Joe Santiago told Cotto after the first round..

to "watch out for Manny's left, that's all he has "..or atleast that's what the interpreter says he said. Did Joe not watch the Manny/Dela fight where Oscar's left eye was almost completely shut from Manny's right hand? Did he not watch the Hatton fight where Manny hurt and dropped Ricky in the first round with a right hand? Cotto end's up getting dropped two rounds later w/a right hand. Freddie was right about Joe being green. Cotto , if he is gonna continue needs a new trainer. I say Papa Trrinidad..if he wants to stay with a PR..or possibly Goosen, Steward.. Trinidad father? No way.

because roach was right when he said "damaged goods" "I thought he was on a decline. but he proved me wrong i was worried in there" - Freddie Roach on Cotto

because roach was right when he said "damaged goods" anyone who actually knows and follows boxing knew that

Cotto has got nothing to do with the loss, it was all santiago's fault.

Look at all these excuses.

beater would a fan call cotto a pu**y and a bit** for running against Pacquiao? would a fan always side with the opponent of said fighter he's a fan of yes or no? you write a book all i want is a yes or no answer? I did answer, I'm sorry if you never read a book without pictures.

I'm gonna call you any name I can, read your FIRST post that replied to me with. You said I had Manglers dick in my mouth, that isn't name calling? And if you're seriously butt hurt by me calling you names you a bigger pussy than the font size in Pullcounters sig. And I most definitely am a fan of Cotto and I never called him a pussy for quitting against Marg, or running from Manny, you're too stupid to even realize I called you the pussy. Also, Mayweather could KO Cotto, not because he has a ton of power but because he hits you with punches you can't see. Do I think he would KO Cotto? No, Cotto's chin is one of the best in the sport and he's only been knocked down twice in his career and one coming from Manny from what kind of punch? One that he didn't see coming, which is the same exact thing Mayweather could do to Cotto. Also, Mangler never said you couldn't root for someone but expect the other guy to win. Mayweather/Marquez, just about EVERYONE knew that Marquez was going to lose, myself included, but I was rooting for him to beat the shit out of Mayweather because I hate that fawker. The difference is I see the SKILLS he possesses to beat his opponents and his attitude can never change what he can deliver in that ring, its part of the reason I hate him. He's SOOOOO good, he talks SOOOO much shit but he always wins because of his skills... well that and he picks easy opponents but he outclasses them in the process. As for your Obama analogy... its makes no sense because this is boxing, not politics. At least use a sport analogy... I'll do it for you because I know you're probably going to give yourself a stroke if you think much harder. I'm a die hard dolphins far, just as much as I am a Cotto fan. And while they can win a game on any given sunday if there were to face this Saints, Colts, Patriots at any point this season I'll be betting against them. Its not that I don't want them to win, its that using my logic its not likely to happen. Its the same exact thing that Mangler is saying. He likes Cotto, respects him, but he just thinks that he doesn't have the skills to beat certain opponents and there is nothing wrong with that. The same can be said for Cotto fans, when we pick him to beat Margarito/Clottey/Mosley and Pac. I chose Cotto win all those fights, but I can say I was most worried about Margarito and Pacman. The marg loss is completely suspect so I just give that one a ND when picking who wins Cotto fights, I wasn't right I wasn't wrong. With Pacman... just reverse roles of the fighters and that was the outcome I was expecting. The fact is, the reason people go against Cotto isn't because he's a bad fighter its because he fights THE BEST fighters. There is a reason people always pick Mayweather when he fights... because he doesn't fight top guys. Same reason why people pick against Cotto... he always fights the best guys and when you do that you're bound to risk losing and people betting against you. Especially when other fights have been close fights, get over it homie, not everyone is going to love your man crush as much as you do. beater would a fan call cotto a pu**y and a bit** for running against Pacquiao? would a fan always side with the opponent of said fighter he's a fan of yes or no? you write a book all i want is a yes or no answer?

