Cotto bring to the table. A strong jab and a left hook, he dont need a great right for orthodox fighter. Pacman and Mayweather style is so different that he couldnt figure it out. For me Pacman now is better as a counter puncher than Mayweather. Correct me if im wrong but never see Mayweather counter someone backing down as Pacman did on 4th round versus Cotto? If you call Mayweather fast reflexes as a counter ala Roy Jones, thats you.
The only fighters that stand a chance of beating Mayweather are these IMO: PWill, Pac, Margarito, Mosley, Clottey and that's about it
Cotto already beat Mosley and Clottey, even Margarito in decision, too bad Cotto couldnt handle the beating.