Can anybody think of another example where a fighter attempted less than 150 punches in a 12 round fight and still won?
This should be a fun challenge, anyone who can find an example confirmed by some kind of authentic punch count # will win 25K boxingscene points from the Hitman.
Haye threw 143 against Valuev based on the totals I have seen, That's an average of under 12 attempted punches per round.
Someone find an example that beats it........
some say haye ran, which is ignorant. you really should understand the diffrence from running and moving before you call yourself a boxing fan. the low punch stats are valuevs fault. he has a history of slow and boring fights. haye doesnt. haye was within punching range for valuev most of the time, valuev was scared to let it go.
Valuev threw 390 punches to Haye's 146, how is the slow fight his fault?
You state that Haye was within range the whole time (LMAO btw) so if that was the case why didn't he take advantage of any of the more than 300 chances he had to counter Valuev's misses?
Still nobody has come even close to Haye's pathetic total....
C'mon people!!
Let's go people..........
I thought we had some real life boxing historians in here........
I am upping the prize to 100,000 Boxingscene points to anyone who can confirm an example of a fighter throwing less punches in a 12 round decision victory than David Haye did.
You can start by giving me the 50K you owe me.
Let's go people..........
I thought we had some real life boxing historians in here........
I am upping the prize to 100,000 Boxingscene points to anyone who can confirm an example of a fighter throwing less punches in a 12 round decision victory than David Haye did.
The first one that came to mind was Norwood outpointing JMM. Just looked it up though and Norwood actually threw 290.
So far this is the closest to Haye's 146 attempts.
And it is double what Haye threw.
It really cracks me up reading through this thread that people actually think David Haye was justified in completely avoiding a Heavyweight who couldn't even knock out the same Jean Francois Bergeron who was then stopped easily by Dominic Guinn.
well see he's supposed to take the title from the champ
those kind of stats dont show he did that ..
he barely squeaked a decision ... to take the title
it should be a major victory ... he basically did a tommy morrison
(vs foreman)
he did clearly take the title. this is professional boxing, not only punches score points. there are 4 criterias.
clean effective punching - in favor of haye
effective aggression - valuev was coming forward but not really throwing, even if you count that as aggression he didnt land shit so he wasnt effective.
defense - haye made him look foolish like he said he would, making him miss easily. scored alot with his ability to make valuev miss.
ring generalship - haye all the way, rarely touched the ropes and when he did got away cleanly. he was the boss in there every round.
some say haye ran, which is ignorant. you really should understand the diffrence from running and moving before you call yourself a boxing fan. the low punch stats are valuevs fault. he has a history of slow and boring fights. haye doesnt. haye was within punching range for valuev most of the time, valuev was scared to let it go. haye was picking up rounds anyways and it was a wise move not to get overaggressive againt the giant and give him a chance to land a lucky punch.
yeah if you land 53 % more punches then you deserve to win. its not like valuev landed 20 punhes a round and haye landed 23
And he did hurt him in the end so... I mean what else do you need to do to win?
haye fought to 'survive'. he didnt win nothing
for all we know maybe valuevs camp set it up so they
can have an easy rematch and payday ...
haye didnt win nothing .. they both just walked around for 12 rounds
So what does it take to win a fight in your opinion? I thought landing more than your opponent, getting the nod and walking away the HW champion would be a sign of victory, forgive me my ignorance.
Idiots tend to say "Haye ran" but can you really blame him? Was he supposed to stand and trade with someone 100 pounds heavier than him? And the same people who cry about Haye getting on his bike and boxing a 100 pounds heavier cry about a couple pounds in the lower weight divisions... :greddy2:
I thought Haye edged it but his workrate was really awful especially in the middle rounds.
yeah i agree with you the last round won it for Haye imo, he should have thrown even just a few more jabs to the body and it would been a clear victory.
The best example I could think of off hand was Jermain Taylor versus Cory Spinks.
The crowd booed the crap out of what was universally labeled as a snoozer.
Taylor attemped 309 punches, more than double Haye's output.
Seriously though, opinions aside, can anyone think of a fight that went the distance with the victor being very inactive just for comparison?
We're talking about the possibility of this being an ALL TIME RECORD. We should be giving this a little more attention. It's not everyday a fighter makes history.
Froch threw more, but landed less in his "victory" against Dirrell.
exactly... how did haye beat valuev and dirrell lose to froch. only explanation is that dirrell got robbed in nottingham.
Shannon Briggs has thrown fewer punches in his entire career than Haye threw in that fight. Unless asthmatically stairing at your opponent while wearing a pinapple on your head counts as punching.
Shannon Briggs hasn't won a 12 round decision over anyone aside from Foreman.
That's actually a perfect example of how badly Haye fought as Briggs threw a great many more punches (and landed more) at a much more dangerous George Foreman in that fight and won a decision that left a lot of people pissed off.
Shannon Briggs probably has more KOs than the number of Haye punches in that fight.
Briggs has 42 knockouts, Haye landed about 100 punches or so. :loser:
.....It was the most pathetic and lame attempt to win a heavyweight title ever. Running from a feather fisted Valuev for 12 rounds is classic. And Easy-E, you are the biggest pro everything black wigger in the history of Boxingscene. I seriously doubt you're actually white. You can't be.