name calling are you 10? I never said cotto is not beatable I dont have a problem with you beater if you say you're a fan of cotto would you call him a p*ssy and a bi**h for running against pacquiao? then say mayweather KO'S cotto though he couldn't Ko Marquez,man what a brain mangler has those are few examples check this thread again im not the only person calling him a hater If Im a fan of someone i pick that person when i know he can win and root for him not against mangler and sam are having a hard time understanding/comprehending that i dont root against him every single time if im a fan of obama's works do you think i go around calling him a lethargic no good for nothing president? and saying he suck etc I'm gonna call you any name I can, read your FIRST post that replied to me with. You said I had Manglers dick in my mouth, that isn't name calling? And if you're seriously butt hurt by me calling you names you a bigger pussy than the font size in Pullcounters sig. And I most definitely am a fan of Cotto and I never called him a pussy for quitting against Marg, or running from Manny, you're too stupid to even realize I called you the pussy. Also, Mayweather could KO Cotto, not because he has a ton of power but because he hits you with punches you can't see. Do I think he would KO Cotto? No, Cotto's chin is one of the best in the sport and he's only been knocked down twice in his career and one coming from Manny from what kind of punch? One that he didn't see coming, which is the same exact thing Mayweather could do to Cotto. Also, Mangler never said you couldn't root for someone but expect the other guy to win. Mayweather/Marquez, just about EVERYONE knew that Marquez was going to lose, myself included, but I was rooting for him to beat the shit out of Mayweather because I hate that fawker. The difference is I see the SKILLS he possesses to beat his opponents and his attitude can never change what he can deliver in that ring, its part of the reason I hate him. He's SOOOOO good, he talks SOOOO much shit but he always wins because of his skills... well that and he picks easy opponents but he outclasses them in the process. As for your Obama analogy... its makes no sense because this is boxing, not politics. At least use a sport analogy... I'll do it for you because I know you're probably going to give yourself a stroke if you think much harder. I'm a die hard dolphins far, just as much as I am a Cotto fan. And while they can win a game on any given sunday if there were to face this Saints, Colts, Patriots at any point this season I'll be betting against them. Its not that I don't want them to win, its that using my logic its not likely to happen. Its the same exact thing that Mangler is saying. He likes Cotto, respects him, but he just thinks that he doesn't have the skills to beat certain opponents and there is nothing wrong with that. The same can be said for Cotto fans, when we pick him to beat Margarito/Clottey/Mosley and Pac. I chose Cotto win all those fights, but I can say I was most worried about Margarito and Pacman. The marg loss is completely suspect so I just give that one a ND when picking who wins Cotto fights, I wasn't right I wasn't wrong. With Pacman... just reverse roles of the fighters and that was the outcome I was expecting. The fact is, the reason people go against Cotto isn't because he's a bad fighter its because he fights THE BEST fighters. There is a reason people always pick Mayweather when he fights... because he doesn't fight top guys. Same reason why people pick against Cotto... he always fights the best guys and when you do that you're bound to risk losing and people betting against you. Especially when other fights have been close fights, get over it homie, not everyone is going to love your man crush as much as you do.

you got proof that mangler always picks against cotto? trust me pull Ive seen post of his picking against cotto 99.9% im not the only one.the others are scared to revolt against mangler.

you got proof that mangler always picks against cotto? Wassup Pull....what the hell have I walked into here????? How far back do I have to go with this???? Hahahahahahaha.........someone TRYING to educate Mang on his own reasoning for picks? Hahahahahaha......

but always mangler says what if he likes both fighters well then he must like everyone cotto faces cause he always picks the other guy to win 99.9% of the time if the yankees play the mets and win they go to the world series if the lose they go home lets say im a huge yankees fan do you think im going to root for the mets even though i like the yankees and yanks are one of my favs you got proof that mangler always picks against cotto?

Mangler is not a hater... out of all those fights you stated, Cotto has a chance to win them all, but he also has a strong chance of losing them. He barely beat Clottey, he could have beat Pac but as stated in this thread, his corner obviously had no idea what they were doing. Yes, Cotto got a bit overanxious it was apparent in the third but instead of Santiago saying he only has a left he should have told Cotto to CHILL the FAWK OUT, and don't try to KO him. Instead he did the opposite and while Cotto may have needed his ego fed after the Marg loss, he didn't need it in this fight. He needed to be tactical like he was in the first and in the Mosley fight. They pressured Manny far too early, and tried to make Cotto feel good about himself. There's nothing wrong with that, a fighter needs to hear it, but there is a time and place for it and just because you win a round doesn't mean you're in total control of the fight. I agree with this. I don't believe it when some say Cotto had no chance at all no matter what he did. That's just plain wrong and you'd have to be a hardcore Manny fan to say such a thing. That in itself would take credit away from Pacquiao's victory, implying that Manny fought a guy he was 100% sure couldn't beat him. Not true. I give Manny full credit because Cotto had a real chance at winning, instead he blew it completely.

