absolutely out of this world
REGGIE JOHNSON(39-5-1) by total and utter domination, johnson down in rounds 1 & 3
EVERY(with the exception of the roy jones fight) reggie johnson loss is disputable, he mostly loss only by split decision and i gave him the james toney fight.
HE BEAT:
Steve Collins who in his own right is a damn good boxer, victories over, chris eubank x2 and nigel benn x2.
Lamar Parks, a damn good boxer, no real names because the man never really got kick off his career when he was forced to retire after testing positive for HIV, only loss came by the hands of reggie johnson
AFTER JONES
Julio Cesar Gonzalez who has wins over Montell Griffin, Dariusz Michalczweski and Glen Johnson
MIKE MCCALLUM(49-3-1) by yet another complete and utter dominating performance by roy jones(some people like to act like it was closer, but mccallum was seriously not landing anything) gave james toney a draw, majority decisions and unanimous in highly skillfull and eventful fights, and most say he won the 3rd fight against toney which was AFTER JONES(just to give jones a bit more credit for beating him soundly, because this guy even at 39 was no pushover)
HE BEAT:
Ayub Kalule, hey...he beat Sumbu Kalambay
Julian Jackson the ko artist with victories over the likes of Terry Norris
Sumbu Kalambay who has defeated steve collins
Steve Collins who has defeated nigel benn and chris eubank x2
VIRGIL HILL(43-2) by KO, bodyshot that broke Hills rib(6'' 176 pound man)
BEAT:
Farice Tiozzo x2 which is a damn good win considering the guy has victories over mccallum and michalczweski
Richard Hall(24-1), probabley roy jones best performance in terms of showing style and power, no big names, but an honarable mention for this iron chinned fighter with a huge heart, after taking a decisive and thorough beating from roy jones he goes on to pretty much school dariusz michalczweski not only once, but twice, unfortunantely the fight was stopped due to a huge swelling on halls eye
CLINTON WOODS(32-1) stopped in round 6.
BEAT:
Glen Johnson a very tough fighter who beat antonio tarver, eric harding, roy jones and clinton woods himself, has had many disputable losses
Julio Cesra Gonzalez x2 who beat dariusz michalczweski, montell griffin and glen johnson
JOHN RUIZ(38-4-1) beat thoroughly by roy jones, was shook and completely outclassed by jones despite most of his losses being split decisions. Possibly roy jones most underrated win
BEAT:
Evander Holyfield who has victories over mike tyson x2, buster douglas, george foreman, larry holmes, riddick bowe, michael moorer and hashim rahman
Kirk Johnson took his zero
Hashim Rahman who beat monte barret, alfred cole, corrie sanders and lennox lewis
Andrew Golota(if people are giving tomasz adamek for beating on his fossil ruiz must get more love for this win)
NOTE: many believe to have beat nikolai valuev
JORGE FERNANDO CASTRO(70-3-2) by decisions, first guy to last the distance against the hard punching middleweight roy jones jnr. was beat soundly
BEAT:
Reggie Johnson x2 who has beat Julio Cesar Gonzalez, Lamar Parks and Steve Collins
John David Jackson x2 with a win over reggie johnson
Roberto Duran with a win over sugar ray leonard, nuff said
VINNY PAZIENZA(40-5), he may have been blown up, but no-one else put a beating on him quit like roy jones did, mixing power, speed, utilizing the jab and just completely befuttiling pazienza and hitting the never quite mobile pazmanian devil at will
BEAT(at 168):
Roberto Duran x2 with a win over sugar ray leonard
Dana Rosenblatt who beat terry norris
THOMAS TATE(29-2) who gave julian jackson all he could handle, known for having a solid chin, was completely startched by roy jones in round 2
BEAT:
Merqui Sosa who gave everyone a hard time, lost by SD to James Toney, beat glenn thomas, glen johnson and segunda mercado
Omar Shieka who beat glen johnson
BERNARD HOPKINS(22-1)...........only decisely beaten by one man(roy jones jnr)
BEAT:
Kelly Pavlik
Antonio Tarver
John David Jackson
Felix Trinidad
Oscar De La Hoya
Ronald Wright
Glen Johnson
THULANI MALINGA(35-8), roy jones was the first to pop his iron chin, and from there it was solid, no longer iron
BEAT:
Nigel Benn who beat gerald mcclellan
Robin Reid who musta beat some people, but i dunno who, apperently he's a good win
JAMES TONEY(44-0) toney did'nt win a round i think... :)
Merqui Sosa
Mike Mccallum x2
Michael Nunn
Iran Barkley
Reggie Johnson
Glen Thomas
Tim Littles
Vassiliy Jirov
Evander Holyfield
Jones normally weighed in for lhw fights around 180 lbs, for Tarver I he was 185, for Tarver II he was back down to 180 lbs again.
Good point with the Pavlik fight, Kellys days at mw are over thats for sure
Which supports the theory that something was wrong during the first fight. He may have made the weight better the second time around because his body become a bit more used to the weight class again, but it was just too late for his legs and a lot of his athleticism. You can't just get that back after you've lost it. And even if he could have, age came and destroyed that possibility after a few more fights.
Jones himself has said that his walking around weight in between fights is 190 lbs. On the other hand Eubank lost about 8 lbs of muscle in 11 days to fight Calzaghe. The problem I have with the weight loss is the way his punch resistance just disappeared, which leads me to believe thatere more to that story than just muscle loss
But that's the thing. Some Welterweights walk around at more than 160, but if you put them in the ring with a Middleweight, they'll get knocked out. Walking around weight and weight classes cannot be confused. Yes Roy did have a lot of weight to cut, but he was a natural Middleweight/Light Heavyweight for sure. So when he put on all of that muscle to fight at Heavyweight, it destroyed the possibility of making 175 effectively anymore, regardless of what he walked around at. It wasn't as bad as what Eubanks had to deal with, but both had a very negative effect.
