Simple Question... Who hits harder? Manny or Miguel?

OK, let me ask you all this... If you were blindfolded with your hands tied behind your back... and you had to pick between Miguel or Manny to have ONE free shot to your chin... Who would you pick? ...........anyone?

OK, let me ask you all this... If you were blindfolded with your hands tied behind your back... and you had to pick between Miguel or Manny to have ONE free shot to your chin... Who would you pick?

Obviously, but I'm going to put my money on Cotto punching harder--he maybe less effective but he punches harder. You can alway use the f=ma argument but that can only go so far--the difference in hand speed cannot compensate for the mass being applied. Cotto's hand speed is not that slow. I'll respect that.

Nah, I'm saying that I DON'T KNOW and can't make a conclusion based on the way they like to throw their power shots. One's fully loaded up punch could be more powerful than the other, but both can bang for sho! Obviously, but I'm going to put my money on Cotto punching harder--he maybe less effective but he punches harder. You can alway use the f=ma argument but that can only go so far--the difference in hand speed cannot compensate for the mass being applied. Cotto's hand speed is not that slow.

So, you mean to tell me Cotto's fully leveraged shots are less powerful than Manny's leveraged shots? ARe you serious? Nah, I'm saying that I DON'T KNOW and can't make a conclusion based on the way they like to throw their power shots. One's fully loaded up punch could be more powerful than the other, but both can bang for sho!

Funny but that's a good point. If they can get some eggheads to measure their FULLY LEVERAGED AND LOADED POWER SHOTS on a target, that would be more conclusive than watching a video. So, you mean to tell me Cotto's fully leveraged shots are less powerful than Manny's leveraged shots? ARe you serious?

I mean, p4p, Cotto is the heavier puncher. Pacquiao might be more effective but Cotto is the heavier puncher...you don't need to factor in the chin. There is punching machines you can use to measure power. Edit: I'm just saying, there is a reason why Pacquiao for the first round was so cautious with Oscar delahoya. LOL! You asked if they were to hit each other, so you have to factor their chins as well... hehe. If the other has an eggshell beard, than a lesser punch could drop him, right?

I think they need to do the "Rocky 4" thing - lol. When Drago was punching that machine which registered how hard he hits.. Funny but that's a good point. If they can get some eggheads to measure their FULLY LEVERAGED AND LOADED POWER SHOTS on a target, that would be more conclusive than watching a video.

There's no doubt that Pac is more effective, but he doesn't load up like Miguel does. So I think you assume too much saying he's a lesser puncher when we seldom see him throw the way Miguel does... lol. I'm sure both can KTFO each other if allowed a single unopposed punch...hahaha! Come on... but CHIN would also have to be factored in. I mean, p4p, Cotto is the heavier puncher. Pacquiao might be more effective but Cotto is the heavier puncher...you don't need to factor in the chin. There is punching machines you can use to measure power. Edit: I'm just saying, there is a reason why Pacquiao for the first round was so cautious with Oscar delahoya.

I think they need to do the "Rocky 4" thing - lol. When Drago was punching that machine which registered how hard he hits..

Even factoring styles--Cotto is the heavier puncher. That' plan to see. Again, If I asked both these figher to punch each other in the face as hard as they could--who do you think would get KO'd faster? However it the styles that determine whether which one is more effective. Cotto is more conventional and less effective with his power on the other hand Pacquiao is more effective with his power because his opponents think that his off balance shots have no power which they find out is wrong. There's no doubt that Pac is more effective, but he doesn't load up like Miguel does. So I think you assume too much saying he's a lesser puncher when we seldom see him throw the way Miguel does... lol. I'm sure both can KTFO each other if allowed a single unopposed punch...hahaha! Come on... but CHIN would also have to be factored in.

Nah... I didn't say he NEEDS angles to hurt an opponent, I'm saying that's just his style and the way he fights and hurts his opponents, which is different from the way Miguel does it, because Miguel really loads up his shots. When throwing those blindingly fast combos at odd angles, he sacrifices some leverage for speed. Less leverage = less power. If he had a slightly slower rate of fire, then he can leverage his punches properly to generate more power. The odd angles also eat at the power somewhat. That's what I'm saying, too . Pacquiao's style makes use of his power effectively because his opponents thinks his angle shots have no power in them as Shawn Porter suggested which they obviously do therefore not in the position to defend--so they get the full effect of Manny's punches. Cotto is more conventional and you're able to withstand his power because you can anticipate them...but in the end RAW power--Cotto is the harder puncher.

YOu just answered it for me in a way. The fact Pacquiao needs angles to hurt the guy as oppose to straight KOing the guy regardless tells me Cotto has more power than Pacquiao.... again here is my explanation: Nah... I didn't say he NEEDS angles to hurt an opponent, I'm saying that's just his style and the way he fights and hurts his opponents, which is different from the way Miguel does it, because Miguel really loads up his shots. When throwing those blindingly fast combos at odd angles, he sacrifices some leverage for speed. Less leverage = less power. If he had a slightly slower rate of fire, then he can leverage his punches properly to generate more power. The odd angles also eat at the power somewhat.