to "watch out for Manny's left, that's all he has "..or atleast that's what the interpreter says he said. Did Joe not watch the Manny/Dela fight where Oscar's left eye was almost completely shut from Manny's right hand? Did he not watch the Hatton fight where Manny hurt and dropped Ricky in the first round with a right hand? Cotto end's up getting dropped two rounds later w/a right hand. Freddie was right about Joe being green. Cotto , if he is gonna continue needs a new trainer. I say Papa Trrinidad..if he wants to stay with a PR..or possibly Goosen, Steward.. Remember....they were watching film and studying the 2nd Marquez fight...cuz that's the fight that had Pacquiao hurt by going to the body...."Round 8....there...he doesn't respond well when you go to the body"....yeah....that went well...

You're too stupid to realize you're the one who said his dick is in my mouth before I said anything negative to you. Meh, you're just like pullcounter, impossible to reason with because you're loyalty along with his hate are so blinded by the cum you let dribble into your eyes your fighter can do no wrong. I mean really... in the fights that you posted, even if Mangler picked Cotto to lose to Marg/Pac and Mosley and you picked him to win all those fights his "hating" picks are still a better percentage than yours. GTFOH you f.ucking pussy bitch, you give Cotto fans like myself a bad reputation. name calling are you 10? I never said cotto is not beatable I dont have a problem with you beater if you say you're a fan of cotto and always root against him and pick the other guy to win are you realy a fan? would you call him a p*ssy and a bi**h for running against pacquiao? then say mayweather KO'S cotto though he couldn't Ko Marquez, would a fan say that? mangler did/does those are few examples check this thread again im not the only person calling him a hater If Im a fan of someone i pick that person when i know he can win and root for him not against .mangler and sam are having a hard time understanding/comprehending that i dont root against him every single time,says mangler- liar if im a fan of obama's works do you think i go around calling him a lethargic no good for nothing president? and saying he suck etc

aww are you on you're period that you resort to name calling? Mangler 99.9% picks against cotto,claims he's a fan and this is not the 1st thread fyi where he's bashed cotto cotto is not elite with whatever trainer etc cotto will get blasted and sparked if pac makes it psat 6 clottey will beat cotto,maywetaher ko' cotto mosley beats cotto,i knew margarito would ko cotto etc please respond when you've grown up he's not a cotto fan e's also called cotto a pu**y for runnig against a smaller man get his d**** out you're mouth You're too stupid to realize you're the one who said his dick is in my mouth before I said anything negative to you. Meh, you're just like pullcounter, impossible to reason with because you're loyalty along with his hate are so blinded by the cum you let dribble into your eyes your fighter can do no wrong. I mean really... in the fights that you posted, even if Mangler picked Cotto to lose to Marg/Pac and Mosley and you picked him to win all those fights his "hating" picks are still a better percentage than yours. GTFOH you f.ucking pussy bitch, you give Cotto fans like myself a bad reputation.

You're a total dumbass. I'm just as big of a Cotto fan as you are, but I'm not blinded by something that isn't there about him. He's not invincible and just like every fighter he has flaws. I'm not riding his dick either, but you're too stupid to realize that I'm just disagreeing with you because you're being a dumbass. Its posters like you that Pullcounters sig were made for making stupid comments or thinking Cotto is unstoppable. Manny is my second favorite fighter behind Cotto and guess what, I picked him to lose to DLH and Cotto, AND against Marquez I had both fights a draw. You CAN be a huge fan of a fighter but the difference as Mangler stated between a fan and dick sucker is exactly what you are doing now. You're calling the guy a hater, not because he doesn't like Cotto, but because he thinks the other guy will win. How many people are Gatti fans here because of his heart and the great fights he put on? But how many people really picked him to beat Mayweather? I mean I KNEW Mayweather was going to eat his ass up, but I wanted Gatti to win more than anything because I hate Floyd that much. Its not hating or biased its called having a BRAIN you jackass. aww are you on you're period that you resort to name calling? Mangler 99.9% picks against cotto,claims he's a fan and this is not the 1st thread fyi where he's bashed cotto cotto is not elite with whatever trainer etc cotto will get blasted and sparked if pac makes it psat 6 clottey will beat cotto,maywetaher ko' cotto mosley beats cotto,i knew margarito would ko cotto etc please respond when you've grown up he's not a cotto fan e's also called cotto a pu**y for runnig against a smaller man get his d**** out you're mouth