He looked much better during the second fight, it was in round one and two that you could see Tarver trying to time him with the left hook. Harding also gave him fits as well, Jones never really had much of a defence against a southpaws left hook
I agree that he does struggle with southpaws a lot, but his horrible legs and chin really gave out in that fight. He never got them back after the first fight. I really think the weight struggling contributed to that.
When he weighed in for this fight with Ruiz he was wearing a jumper, trainers and tracksuit bottoms. He must of been 190 max, come fight night against Tarver he was back up to 185 lbs. Thats 5 lbs in 3 months or so. As I said before about Toney its the fighters responsibility to get into shape, you can only fight whose in the ring with you. Toney has been complaining for years that he was drained against Jones, but its a moot point even if he was drained or not.
Either way they would of been good fights
acctually the clothes were to hide how big his body really was. he cut weight to make ruiz think he was smaller than he really was and didnt want show of his body until right before the fight. there is footage of him talking about it in a documentary including him weighing himself at like 203. he was +200lbs thats for sure.
it is a fighters responsibility to get in shape, but fighters are rarely drained bcuz they didnt work hard enough. if anything they work too hard trying to make weight and have nothing left for the acctual fight, in roys case he just underestimated how hard it would be to cut weight and didnt give himself enough time.
that said he fought tarver 3 times and the first one he did best, i dont think its just about being drained its about getting old too. roy was wore down from a long time of fighting and the cut became too much, after the johnson KO there was no turning back.
prime roy is about as near to unbeatable as you can get.
with that said, people need to stop making so many excuses for his losses. roy isn't the only fighter who ever fought at 34 and he isn't the only fighter who's had to cut weight for a fight.
When he weighed in for this fight with Ruiz he was wearing a jumper, trainers and tracksuit bottoms. He must of been 190 max, come fight night against Tarver he was back up to 185 lbs. Thats 5 lbs in 3 months or so. As I said before about Toney its the fighters responsibility to get into shape, you can only fight whose in the ring with you. Toney has been complaining for years that he was drained against Jones, but its a moot point even if he was drained or not.
He weighed in at 193 for Ruiz, and hydrated to around 200. For the Tarver fight he weighed in at like 174 or 175. So he must have been cutting like 25lbs for the fight. The fact that he hydrated back to 185 only supports that theory (when you hydrate to a very high weight, it means your body cannot handle it as well. Just look at Kelly Pavlik for example).
Remember, your walking around/rehydrated weight and your weigh in weight are two different things. Just because he rehydrated to 185 doesn't mean he didn't have to cut 25+lbs to make weight again. If it were that easy then anybody would be able to fight two weight classes lower than they usually do. There's no way losing that much weight in a few months didn't mess up his body. Its impossible. Just look at the the points where he actually dominated Tarver:
CLEARLY not the same RJJ. He looks horrible. His reflexes were gone, and his legs were shaky. He was forced to fight a game he wasn't used to because of this (attacking Tarver). Yes it worked in that one fight, but it was only a matter of time before somebody caught him. Sadly it happened in the next fight.
I'm not saying its Tarver's fault it happened. I don't blame him at all. But that doesn't change the fact that it clearly wasn't the same RJJ.
Look at how horrible RJJ looked, even when dominating Tarver:
CLEARLY not a prime RJJ. His reflexes were gone so he was forced to fight a fight he was not used to. Even though he won, it was only a matter of time before he got caught.
Jones had the most athletic ability of any fighter ever, but not the most skill. It's not that amazing - having fundamentals to fall back on and adjust when your legs go (Ali, Hopkins) is more praiseworthy.
lol at the idiots who think moving from 175 to 193, and then back to 175 didn't affect Roy's body and chin. Just look at him during Tarver I. He looked worse than Mosley did against Mayorga...It had nothing to do with how good Tarver was. The weight severely effected his reflexes and his legs. It didn't take much to take him out under those circumstances. And on top of that, age made him look even worse than that as the years went on.
I wish the top fighters at 168 like Eubanks and Calzaghe had came to America back when he was dominating. I'm positive he would have dominated them.
Jones would've definitely beat Chris Eubank and Nigel Benn IMO and I would've picked him against Gerald McClellan too but that would've been his toughes fight. Gerald was a beast and I believe he beat Jones something like 3 or 4 times in the amateurs..
I don't really knock Roy too much for his KO losses, because sometimes that happens and he has shown that he basically became shot after the Ruiz fight. Kind of how Hatton after the Mayweather fight wasn't the same, looked impressive against Malignaggi just like Jones did vs Lacy.
The main criticism I have for Roy is that he should never have fought Glen Johnson so soon after being KO'd and he has gone on too long, but when its all said and done we kinda discard losses fighters like Ali had late in their career and I think the same will happen with Roy. Prime Roy was an absolute FORCE!
It's impressive how good you can look against sub par opposition. RJ has some good/great wins, but there's too many fighters Roy failed to fight.
You're using triangle theories which we all know work 100% of the time:nonono:.
so it's a triangle theory that reggie johnson has never had a clear cut loss(dominated) even AFTER he faced jones except for when he lost to jones himself?
is it a triangle theory to say mike mccallum gave everyone trouble and arguably won his fight against james toney AFTER facing roy jones where as when he faced jones he was thoroughly dominated?
It's impressive how good you can look against sub par opposition. RJ has some good/great wins, but there's too many fighters Roy failed to fight.
You're using triangle theories which we all know work 100% of the time:nonono:.
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