What I'm saying is that because of the way he flurries (speedy, multiple odd angled, less leveraged punches) he won't generate as much ooomph as Cotto does because he doesn't fight like Cotto so you'd seldom see him do a Cotto number (slightly slower, multiple, conventional and well leveraged bombs) on an opponent to really conclude that he is less of a puncher. I factor in the difference their boxing styles and the way they like to get their punches off. I'll leave it at that...lol. Even factoring styles--Cotto is the heavier puncher. That' plan to see. Again, If I asked both these figher to punch each other in the face as hard as they could--who do you think would get KO'd faster? However it the styles that determine whether which one is more effective. Cotto is more conventional and less effective with his power on the other hand Pacquiao is more effective with his power because his opponents think that his off balance shots have no power which they find out is wrong.

Pac's straight left is plenty powerful though and he tagged Cotto with it a few times (on the 9th, he should have gone down again but he bounced off the ropes and clinched). Do note, he's using both hands now compared to before (just used his straight left hand to bring down guys), because of this - I don't think he has as much leverage as in what we've seen in the past. If you look at the replay, that straight left definitely looked like it hurt as Cotto was on queer street again when it connected. It's been noted that Pac's right hand was pretty swollen after the fight (his left hand looks fine from the interview vids). Must have connected with a lot of right hooks, just imagine if he didn't show mercy and used his left bombs more.

I really doubt it, he just doesn't strike me as being a bigger puncher than Cotto, even if he loaded up. What I'm saying is that because of the way he flurries (speedy, multiple odd angled, less leveraged punches) he won't generate as much ooomph as Cotto does because he doesn't fight like Cotto so you'd seldom see him do a Cotto number (slightly slower, multiple, conventional and well leveraged bombs) on an opponent to really conclude that he is less of a puncher. I factor in the difference their boxing styles and the way they like to get their punches off. I'll leave it at that...lol.

But aren't a high majority of KD's and KO's like that? As they say "it's the punches that you don't see that hurt you." It's RARE that you get KO'ed by punches that you see coming at you even if you have a split second to brace for impact. I don't think Cotto has that kind of power. He is more likely to pile on the damage and weakening his opponent before delivering the coup de grâce. That's why it's hard to conclude that he's the harder puncher of the 2. YOu just answered it for me in a way. The fact Pacquiao needs angles to hurt the guy as oppose to straight KOing the guy regardless tells me Cotto has more power than Pacquiao.... again here is my explanation: Think of this analogy. Imagine a quarterback diving sidewards to throw a football and a receiver about ready to grab it. Instead of a ball with little heat behind it---you get a bullet coming at you. your'e shocked and less able to manage it. pacquiao punches are exatly the same thing. That's what Shawn Porter mentioned--he doesn't actually expect the punches to hurt when Pacquiao punches at a certain angle--he expects them to be just like a tap--so he's less able to defend against them with proper positioning therefore you get the full effect.

I think Pac is able to pile the damage with punches his opponents can see as well. Not all his punches remain unchecked so I think you're kind of underrating those punches that they do see, IMO. Cotto loads up and tries to get better leverage with his shots while Pac combines speed with power sacrificing a little leverage, but you can bet that if he loads up like Cotto does he can be as devastating when those land, but he just doesn't punch that way with his combinations. I really doubt it, he just doesn't strike me as being a bigger puncher than Cotto, even if he loaded up.

Put it this way, if opponents saw Pacquiao's shots coming, he'd be much less devastating. Opponents can see Cotto's shots coming and still get hurt. Cotto is the naturally harder puncher, Pacquiao relies more on speed, angles and explosiveness, not to say he isn't heavy handed, because he is but not as heavy handed as Cotto. I think Pac is able to pile the damage with punches his opponents can see as well. Not all his punches remain unchecked so I think you're kind of underrating those punches that they do see, IMO. Cotto loads up and tries to get better leverage with his shots while Pac combines speed with power sacrificing a little leverage, but you can bet that if he loads up like Cotto does he can be as devastating when those land, but he just doesn't punch that way with his combinations.

You still didn't get what Porter had said, they all can see Pac's punches from diffrerent angles but they never expected it would still be as hard as a normal angled punch thus the stunned look on his opponents eyes. Most of Pac's punches that got pop is from those weird angles and it's only Pac who can do that even if they try and copy his moves, best they can manage is like patting a child in the head. It's not about not seeing those punches as they can see it but avoiding and ducking away is the problem (in the case of Pac) and those punches that they think doesn't hurt and take for granted not to avoid is the one that definitely staggers them. Well he'd know better than I do.