my other point is he's not a fan then how can you say you're a fan of a fighter but always pick the other guy to win 99.9% of the time? he says hes a cotto fan but he picks him to lose those were just few examples please let go of manglers D**** You're a total dumbass. I'm just as big of a Cotto fan as you are, but I'm not blinded by something that isn't there about him. He's not invincible and just like every fighter he has flaws. I'm not riding his dick either, but you're too stupid to realize that I'm just disagreeing with you because you're being a dumbass. Its posters like you that Pullcounters sig were made for making stupid comments or thinking Cotto is unstoppable. Manny is my second favorite fighter behind Cotto and guess what, I picked him to lose to DLH and Cotto, AND against Marquez I had both fights a draw. You CAN be a huge fan of a fighter but the difference as Mangler stated between a fan and dick sucker is exactly what you are doing now. You're calling the guy a hater, not because he doesn't like Cotto, but because he thinks the other guy will win. How many people are Gatti fans here because of his heart and the great fights he put on? But how many people really picked him to beat Mayweather? I mean I KNEW Mayweather was going to eat his ass up, but I wanted Gatti to win more than anything because I hate Floyd that much. Its not hating or biased its called having a BRAIN you jackass.

just because you pick one guy to win doesn't mean you necessarily want that person to win. for instance... I'm picking kessler to win because he's the favorite and rightfully so, but I want ward to win because the US fighters have all lost, we need one to represent. but always mangler says what if he likes both fighters well then he must like everyone cotto faces cause he always picks the other guy to win 99.9% of the time if the yankees play the mets and win they go to the world series if the lose they go home lets say im a huge yankees fan do you think im going to root for the mets even though i like the yankees and yanks are one of my favs

Mangler is not a hater... out of all those fights you stated, Cotto has a chance to win them all, but he also has a strong chance of losing them. He barely beat Clottey, he could have beat Pac but as stated in this thread, his corner obviously had no idea what they were doing. Yes, Cotto got a bit overanxious it was apparent in the third but instead of Santiago saying he only has a left he should have told Cotto to CHILL the FAWK OUT, and don't try to KO him. Instead he did the opposite and while Cotto may have needed his ego fed after the Marg loss, he didn't need it in this fight. He needed to be tactical like he was in the first and in the Mosley fight. They pressured Manny far too early, and tried to make Cotto feel good about himself. There's nothing wrong with that, a fighter needs to hear it, but there is a time and place for it and just because you win a round doesn't mean you're in total control of the fight. Also all of Manglers predictions were pretty spot on except for the Mayweather/Cotto fight as they've never met. A lot of people feel Clottey won, and I can see him winning by a point, really either guy could only have won by a point IMO. Marg, plaster or not he still beat Cotto and its never going to come off the record books. And Pac... we all know what happened there, Roach was spot on when he said Cotto was training himself and just had a yes man in the corner. Hopefully Cotto realizes that while he does HATE working with his uncle, and he probably wants to beat the shit out of him, if he wants to remain in the elite level of the WW division or boxing in general, he needs his uncle in that corner or someone who isn't just there to feed his ego. Because having his uncle in that corner Cotto was a better fighter. my other point is he's not a fan then how can you say you're a fan of a fighter but always pick the other guy to win 99.9% of the time? he says hes a cotto fan but he picks him to lose those were just few examples please let go of manglers D****

just because you pick one guy to win doesn't mean you necessarily want that person to win. for instance... I'm picking kessler to win because he's the favorite and rightfully so, but I want ward to win because the US fighters have all lost, we need one to represent.